FDR's leftist policies deepened and extended the Great Depression

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golfboy » 15 Jan 2014 5:31 pm wrote:
Sure. Rebuilding after a war has never occurred before. :rolleyes:



Also occurred as a big part of the New Deal! Glad you approve of it!

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Skeptic » 15 Jan 2014 5:34 pm wrote:

Goofy, you're epitome of the self-deluded con, living comfortably in his echo-chamber till the rent comes due. Virtually every one of your posts re-inforces that reality.

Keep us laffin' goof!

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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

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Skeptic » 15 Jan 2014 5:35 pm wrote:
Also occurred as a big part of the New Deal! Glad you approve of it!

:rolleyes: You mean those programs that are bankrupting the country now?
Nicely done, moonbat.
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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

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golfboy » 15 Jan 2014 5:39 pm wrote:
Run away coward!


Keep us laffin', Goof! :rofl: :rofl:
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RichClem » 15 Jan 2014 4:04 pm wrote:

What are you babbling about? :loco:

Obama's policies have been in effect the full five years if not expanded, and the horrific economy is the direct result.


What, you have something against studying history? :clap:


Liberals aren't allowed to refer to anything that happened more than five minutes ago; they are accused of not being able to answer questions about things happening now and so are told "You can't answer what's happening now so all you can do is go into the past for stuff." But when cons do it, it's "studying history." You folks sure do have a lot of chutzpah. And the thing is, you think others don't notice.

Since it's now okay to study history, let's study the Iraq war. I saw the most hysterically funny, embarrassing video of young Republicans being interviewed outside one of their conventions. They were asked "do you think we should be over there" and every one (interviewed one at a time) said Oh yes, better to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" and other nonsense. Well then, after each one put on that patriot bit, he / she was told, "Well, then when you get out of college you'll be signing up to join the Army to defend America, right?" Each one turned read, looked down, smiled like you do when you're caught, and mumbled about how they had "other plans" and would be able to serve just now. Boy, what a howl that was. Talk is so cheap. It's so easy to be an armchair warrior. And I'd not be surprised at what those kids would have had to say had someone told them it was a war of opportunity, that Hussein was no threat to this country, and so forth.

Yes, history is fun to study.
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SallyForth » 15 Jan 2014 5:42 pm wrote:

Liberals aren't allowed to refer to anything that happened more than five minutes ago; they are accused of not being able to answer questions about things happening now and so are told "You can't answer what's happening now so all you can do is go into the past for stuff." But when cons do it, it's "studying history." You folks sure do have a lot of chutzpah. And the thing is, you think others don't notice.

Since it's now okay to study history, let's study the Iraq war. I saw the most hysterically funny, embarrassing video of young Republicans being interviewed outside one of their conventions. They were asked "do you think we should be over there" and every one (interviewed one at a time) said Oh yes, better to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" and other nonsense. Well then, after each one put on that patriot bit, he / she was told, "Well, then when you get out of college you'll be signing up to join the Army to defend America, right?" Each one turned read, looked down, smiled like you do when you're caught, and mumbled about how they had "other plans" and would be able to serve just now. Boy, what a howl that was. Talk is so cheap. It's so easy to be an armchair warrior. And I'd not be surprised at what those kids would have had to say had someone told them it was a war of opportunity, that Hussein was no threat to this country, and so forth.

Yes, history is fun to study.

That does sound fun(ny)... share the link, we'd all like to see it too!
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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

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golfboy » 15 Jan 2014 5:40 pm wrote:
:rolleyes: You mean those programs that are bankrupting the country now?
Nicely done, moonbat.


You mean the ones the General Treasury has been borrowing from for years?

You DO believe ALL the con talkie points, don't you Goof?

This country STILL derives benefits of the rebuilding efforts FDR instituted -- and you endorsed the approach, Goof! :die: :die:
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Skeptic » 15 Jan 2014 5:44 pm wrote:

You mean the ones the General Treasury has been borrowing from for years?

You DO believe ALL the con talkie points, don't you Goof?

This country STILL derives benefits of the rebuilding efforts FDR instituted -- and you endorsed the approach, Goof! :die: :die:


Yes, that's the ones.
Now, can you tell us where the money is going to come from, to pay for the promised benefits of those programs?

BTW, do you know who ran congress and wrote the laws for the rebuilding effort, including the Marshall plan?
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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

Cannonpointer » 15 Oct 2014 10:46 am wrote:
Facts suck when you're a progressive.

Technocrat » 04 Sep 2014 12:15 pm wrote:
British invented English, you know.
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golfboy » 15 Jan 2014 5:40 pm wrote:
:rolleyes: You mean those programs that are bankrupting the country now?
Nicely done, moonbat.


They're not bankrupting the country. Americans spend billions on cosmetics -- BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON COSMETICS -- every year. How much do you think we spend on the thousands of other things we don't need? How much do you think we'd help ourselves if we cut back on needless buying only 10%? GWB understood that we're so jaded that we don't know the first thing about even the slightest sacrifice to help a war effort. And so, for the first time in American history, we went to war and a president didn't ask us to sacrifice. You do remember what he did say? "Go shopping."

Yes, he actually said that. The other war presidents are spinning in their graves. They'd not recognize this country.
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golfboy » 15 Jan 2014 5:46 pm wrote:

Yes, that's the ones.
Now, can you tell us where the money is going to come from, to pay for the promised benefits of those programs?

BTW, do you know who ran congress and wrote the laws for the rebuilding effort, including the Marshall plan?


You can stop saying "can you tell us..." You speak for yourself. You don't speak for one other person here. But using that royal we, or us as in this case, really makes you feel like you've got an army behind you. You don't.

Want to know where the money could so very easily come from? Read the post above.
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SallyForth » 15 Jan 2014 5:46 pm wrote:

They're not bankrupting the country. Americans spend billions on cosmetics -- BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON COSMETICS -- every year. How much do you think we spend on the thousands of other things we don't need? How much do you think we'd help ourselves if we cut back on needless buying only 10%? GWB understood that we're so jaded that we don't know the first thing about even the slightest sacrifice to help a war effort. And so, for the first time in American history, we went to war and a president didn't ask us to sacrifice. You do remember what he did say? "Go shopping."

Yes, he actually said that. The other war presidents are spinning in their graves. They'd not recognize this country.

Medicare has about a $50 TRILLION unfunded liability. You think that money is going to come from reducing cosmetics sales?
Did you know that Obama is LEGALLY required to produce a plan to get medicare solvent, and has failed to do so for 5 years running now?

BTW, don't you EVER get tired of blaming Bush? Obama's stimulus cost us more than the Iraq war did total.
Stop being a stooge, it's not very becoming.
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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

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Facts suck when you're a progressive.

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SallyForth » 15 Jan 2014 5:49 pm wrote:

You can stop saying "can you tell us..." You speak for yourself. You don't speak for one other person here. But using that royal we, or us as in this case, really makes you feel like you've got an army behind you. You don't.

Want to know where the money could so very easily come from? Read the post above.

So, no link.. no video. Why am I not surprised, Lisa?
Too funny. You think that we're going raise $50 Trillion JUST to save ONE program by reducing cosmetics sales. :rofl:
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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

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Facts suck when you're a progressive.

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golfboy » 15 Jan 2014 5:50 pm wrote:
Medicare has about a $50 TRILLION unfunded liability. You think that money is going to come from reducing cosmetics sales?
Did you know that Obama is LEGALLY required to produce a plan to get medicare solvent, and has failed to do so for 5 years running now?

BTW, don't you EVER get tired of blaming Bush? Obama's stimulus cost us more than the Iraq war did total.
Stop being a stooge, it's not very becoming.


I said that if we spend billions on cosmetics alone, how much do you think we spend on the thousands of other things we don't need?
We haven't had to sacrifice in so long that we don't know what it is. Our priorities are screwed to the wall. Now, the American can-do spirit is still with us, it's just asleep.
When disasters happen people come out of the woodwork to help.

But we've been lied to so much by the powerful that we believe we're in trouble. We have nearly unlimited means to fix our problems, but the 1% don't want them fixed. And the 1% owns your party, get used to it.

Here's 10 things we waste money on:
http://247wallst.com/investing/2011/02/ ... oney-on/3/

I added each item and multiplied it by the number of households in the US in 2010 (114,800,000) and got a figure of $931,602,000,000.00 Now, that's not the total we spend on unnecessary things. It's the 10 categories we waste the most on. I don't know what you'd get if you'd add everything we waste it on. Now you can say but but but we're trillions in debt. Well, if close to 100 billion dollars is now a drop in the bucket and spending it on helping Americans in trouble is not worth it, well, we might as well just keep spending that 931 billion and the hell with our fellow countrymen.
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RichClem » 15 Jan 2014 1:38 pm wrote:
FDR's leftist policies deepened and extended the Great Depression.

As most economists now agree.
Which is why liberals avoid their opinions and cite historians, social activists or political commentators instead. Why not cite plumbers or auto mechanics?



Starting at the beginning with hours worked, the figures don't take into account the dust bowl, which was an enormous national disaster that displaced tens of thousands of families and threw hundreds of thousands out of work. This disaster resulted in regular dust storms of such magnitude that at least one made it to the Atlantic Ocean. If you measure Haiti's paid hours worked before the recent earthquakes and contrast them against hours worked immediately following the earthquake, you would be making a dishonest comparison.

Now, Haiti is a small island nation that was devastated in a major population center, and we are a much larger nation that experienced family farmers in one region crushed. So clearly, Haiti is a more extreme example - but that's what makes it nicely illustrative of the point I am making: There are apples and oranges to be considered in your example.

Then there is the assumption that, but for FDR's policies, the private sector hours worked between 30 and 32 were slated to remain stable or improve. On what is that based? When had we seen a crash as devastating as 1929? And which infrastructural projects undertaken in the new deal era resulted in net negative hours worked? It does not seem from your link that the infrastructural projects which we lefties tout had any negative impact on hours worked - quite the reverse.

In spite of the bold red headlines, your link is a refutation of a few select policies that do in fact seem to have been unwise - and NOT a refutation of the great bulk of FDR's reforms, most of which remained intact and served the nation well right up to the 1980s, after which they were systematically chipped away at until we are once again into devastating boom and bust cycles which have required multiple bailouts and caused people to lose their private pensions.
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Cannonpointer » 15 Jan 2014 7:02 pm wrote:

Starting at the beginning with hours worked, the figures don't take into account the dust bowl, which was an enormous national disaster that displaced tens of thousands of families and threw hundreds of thousands out of work. This disaster resulted in regular dust storms of such magnitude that at least one made it to the Atlantic Ocean. If you measure Haiti's paid hours worked before the recent earthquakes and contrast them against hours worked immediately following the earthquake, you would be making a dishonest comparison.

Now, Haiti is a small island nation that was devastated in a major population center, and we are a much larger nation that experienced family farmers in one region crushed. So clearly, Haiti is a more extreme example - but that's what makes it nicely illustrative of the point I am making: There are apples and oranges to be considered in your example.

Then there is the assumption that, but for FDR's policies, the private sector hours worked between 30 and 32 were slated to remain stable or improve. On what is that based? When had we seen a crash as devastating as 1929? And which infrastructural projects undertaken in the new deal era resulted in net negative hours worked? It does not seem from your link that the infrastructural projects which we lefties tout had any negative impact on hours worked - quite the reverse.

In spite of the bold red headlines, your link is a refutation of a few select policies that do in fact seem to have been unwise - and NOT a refutation of the great bulk of FDR's reforms, most of which remained intact and served the nation well right up to the 1980s, after which they were systematically chipped away at until we are once again into devastating boom and bust cycles which have required multiple bailouts and caused people to lose their private pensions.


hey pal, i already said that...wtf?
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golfboy » 15 Jan 2014 5:46 pm wrote:

Yes, that's the ones.
Now, can you tell us where the money is going to come from, to pay for the promised benefits of those programs?

BTW, do you know who ran congress and wrote the laws for the rebuilding effort, including the Marshall plan?


Taxes.

Marshall Plan had broad, bi-partisan support and could never have passed without it.

What were you going to make up?
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bigsky » 15 Jan 2014 7:06 pm wrote:

hey pal, i already said that...wtf?


I will go look. But if you DID say it (I am doubtful, given your recent tendency to go to the right on every issue), I am reasonably confident that you did not make the case as well as I did. Call me egotistical...

I only read the OP before responding. I responded in Profundus, not here.
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bigsky » 15 Jan 2014 1:55 pm wrote:
it seems to me that the WPA, TVA, and maybe the CCC were not bad ideas..i actually like the idea of the FDIC...the term p"rovide for the general welfare" has a meaning..and i think this is what is meant by it...infrastructure...i would not appose obama making everyone taking welfare to do community service to receive it...so i cant really bitch about the CCC...part of the reason that the great depression was so long lasting was because of other social programs...but you cant forget about the dust bowl...the dust bowl was probably more directly responsible for the extension of the great depression than any policy a government set....there was drought, locust and mile high walls of dust....it was the reason crp was created...


I take it back, Well done.
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Cannonpointer » 15 Jan 2014 7:17 pm wrote:

I will go look. But if you DID say it (I am doubtful, given your recent tendency to go to the right on every issue), I am reasonably confident that you did not make the case as well as I did. Call me egotistical...

I only read the OP before responding. I responded in Profundus, not here.


lol..i was thinking the same of you..
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