charles.thompson » 23 Sep 2016 8:23 pm wrote: GeorgeWashington » 23 Sep 2016 8:13 pm wrote: charles.thompson » 23 Sep 2016 7:55 pm wrote:
but a person who is familiar enough with neurology would consider it extremely likely that there is no experience after death. People who have debated with that tend to rely on such things as quantum entanglement and the brain interpreted as a receiver instead of a transmitter. I would say that the idea of life after death is more defensible than a belief in santa clause, but I'm still obviously not expecting to experience anything after death.
Why do you speak on behalf of neurologists?
Are you a neurologist?
How does neurology explain these experiences?But that hypothesis still cannot account for people who report seeing, during their out-of-body experiences, what they could not have. Most commonly that’s an overhead view of their frantic medical teams. Parnia reports a 2001 case, in which a Dutch patient’s dentures were removed during cardiac arrest. When his nurses couldn’t find the dentures later, the patient was able to remind them where they were. Perhaps the most famous corroborated case, cited by Beauregard, is that of a migrant worker named Maria, whose story was documented by her critical care social worker, Kimberly Clark. The day after she had been resuscitated after cardiac arrest, Maria told Clark how she had been able to look down from the ceiling and left the OR. She found herself outside the hospital and spotted a tennis shoe on the ledge of the north side of the building’s third floor. She described it in detail. Maria, not surprisingly, wanted to know whether she had “really” seen the shoe, and asked Clark to go look.
Quite skeptical, Clark went where Maria sent her, and found the tennis shoe, just as she’d described it. “The only way she could have had such a perspective,” said Clark, “was if she had been floating right outside and at very close range to the tennis shoe.” It shouldn’t have been possible, as both Beauregard and Parnia point out. “The question becomes,” Parnia says, “how can people have conscious awareness when they’ve gone beyond the threshold of death?”
The scientific method requires such reports to be dismissed because...as has been shown on plenty of individual cases...the observations of the doctors were inaccurate because of their own bias (there is no objective measure to confirm their story)...and the phenomena is not reproducible.
Neurology suggests that the mind is almsot certainly a product of the brain because damage to the brain also damages the mind. In fact, it can be specific to the region of the brain that controls various processes that damage the same process in the mind. For example cannon pointers mind as expressed here suggests that he may have damage to his brochas area of the brain and regions that control abstract reasoning. Does t5hat mean his soul is also damaged? or is part of his soul also missing and will be reunited with him after death? Its difficult and awkward to consider such things
And therein lies the bare reason for your faith, I suspect. Considering abstracts, pondering possibilities are only difficult and awkward for the close-minded religious. The rest of us do not find it that way at all.
And you are completely wrong in your first statement. The scientific method requires no such dismissal. Some SCIENTISTS, not the scientific method itself, have dismissed NDAs as a dying brain experience based only on what they know about the brain and the behavior of consciousness contained within. Of the former, much is known of its form and function. Of the latter, some is known, but not enough to dismiss NDAs as you suggest.
I'm sorry, but neither you nor the science you parade around here as if you own it get to dismiss the testimony of Maria and others by blathering on about brain function that doesn't explain how a thing that can't logically be seen IS seen while lying prone in a bed or by claiming the medical staff are biased on all occasions and that these events never happened.
That isn't how the scientific method works.