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17 Jun 2014, 11:52 am

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When I, a conservative, see a person struggling and down and out. My heart bleeds. My heart thinks about all the bad things that they must have faced to put them in that situation. How was their upbringing, where were their role models? They did not have things as lucky as I did when I came into this world.


I want to tell them they are special, that they are worthy, that they can do great things! I want to show them an example. I want to support them if they decide to take some steps forward. I want to show them discipline, show them perserverence, show them responsibility, show them the value of doing the right thing.

I want so much for this special creation of God to fulfill their greatest purpose. I look at them as my equal.


When a lib sees the same person, they see a victim. And they blame people like me for putting them there. They feel good if they can just give them crumbs to keep them surviving (better if they are my crumbs). They feel justified in forceing me to subsidize the existence of the victim that's in front of them because they can't better themselves.

They look at themselves as superior to both me (because they "care" more) and the victim (because, well they are clearly superior to the victim)

These are the differences I see. Tell me where I am wrong?

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Posted by Independent
17 Jun 2014, 1:35 pm

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Of course, there are many exceptions to the rule.

Thanks all. I was over there on (not to be named) with just a bunch of crazies and someone mentioned this site. And I looked, and all the cool and smart people I liked were here.

Wish I knew sooner. Maybe I did, but when I got the original invite no one was here. Then I guess I forgot.

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17 Jun 2014, 1:40 pm

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nuckin futz » 17 Jun 2014 1:32 pm wrote:

Yeah, well, go visit the food pantries and shelters that serve the homeless.

They are manned by bleeding heart liberals and their humanistic churches, nary a Gopper there.

The Goppers just pay lip service, and donate to charities mainly for the tax writeoff.

Nice script though! Where did you copy that from?



Nuckin, I wrote my response about exceptions before your post.

I'm going to attempt to be civil, because I didn't like how things degenerated at the other site.

Most of my ilk have little time to give and make up for it by giving money, or helping/mentoring someone they meet on a one on one basis. They are able to give more time when they retire.

But, I think I just wanted to discuss the difference philosophically. To provide sustenance is a good and noble thing. To empower someone to an independent and joyful life is even more powerful.

Both are needed. Thanks for doing the grunt work. Hopefully, you are helping those get out of their situation, not merely perpetuating it.

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17 Jun 2014, 1:57 pm

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I admit my OP was purposely provacative and even a little antagonistic. I'm still in the fight mode. I will calm down with more rational people now.

AL, as I recall we share a similar philosophy.

I have said before, solutions are a lot easier for these things than they seem.

I don't have time to get into it now.

But I would love to see a system that provides training and education to empower them mentally, emotionally and skills wise. No money without work through your issues, and working toward a future.

And I'd like to see it become partially self funded with those who have escaped giving a percentage back into perpetuity to help the next guy struggling.

Oh, and it need to be "for profit" not government since that is the only way it will work efficiently and successfully.

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17 Jun 2014, 2:08 pm

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NeoConvict » 17 Jun 2014 2:03 pm wrote:


The only ones that will disagree with those people needing a hand up rather than a hand out should get the appropriate treatment will be the unreasonable ones here. Those that would oppose any kind of welfare to work or welfare for skills training ideas. I would rather we work on fixing the problems rather than keeping these unfortunate individuals on minimum life support.



Excellent analogy, that's what it is exactly - life support.

I will never forget the day I wandered near Chinatown in Vancouver, and found the block where they hand out free Heroin to addicts. I'm not kidding look it up. It's because they felt providing clean drugs was better than them getting diseases.

Anyway, it was like I was looking at animals in human bodies. I'm sorry, that is no way to live. Honestly, what person would think perpetuating Heroin addiction is the "caring" thing to do? Same people who think paying people for having more babies I guess.

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17 Jun 2014, 2:11 pm

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Annoyed Liberall » 17 Jun 2014 1:42 pm wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/u-s--captures-suspected-ringleader-of-benghazi-attack-160435076.html



Right now he's being told you will say it was the you tube video, or we will take out your family.

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17 Jun 2014, 2:23 pm

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nuckin futz » 17 Jun 2014 2:13 pm wrote:

I wasn't picking on you personally. Its all good what you and family do.

I have put up homeless and battered women and kids in my home, mentored alcoholics and drug addicts, and those with mental problems in the past. I think I helped a lot in a few cases. Jeez, I was homeless for two years myself, so I know what its like. And I know the pain of being rebuked by those I had thought were my friends, and cast aside.

I have also done hard work for the rich, who refused me a glass of water on a hot day, and laughed when I had to drive all the way to town just to use a toilet, and screwed me out of my pay. I have been sued, screwed and tatooed by the rich crooks too many times to have much love for them.

The homeless, on the other hand, would share their last bit of food and wine with you, and make you laugh and tell you wonderfull stories.

In spite of our best efforts, life can hand you some real turds!



Thanks for the glimpse of you. We are all shaped by our experiences. We should not judge people on things we cannot possibly relate to.

You're OK with me. Despite you poor choice in politics. :p

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17 Jun 2014, 2:42 pm

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Sounds great.

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17 Jun 2014, 3:02 pm

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I don't think there's a single program that's been more instrumental in preventing people from becoming wealthy.

So no, I am one of those who do not love social security.

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17 Jun 2014, 3:22 pm

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Reasonable » 16 Jun 2014 10:22 am wrote:
When the economy crashed under Bush in 2007 and 08 many people said they were so glad that Bush failed to privatize SS.
Although many lost a large % of their financial portfolio, they were relieved their SS was safe.
Your conservative meme is to privatize EVERYTHING . The fact you keep failing doesn't make you stop , pause and think does it.


So with that dip, if everyone just kept paying in. Where would they be now?

I will wait for you to do the math.

Until you come back with the right answer that every single one of those people would be way ahead of where they were before 2007, I will share that there is no 20 year period ever where there was not significant growth in the markets.

Which is safer? The market? or an incompetent, lying, and broke governemnt? Hmmmm?

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17 Jun 2014, 3:26 pm

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Annoyed Liberall » 17 Jun 2014 3:13 pm wrote:
The admin didn't screw anything up.

True, very true.

They meant to lie and they meant to cover up and they meant to stonewall the investigation. What did they screw up? Nothing.

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17 Jun 2014, 4:18 pm

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Endoscopy » 17 Jun 2014 4:09 pm wrote:
Here is the liberal fulfilling the post he is ranting about.

He obviously thinks he is superior because he believe his own rant which is obviously wrong. IRS statistics tell us the conservatives and real Christians put their money where their mouth is while liberals do not. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


I think his point is a lib is more likely to volunteer their time or choose a career of service to the poor. I happen to agree there.

My point is the one who helps someone help themselves is much better than the on that just helps. But that's just me.

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23 Jun 2014, 5:21 am

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shintao » 22 Jun 2014 5:14 pm wrote:
Yes, indeed, socialism cares for the people and advances the human condition far faster than Capitalism ever could. It produces less sufferring by spreading the burden around to all involved, rather than causing mankind to suffer for the few. And without socialism, capitalism wouldn't exist, it always fails and always requires social programs to bail it out. There are few here who have never used a social program, I doubt there is one con here that can boast to that fact. Have a nice day Social boys!!! :wave:

LOL!

The comedy on this site is great!

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23 Jun 2014, 7:27 am

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SallyForth » 23 Jun 2014 7:19 am wrote:

So Jindal is advocating the violent overthrow of the government of the United States? I thought that was illegal. But I'm not surprised. Republicans consider violence to be perfectly justified when they can't have their way at the polls. That they call themselves patriots has always rung hollow to me.


Take a vocabulary class. Learn the definition of hostile.

It's great to lean cuz knowledge is power.

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23 Jun 2014, 4:35 pm

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crimsongulf » 23 Jun 2014 4:30 pm wrote:
The link doesn't matter if the guy said it.


LOL

The mind of a lib zombie. Why trust my eyes if my favorite news source didn't tell me it happened?

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25 Jun 2014, 11:12 am

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crimsongulf » 25 Jun 2014 11:00 am wrote:
Lmao, Koskinen came across as a liar and a fool. Gowdy stole his lunch money and kicked his ass.


Poll:76% believe emails were deliberately destroyed.

This includes 63% of even brain dead libs.

http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/KatiePav ... d-n1855482

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25 Jun 2014, 12:09 pm

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It's much easier for them to stand behind their self righteous "I care" stance than to acknowledge reality that they hurt those they propose to help.

How will those Subway employees feel when half of them have their pay go to $0 right way. The other half work the job of two people for $15/hour for a month. Then their wage goes to $0 too as the store closes down.

The libs mistake is they need the host to survive while their parasites slowly drain them. This parasite is a host killer.

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27 Jun 2014, 7:19 am

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PR is often a justifiable business expense.

After 2 years of bad PR concerning their abuse of workers, IKEA may be choosing this to get back in some people's good graces.

Thoughts?

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27 Jun 2014, 7:26 am

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My relentless commitment to truth obligates me to post this. Sorry str8edge!!


Although I will note that this is only the US "retail" workers. Lord knows how they might stick it to the factory workers?



IKEA claims it will not raise prices or cut hiring in order to make this change, rather saying it will give up some of its profit to make the change. IKEA hopes the minimum wage increase will improve employee retention.

http://www.kshb.com/news/national/ikea- ... il-workers

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27 Jun 2014, 11:31 am

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