New Rail Safety Regulations Are Inadequate Expect More Oil Tanker Disasters

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By Edward McAllister and Nia Williams

NEW YORK/CALGARY (Reuters) - New U.S. rules to toughen classification standards for oil-train shipments will affect less than 3 percent of the tank cars now hauling crude across the country, leaving older, flawed models on the tracks, officials and industry sources say.

The emergency order released on Tuesday, a day ahead of a Senate hearing on oil train safety, may affect some bitumen cargoes from Canada, but will do nothing to curb the use of older DOT-111 cars many hold responsible for a string of recent fiery accidents, they said.

A train filled with crude oil from the Bakken region in North Dakota exploded in the middle of the Canadian town of Lac Megantic last July, killing 47. Since then, other derailments have caused huge fires left to burn out over days as emergency crews look on, fuelling a political backlash.

The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) order said that oil carried by rail could no longer be classified as the least hazardous type of flammable liquid, known as Packing Group 3, a measure it said would improve emergency response and "require the use of a more robust tank car."

Under the new U.S. order, all crude oil shipments must now be labeled in Packing Group 1 or 2, the DOT said. The labels are primarily used to help emergency responders understand the hazard of the contents in the event of an accident; in most cases, changing classification level involves simply relabeling a rail car.

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do you have any original thought? something of your own? and answer me this...how does a reporter know a god damn thing about politics, religion or tanker travel?
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bigsky » 01 Mar 2014 5:36 am wrote:
do you have any original thought? something of your own? and answer me this...how does a reporter know a god damn thing about politics, religion or tanker travel?

Do YOU know ANYTHING
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KarlChilders » 01 Mar 2014 6:32 am wrote:
bigsky » 01 Mar 2014 5:36 am wrote:
do you have any original thought? something of your own? and answer me this...how does a reporter know a god damn thing about politics, religion or tanker travel?

Do YOU know ANYTHING


Do YOU know anything?

The OP is not an opinion piece and the reporter is not stating his opinions.

He's REPORTING on the government plans to change the hazmat classification for oil being transported over rail lines. How does he know about these plans? It's his job to seek them out and report on them. Reporters and journalists have been doing this sort of thing for centuries.

Why is you idiots can't distinguish between opinion/editorial pieces and news reporting?

Here's a hint - your only access to news is through biased sources reliant on opinion and so have come to the errant conclusion that opinion equates to news reporting and to whit, all news reporting equates to opinion.
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greatnpowerfuloz » 01 Mar 2014 6:43 am wrote:
KarlChilders » 01 Mar 2014 6:32 am wrote:
bigsky » 01 Mar 2014 5:36 am wrote:
do you have any original thought? something of your own? and answer me this...how does a reporter know a god damn thing about politics, religion or tanker travel?

Do YOU know ANYTHING


Do YOU know anything?

The OP is not an opinion piece and the reporter is not stating his opinions.

He's REPORTING on the government plans to change the hazmat classification for oil being transported over rail lines. How does he know about these plans? It's his job to seek them out and report on them. Reporters and journalists have been doing this sort of thing for centuries.

Why is you idiots can't distinguish between opinion/editorial pieces and news reporting?

Here's a hint - your only access to news is through biased sources reliant on opinion and so have come to the errant conclusion that opinion equates to news reporting and to whit, all news reporting equates to opinion.



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Well, when you talk railroad safety, you have to talk to Uncle Warren and get his permission first.
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greatnpowerfuloz » 01 Mar 2014 6:43 am wrote:
KarlChilders » 01 Mar 2014 6:32 am wrote:
bigsky » 01 Mar 2014 5:36 am wrote:
do you have any original thought? something of your own? and answer me this...how does a reporter know a god damn thing about politics, religion or tanker travel?

Do YOU know ANYTHING


Do YOU know anything?

The OP is not an opinion piece and the reporter is not stating his opinions.

He's REPORTING on the government plans to change the hazmat classification for oil being transported over rail lines. How does he know about these plans? It's his job to seek them out and report on them. Reporters and journalists have been doing this sort of thing for centuries.

Why is you idiots can't distinguish between opinion/editorial pieces and news reporting?

Here's a hint - your only access to news is through biased sources reliant on opinion and so have come to the errant conclusion that opinion equates to news reporting and to whit, all news reporting equates to opinion.


He would be lost without someone to tell him what to think about a story. Bill O'Rielly has a morning Fox show for these old fucks that shows them how to put their pants on each morning so the zipper is in the front. :rofl: :die: :rofl:
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crimsongulf » 01 Mar 2014 8:51 am wrote:
Well, when you talk railroad safety, you have to talk to Uncle Warren and get his permission first.

Hazardous Material regulations SUPERCEDE the likes of Warren Buffet
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greatnpowerfuloz » 01 Mar 2014 6:43 am wrote:

Do YOU know anything?

The OP is not an opinion piece and the reporter is not stating his opinions.

He's REPORTING on the government plans to change the hazmat classification for oil being transported over rail lines. How does he know about these plans? It's his job to seek them out and report on them. Reporters and journalists have been doing this sort of thing for centuries.

Why is you idiots can't distinguish between opinion/editorial pieces and news reporting?

Here's a hint - your only access to news is through biased sources reliant on opinion and so have come to the errant conclusion that opinion equates to news reporting and to whit, all news reporting equates to opinion.


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Transporting oil by rail is inherently more dangerous than transporting it by pipeline.
People that oppose the Keystone pipeline are putting people and the environment at greater risk.
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Why do people think oil companies want to spill the oil they paid a ton of money to get out of the ground? That's a rather poor business model.
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golfboy » 01 Mar 2014 2:20 pm wrote:
Transporting oil by rail is inherently more dangerous than transporting it by pipeline.
People that oppose the Keystone pipeline are putting people and the environment at greater risk.




"Some Of The Most Dangerous Crude Oil In The World Is Fueling North Dakota’s Energy Boom"
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In this Dec. 30, 2013, file photo, a fireball goes up at the site of an oil train derailment in Casselton, N.D.
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In this case, it's the oil itself that should not be transported regardless of means:

From Wall Street Journal Report
It’s the type of oil at the heart of America’s energy boom. It’s the oil that makes North Dakota one of the priciest places to live in the country. It’s the oil that exploded in July after a 72-car freight train derailed in Canada, killing 47 people.
And now, Bakken shale crude oil is also the most explosive compared to oil from 86 other locations worldwide, according to an analysis released Sunday by the Wall Street Journal.


The findings raise “new questions about the safety of shipping such crude by rail across the U.S.,” and “concerns that more dangerous cargo is moving through the U.S. than previously believed,” the Journal said, speculating on whether safety regulations on railcars need to be strengthened. Just last month, federal regulators found that Bakken shale oil from two companies had not been properly labeled before being loaded on cross-country trains. Those same regulators are currently conducting their own investigation into whether the oil is particularly flammable.
Allegations of increased volatility in Bakken shale light crude oil were raised after a number of high-profile train derailments and subsequent explosions, including the deadly Lac-Mégantic, Canada disaster. Federal regulators at the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) speculate that the oil’s explosive nature may be due to either particular properties of the oil, or added chemicals from the hydraulic fracturing process used to extract it. PHMSA has yet to release specific details of its investigation with regard to the oil’s flammability.
The Wall Street Journal, however, conducted its own investigation, using data from the Capline Pipeline in Louisiana. The Capline tested crude oil from 86 different locations around the world for something called “vapor pressure,” which reportedly translates into the oil’s ability to evaporate and emit combustible gases. The Wall Street Journal’s report notes:
According to the data, oil from North Dakota and the Eagle Ford Shale in Texas had vapor-pressure readings of over 8 pounds per square inch (PSI), although Bakken readings reached as high as 9.7 PSI. U.S. refiner Tesoro Corp., a major transporter of Bakken crude to the West Coast, said it regularly has received oil from North Dakota with even more volatile pressure readings — up to 12 PSI.

By comparison, Louisiana Light Sweet from the Gulf of Mexico, had vapor pressure of 3.33 PSI, according to the Capline data.
On average, North Dakota’s Bakken shale oil had a volatility rating of 8.56 PSI. The next most volatile oil was Brent crude from the North Sea, with a volatility rating of 6.17 PSI. The third most volatile, 4.8 PSI, was Basrah Light oil from Iraq.
As much as 90 percent of the North Dakota’s crude is expected to move by freight rail in 2014, according to North Dakota’s Mineral Resources Department, which recently announced record oil production of almost 1 million barrels per day — or approximately 5 percent of total U.S. oil consumption. A million barrels a day is more than the capacity of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline, which would transport 830,000 barrels per day.
As the Centre for Research on Globalization notes, most of the oil shipped by rail in North America consists of U.S. light crude, which is the primary type produced in North Dakota. Light crude, according to CRG, is “hydrogen-heavy and carbon-light,” which enables it to flow easily but also makes it “alarmingly explosive.”
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We've been transporting this kind of oil for decades, and if we don't transport it via a pipeline, it will be transported by more dangerous modes like rail and trucking.
The idea presented here by you that we shouldn't transport this oil at ALL is simply not going to happen.

The problem liberals have is that they oppose the safe transport of these fuels, and in doing so, ensure more environmental damage will occur.

BTW, I've not seen you address the fact that Warren Buffett is the man benefactor of the opposion to Keystone.
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greatnpowerfuloz » 01 Mar 2014 6:43 am wrote:

Do YOU know anything?

The OP is not an opinion piece and the reporter is not stating his opinions.

He's REPORTING on the government plans to change the hazmat classification for oil being transported over rail lines. How does he know about these plans? It's his job to seek them out and report on them. Reporters and journalists have been doing this sort of thing for centuries.

Why is you idiots can't distinguish between opinion/editorial pieces and news reporting?

Here's a hint - your only access to news is through biased sources reliant on opinion and so have come to the errant conclusion that opinion equates to news reporting and to whit, all news reporting equates to opinion.


their opinion of the rail industry and the bakken oil field probably has something to do with the way their story was written...now i am not going to read the whole story, so enlighten me on a couple of key issues concerning the DOT111 tank cars...has anything been done to remedy the flaws common to that model of car? are the original DOT111A tank cars being produced today?
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bigsky » 01 Mar 2014 3:19 pm wrote:

their opinion of the rail industry and the bakken oil field probably has something to do with the way their story was written...now i am not going to read the whole story, so enlighten me on a couple of key issues concerning the DOT111 tank cars...has anything been done to remedy the flaws common to that model of car? are the original DOT111A tank cars being produced today?

HERE ya fucking stooge Learn How to READ.....

FROM THE OP
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New U.S. rules to toughen classification standards for oil-train shipments will affect less than 3 percent of the tank cars now hauling crude across the country, leaving older, flawed models on the tracks, officials and industry sources say.

Under the new U.S. order, all crude oil shipments must now be labeled in Packing Group 1 or 2, the DOT said. The labels are primarily used to help emergency responders understand the hazard of the contents in the event of an accident; in most cases, changing classification level involves simply relabeling a rail car.
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  1,142 01 Mar 2014, 4:34 pm

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KarlChilders » 01 Mar 2014 3:26 pm wrote:
HERE ya fucking stooge Learn How to READ.....

FROM THE OP
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New U.S. rules to toughen classification standards for oil-train shipments will affect less than 3 percent of the tank cars now hauling crude across the country, leaving older, flawed models on the tracks, officials and industry sources say.

Under the new U.S. order, all crude oil shipments must now be labeled in Packing Group 1 or 2, the DOT said. The labels are primarily used to help emergency responders understand the hazard of the contents in the event of an accident; in most cases, changing classification level involves simply relabeling a rail car.


did you miss the part where it said this? The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) order said that oil carried by rail could no longer be classified as the least hazardous type of flammable liquid, known as Packing Group 3, a measure it said would improve emergency response and "require the use of a more robust tank car." notice the part that says requires the use of a more robust tank car?

the aar has required all newly manufactured dot111 cars be better equipped to handle coupler to head impacts and withstand fires better....
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bigsky » 01 Mar 2014 3:34 pm wrote:

did you miss the part where it said this? The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) order said that oil carried by rail could no longer be classified as the least hazardous type of flammable liquid, known as Packing Group 3, a measure it said would improve emergency response and "require the use of a more robust tank car." notice the part that says requires the use of a more robust tank car?

the aar has required all newly manufactured dot111 cars be better equipped to handle coupler to head impacts and withstand fires better....

Did you MISS the PART about Older FLAWED CARS will REMAIN on the TRACKS obviously you barely scanned over it

OH look Here it is
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leaving older, flawed models on the tracks, officials and industry sources say.
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KarlChilders » 01 Mar 2014 3:40 pm wrote:
Did you MISS the PART about Older FLAWED CARS will REMAIN on the TRACKS obviously you barely scanned over it

OH look Here it is
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leaving older, flawed models on the tracks, officials and industry sources say.


but are those older flawed models going to be allowed to transport packing groups 1 and 2? if so for how long? is there a deadline to faze our dot111 cars in packing group 1 and 2...

you see all the unanswered questions the article leaves...making it an opinion article...or at leas an incomplete pile of shit
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KarlChilders » 01 Mar 2014 3:40 pm wrote:
Did you MISS the PART about Older FLAWED CARS will REMAIN on the TRACKS obviously you barely scanned over it

OH look Here it is
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leaving older, flawed models on the tracks, officials and industry sources say.

I wonder of Warren Buffett has anything to do with that...
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I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

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Like I said, BO has to ask permission from Uncle Warren.
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