Obamacare: Yes, you can keep your plan unless Republicans stand in the way

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Posted by Regina
  4 15 Jan 2014, 11:23 am

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Staying true to their big-business anti worker philosophy, House Republicans, continuing there attacks on the middle class, have referred to committee a resolution to stop Obama from making the implementation of the Affordable Care Act less of a burden as the kinks are worked out over the next year. Republicans want to stop insurance companies from being able to offer the same overages offered in 2013 - that's your plan, and you can keep it! Republicans are also trying to stop the delay of reporting and other administrative requirements that could cause confusion in clinics and hospitals until the insurance companies have had the time to meet the compliance standards. With any legislation of this size, there will be bumps in the road as is it picks up speed. Give the people a break for once, Republicans!


Whereas because of President Obama’s continuing failure to faithfully execute the laws, his administration’s actions cannot be addressed by the enactment of new laws, because Congress cannot assume that the President will execute the new laws any more faithfully than the laws he has already ignored, leaving Congress with no legislative remedy to prevent the establishment of what is in effect an imperial presidency; and


Whereas it is therefore necessary and appropriate for Congress to turn to the courts to ensure the faithful execution of the laws as required by the Constitution: Now, therefore, be it

The House of Representatives shall bring a civil action in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia for declaratory or injunctive relief to challenge any of the following policies or actions:

(1) The policy of the Department of Health and Human Services that, with respect to health insurance coverage that is renewed for a policy year during the period beginning January 1, 2014, and ending October 1, 2014, health insurance issuers may continue to offer coverage that would otherwise be terminated or cancelled for being out of compliance with various requirements of title XXVII of the Public Health Service Act and corresponding portions of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act and the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as announced by the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services
on November 14, 2013.

(2) The 1-year delay in the application of the reporting requirements of sections 6055 and 6056 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (and related requirements of section 4980H of such Code), as provided under Department of the Treasury Notice 2013–45, as announced by the Department of the Treasury on July 2, 2013.

(3) The policy of the Department of Homeland Security to exercise prosecutorial discretion with respect to individuals who came to the United States as children, as announced by the Department of Homeland Security
on June 15, 2012.

(4) The authorization, approval, renewal, modification, or extension of any experimental, pilot, or demonstration project under section 1115 of the Social Security Act ( 42 U.S.C. 1315 ) that waives compliance with a requirement of section 407 of such Act ( 42 U.S.C. 607 ) through a waiver of section 402 of such Act ( 42 U.S.C. 602 ).

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  1,043 15 Jan 2014, 11:27 am

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Will that plan remain the cost it was before legalizing ACA? Just because you can keep it doesn't mean it stays affordable.

Obama's ideology loves to nudge the crowd into performing as directed by ruling elites vsetting the stages reality becomes after legislation, such as he has become by selling self deception as a virtue of character role playing society's chosen child..
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  9,187 15 Jan 2014, 11:30 am

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No, I think what republicans want is the Executive Branch to follow the Constitution when it come to changing provisions of a bill that has been passed and subsequently signed into law. In order for these changes to take effect the law has to change. The Executive Branch has no authority to unilateraly pass or change laws.
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An example of left wing arrogance:
onlyaladd » 09 Nov 2016 9:37 am wrote:
Notice all the low performing, uneducated states swung this election? Why should those who have failed lead those who succeeded?
Time to go to popular vote. Now you deplorables get to joyfully defend the biggest liar in political history for 4 years.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
Good luck morons, you asked for this.

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  48,016 15 Jan 2014, 11:31 am

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I love the leftist spin from liberals, that the failure of Obamacare is somehow the fault of those who warned you idiots it wasn't going to work, and did everything in their power to stop it from becoming law.

The fact is that Obamacare is responsible for millions of people losing their insurance, and Obama has illegally waived parts of the law that Obama finds inconvenient. Obama's lawless behavior has made the problem WORSE, not better, but in typical liberal fashion, it's not his fault.

BTW, did you know there are multiple lawsuits being fast tracked in the courts regarding the IRS illegally extending the subsidies to people who sign up on the federal website? The law says that subsidies can ONLY be given to people who sign up on a STATE website...
80% of people signing up now on the federal site, are being subsidized... it's going to be hilarious to see the reaction from these people when they are told they have to pay back those subsidies.
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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

Cannonpointer » 15 Oct 2014 10:46 am wrote:
Facts suck when you're a progressive.

Technocrat » 04 Sep 2014 12:15 pm wrote:
British invented English, you know.
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Posted by Regina
  4 15 Jan 2014, 11:42 am

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Huey » 15 Jan 2014 10:30 am wrote:
No, I think what republicans want is the Executive Branch to follow the Constitution when it come to changing provisions of a bill that has been passed and subsequently signed into law. In order for these changes to take effect the law has to change. The Executive Branch has no authority to unilateraly pass or change laws.


What difference does it make? If the Republicans get their way, Obama will have these changes done via regulations, which will cost the tax payers more.
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  2,408 15 Jan 2014, 11:43 am

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That because RETARDED Governors in RED STATES failed to SET UP EXCHANGES

So why don't you go Pissing and MOANING to RED STATE Governors who THOUGHT they could THWART the law ya TWO FACED lying SACK OF SHIT

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golfboy » 15 Jan 2014 10:31 am wrote:
I love the leftist spin from liberals, that the failure of Obamacare is somehow the fault of those who warned you idiots it wasn't going to work, and did everything in their power to stop it from becoming law.

The fact is that Obamacare is responsible for millions of people losing their insurance, and Obama has illegally waived parts of the law that Obama finds inconvenient. Obama's lawless behavior has made the problem WORSE, not better, but in typical liberal fashion, it's not his fault.

BTW, did you know there are multiple lawsuits being fast tracked in the courts regarding the IRS illegally extending the subsidies to people who sign up on the federal website? The law says that subsidies can ONLY be given to people who sign up on a STATE website...
80% of people signing up now on the federal site, are being subsidized... it's going to be hilarious to see the reaction from these people when they are told they have to pay back those subsidies.
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Regina » 15 Jan 2014 10:42 am wrote:

What difference does it make? If the Republicans get their way, Obama will have these changes done via regulations, which will cost the tax payers more.



No, if the republicans get thier way the consitutional process of creating or modifying laws will be followed. Obama does not have the authority to make these changes without approval of congress. I happen to agree with the changes. But you either support the Constitution or you don't. Do you?

Furthermor, Obama could have had this in October. Delaying the ACA for a year would have taken care of these issues. But no, he refused to budge. So what is he doing now? Essentially delaying critical portions of the law.

So do you support the Constitution or not? The consitution that Obama said he would follow when he took the oath of office.
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An example of left wing arrogance:
onlyaladd » 09 Nov 2016 9:37 am wrote:
Notice all the low performing, uneducated states swung this election? Why should those who have failed lead those who succeeded?
Time to go to popular vote. Now you deplorables get to joyfully defend the biggest liar in political history for 4 years.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
Good luck morons, you asked for this.

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  2,408 15 Jan 2014, 11:50 am

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Didn't hear you guys crying about EXECUTIVE ORDERS when BUSH or REAGAN was in office but if a Black Democrat does it suddenly its UNCONSTITUTIONAL

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)No, if the republicans get thier way the consitutional process of creating or modifying laws will be followed. Obama does not have the authority to make these changes without approval of congress. I happen to agree with the changes. But you either support the Constitution or you don't. Do you?

Furthermor, Obama could have had this in October. Delaying the ACA for a year would have taken care of these issues. But no, he refused to budge. So what is he doing now? Essentially delaying critical portions of the law.

So do you support the Constitution or not? The consitution that Obama said he would follow when he took the oath of office.
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KarlChilders » 15 Jan 2014 10:50 am wrote:
Didn't hear you guys crying about EXECUTIVE ORDERS when BUSH or REAGAN was in office but if a Black Democrat does it suddenly its UNCONSTITUTIONAL

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Yeah, but.....

As far as reagan, of course you didn't. No internet chat rooms.

As far as bush, please start a thread with equivalant examples.

Thanks.
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An example of left wing arrogance:
onlyaladd » 09 Nov 2016 9:37 am wrote:
Notice all the low performing, uneducated states swung this election? Why should those who have failed lead those who succeeded?
Time to go to popular vote. Now you deplorables get to joyfully defend the biggest liar in political history for 4 years.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
Good luck morons, you asked for this.

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KarlChilders » 15 Jan 2014 10:50 am wrote:
Didn't hear you guys crying about EXECUTIVE ORDERS when BUSH or REAGAN was in office but if a Black Democrat does it suddenly its UNCONSTITUTIONAL

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Can you show me an executive order from Bush or Reagan that violated a law passed by Congress and signed by the President of the United States?

No? I didn't think so.
Here endth the lesson.
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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

Cannonpointer » 15 Oct 2014 10:46 am wrote:
Facts suck when you're a progressive.

Technocrat » 04 Sep 2014 12:15 pm wrote:
British invented English, you know.
:die:

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Posted by Regina
  4 15 Jan 2014, 11:53 am

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Huey » 15 Jan 2014 10:46 am wrote:
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)No, if the republicans get thier way the consitutional process of creating or modifying laws will be followed. Obama does not have the authority to make these changes without approval of congress. I happen to agree with the changes. But you either support the Constitution or you don't. Do you?

Furthermor, Obama could have had this in October. Delaying the ACA for a year would have taken care of these issues. But no, he refused to budge. So what is he doing now? Essentially delaying critical portions of the law.

So do you support the Constitution or not? The consitution that Obama said he would follow when he took the oath of office.


I support the constitution, but that is not an issue here.

The regulations are written by HHS - THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.
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Regina » 15 Jan 2014 10:42 am wrote:

What difference does it make? If the Republicans get their way, Obama will have these changes done via regulations, which will cost the tax payers more.

No, they don't need to be done via regulation, they need to be done through Congress.
Why is it that liberals don't understand how our country works?
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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

Cannonpointer » 15 Oct 2014 10:46 am wrote:
Facts suck when you're a progressive.

Technocrat » 04 Sep 2014 12:15 pm wrote:
British invented English, you know.
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Regina » 15 Jan 2014 10:53 am wrote:

I support the constitution, but that is not an issue here.

The regulations are written by HHS - THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

No, actually when you support a president violating the law, you are not supporting the Constitution.
Sorry, but you need to wake up.
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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

Cannonpointer » 15 Oct 2014 10:46 am wrote:
Facts suck when you're a progressive.

Technocrat » 04 Sep 2014 12:15 pm wrote:
British invented English, you know.
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Regina » 15 Jan 2014 10:23 am wrote:
Obamacare: Yes, you can keep your plan unless Republicans stand in the wayObamacare: Yes, you can keep your plan unless Republicans stand in the way

Bulls***. Obamacare was written with the intent of cancelling the plans of 70 to 90 million Americans, admitted by Obama documents.

Staying true to their big-business anti worker philosophy, House Republicans, continuing there attacks on the middle class


Americans and "workers" don't want Obamacare, troll.

And Obama has done more to destroy the middle class than any president since Jimmy Carter.
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RichClem » 15 Jan 2014 11:06 am wrote:

Americans and "workers" don't want Obamacare, troll.

And Obama has done more to destroy the middle class than any president since Jimmy Carter.


Keep thumping your chest. Jimmy Carter is the epitome of American exceptionalism.
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Regina » 15 Jan 2014 11:12 am wrote:

Keep thumping your chest. Jimmy Carter is the epitome of American exceptionalism.

Thanks to Obama, Jimmy Carter is no longer referred to as the "worst President ever".
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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

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Facts suck when you're a progressive.

Technocrat » 04 Sep 2014 12:15 pm wrote:
British invented English, you know.
:die:

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golfboy » 15 Jan 2014 11:14 am wrote:
Thanks to Obama, Jimmy Carter is no longer referred to as the "worst President ever".


LOL - maybe in klan meetings and republican circles
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Regina » 15 Jan 2014 11:17 am wrote:

LOL - maybe in klan meetings and republican circles

And another liberal, when confronted with reality, screams "RACIST" and runs away with her tail between her legs.
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I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

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Facts suck when you're a progressive.

Technocrat » 04 Sep 2014 12:15 pm wrote:
British invented English, you know.
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Regina » 15 Jan 2014 10:23 am wrote:
Staying true to their big-business anti worker philosophy, House Republicans, continuing there attacks on the middle class, have referred to committee a resolution to stop Obama from making the implementation of the Affordable Care Act less of a burden as the kinks are worked out over the next year. Republicans want to stop insurance companies from being able to offer the same overages offered in 2013 - that's your plan, and you can keep it! Republicans are also trying to stop the delay of reporting and other administrative requirements that could cause confusion in clinics and hospitals until the insurance companies have had the time to meet the compliance standards. With any legislation of this size, there will be bumps in the road as is it picks up speed. Give the people a break for once, Republicans!


Whereas because of President Obama’s continuing failure to faithfully execute the laws, his administration’s actions cannot be addressed by the enactment of new laws, because Congress cannot assume that the President will execute the new laws any more faithfully than the laws he has already ignored, leaving Congress with no legislative remedy to prevent the establishment of what is in effect an imperial presidency; and


Whereas it is therefore necessary and appropriate for Congress to turn to the courts to ensure the faithful execution of the laws as required by the Constitution: Now, therefore, be it

The House of Representatives shall bring a civil action in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia for declaratory or injunctive relief to challenge any of the following policies or actions:

(1) The policy of the Department of Health and Human Services that, with respect to health insurance coverage that is renewed for a policy year during the period beginning January 1, 2014, and ending October 1, 2014, health insurance issuers may continue to offer coverage that would otherwise be terminated or cancelled for being out of compliance with various requirements of title XXVII of the Public Health Service Act and corresponding portions of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act and the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as announced by the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services
on November 14, 2013.

(2) The 1-year delay in the application of the reporting requirements of sections 6055 and 6056 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (and related requirements of section 4980H of such Code), as provided under Department of the Treasury Notice 2013–45, as announced by the Department of the Treasury on July 2, 2013.

(3) The policy of the Department of Homeland Security to exercise prosecutorial discretion with respect to individuals who came to the United States as children, as announced by the Department of Homeland Security
on June 15, 2012.

(4) The authorization, approval, renewal, modification, or extension of any experimental, pilot, or demonstration project under section 1115 of the Social Security Act ( 42 U.S.C. 1315 ) that waives compliance with a requirement of section 407 of such Act ( 42 U.S.C. 607 ) through a waiver of section 402 of such Act ( 42 U.S.C. 602 ).

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hres442/text


It's clear that you and many others just don't get it or refuse to see it. Let me ask you a few questions:

How many people to you insure?

Are you responsible for paying others insurance now?

How are you insured?

FYI

I have been insuring my employees for 20+ years. I am no longer able to insure them because of the additional cost I must bear as an employer directly related to the AHCA. My employees will no longer be able to keep their current insurance and many are forced to change Dr's. These are the facts that I know and have been dealing with this past year.
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  4 15 Jan 2014, 12:24 pm

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golfboy » 15 Jan 2014 11:18 am wrote:
And another liberal, when confronted with reality, screams "RACIST" and runs away with her tail between her legs.
:rofl:


Saying that Obama is the worst president since Carter is no argument. It's a cheap shot and it relies on a myth that Jimmy Carter was a bad president. You've got nothing.
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