"Your Brother Created ISIS" (At Last Somebody Gives Credit Where Credit Is Due.)

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Posted by crimsongulf
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CanuckleSandwich » 17 May 2015 6:13 pm wrote:

I'm the fucking Pope.....biatch.



meeeh, you are the token canuck. None of y'all live in the real world.
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CanuckleSandwich » 17 May 2015 6:13 pm wrote:

I'm the fucking Pope.....biatch.


That's just his "holy water" oozing from your lips and making you believe you're the Pope biatch.

In reality you are a merely a poked biatch.
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Muslims who engage in jihad can find the legitimacy to do so in the Quran. Christians who engage in any violence are betraying Christianity”s teachings and can find no legitimacy to do what they do in the New Testament.

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crimsongulf » 17 May 2015 6:19 pm wrote:
CanuckleSandwich » 17 May 2015 6:13 pm wrote:

I'm the fucking Pope.....biatch.


meeeh, you are the token canuck. None of y'all live in the real world.


It's you that lives in a bubble.
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Pregnar Kraps » 17 May 2015 6:27 pm wrote:
CanuckleSandwich » 17 May 2015 6:13 pm wrote:

I'm the fucking Pope.....biatch.


That's just his "holy water" oozing from your lips and making you believe you're the Pope biatch.

In reality you are a merely a poked biatch.


Just like you drinking Dubya's and Dick Cheney's kool aid. They really must have gone deep inside for you to be this stupid.
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  20,516 18 May 2015, 8:18 am

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CanuckleSandwich » 16 May 2015 2:43 pm wrote:
Yes, Obama's been a fool when it comes to foreign policy but he doesn't deserve all the blame like Golfboy wants you to believe. Bush started blundering and Obama followed suit.


Obama is no fool and buish did not blunder.

Hold that premise as correct and then re-run the data, and see where it leads - just for shits and giiggles.

Do it.
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  48,012 18 May 2015, 11:34 am

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Cannonpointer » 18 May 2015 8:18 am wrote:
CanuckleSandwich » 16 May 2015 2:43 pm wrote:
Yes, Obama's been a fool when it comes to foreign policy but he doesn't deserve all the blame like Golfboy wants you to believe. Bush started blundering and Obama followed suit.


Obama is no fool and buish did not blunder.

Hold that premise as correct and then re-run the data, and see where it leads - just for shits and giiggles.

Do it.

Well, at least now we see why you are challenged on this subject. Your fundamental assumptions are wrong.
GIGO.
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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

Cannonpointer » 15 Oct 2014 10:46 am wrote:
Facts suck when you're a progressive.

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British invented English, you know.
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  48,012 18 May 2015, 11:35 am

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CanuckleSandwich » 16 May 2015 2:43 pm wrote:
Yes, Obama's been a fool when it comes to foreign policy but he doesn't deserve all the blame like Golfboy wants you to believe. Bush started blundering and Obama followed suit.

So, would ISIS have taken control of large areas of Iraq and Syria if the U.S. military was still in Iraq?
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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

Cannonpointer » 15 Oct 2014 10:46 am wrote:
Facts suck when you're a progressive.

Technocrat » 04 Sep 2014 12:15 pm wrote:
British invented English, you know.
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Posted by GeorgeWashington
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golfboy » 18 May 2015 11:35 am wrote:
CanuckleSandwich » 16 May 2015 2:43 pm wrote:
Yes, Obama's been a fool when it comes to foreign policy but he doesn't deserve all the blame like Golfboy wants you to believe. Bush started blundering and Obama followed suit.

So, would ISIS have taken control of large areas of Iraq and Syria if the U.S. military was still in Iraq?


So, would ISIS have taken control of large areas of Iraq and Syria if the U.S. had not destabilized Iraq and Syria?
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GeorgeWashington » 18 May 2015 12:40 pm wrote:

So, would ISIS have taken control of large areas of Iraq and Syria if the U.S. had not destabilized Iraq and Syria?


Would there BE an ISIS if the Prophet hadn't ordered Muslims to follow His example and practice Jihad?

There.

You want to play the blame game?

Let's get to the root of it all.
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Muslims who engage in jihad can find the legitimacy to do so in the Quran. Christians who engage in any violence are betraying Christianity”s teachings and can find no legitimacy to do what they do in the New Testament.

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  48,012 18 May 2015, 1:55 pm

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GeorgeWashington » 18 May 2015 12:40 pm wrote:
golfboy » 18 May 2015 11:35 am wrote:
So, would ISIS have taken control of large areas of Iraq and Syria if the U.S. military was still in Iraq?


So, would ISIS have taken control of large areas of Iraq and Syria if the U.S. had not destabilized Iraq and Syria?

Not if we had troops there. And evidently you forget that Iraq was stable when we abandoned them.
So, are you going to answer my question?
Would ISIS have taken over large areas of Iraq and Syria if the U.S. military was still in Iraq?

This is a simple question.
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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

Cannonpointer » 15 Oct 2014 10:46 am wrote:
Facts suck when you're a progressive.

Technocrat » 04 Sep 2014 12:15 pm wrote:
British invented English, you know.
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golfboy » 18 May 2015 1:55 pm wrote:
GeorgeWashington » 18 May 2015 12:40 pm wrote:
golfboy » 18 May 2015 11:35 am wrote:
So, would ISIS have taken control of large areas of Iraq and Syria if the U.S. military was still in Iraq?


So, would ISIS have taken control of large areas of Iraq and Syria if the U.S. had not destabilized Iraq and Syria?

Not if we had troops there. And evidently you forget that Iraq was stable when we abandoned them.
So, are you going to answer my question?
Would ISIS have taken over large areas of Iraq and Syria if the U.S. military was still in Iraq?

This is a simple question.


It is not likely that ISIS would have taken large areas of Iraq had we maintained our military presence there; however, I think it is very likely that ISIS still would have taken large areas of Syria considering we armed them in Syria.
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  48,012 18 May 2015, 2:10 pm

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GeorgeWashington » 18 May 2015 2:07 pm wrote:
golfboy » 18 May 2015 1:55 pm wrote:
Not if we had troops there. And evidently you forget that Iraq was stable when we abandoned them.
So, are you going to answer my question?
Would ISIS have taken over large areas of Iraq and Syria if the U.S. military was still in Iraq?

This is a simple question.


It is not likely that ISIS would have taken large areas of Iraq had we maintained our military presence there; however, I think it is very likely that ISIS still would have taken large areas of Syria considering we armed them in Syria.

Not likely? Try not possible.
And no, we were never considering arming ISIS. We WERE considering arming rebels PRIOR to ISIS moving in and co-opting them. But because Obama dithered, we lost that opportunity.

You know, convert or die...

ISIS ONLY exists in Iraq and Syria because Obama abandoned Iraq and created a massive power vacuum in the region.
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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

Cannonpointer » 15 Oct 2014 10:46 am wrote:
Facts suck when you're a progressive.

Technocrat » 04 Sep 2014 12:15 pm wrote:
British invented English, you know.
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  2,233 18 May 2015, 2:21 pm

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Here is THE SMACKDOWN all you Bush haters and Obama lickers have been asking for.

And from THE WASHINGTON POST, no less!!!

George W. Bush was right about Iraq pullout

When former President George W. Bush makes a rare visit to Washington today, he won’t criticize President Obama for the bloodletting Obama unleashed with his withdrawal from Iraq. After leaving office, Bush promised Obama his silence. He is a man of his word.

But if Bush did speak out, here is what he ought to say:

In the summer of 2007, Bush warned of the dire consequence of pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq against the advice of our commanders on the ground. All of Washington was telling Bush that the surge he had launched would fail and that the time had come to withdraw from Iraq and accept defeat.

I told you so.

At a White House news conference on July 12, 2007, [color=#000000]Bush declared: “I know some in Washington would like us to start leaving Iraq now. To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we’re ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region and for the United States. It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al-Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean we’d be increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.”[/color]
He had no idea at the time how prophetic his words would be.

In 2010, Obama did precisely what Bush warned against and withdrew all U.S. forces from Iraq — overruling his commander on the ground, Gen. Lloyd J. Austin III, who had recommended that Obama keep 24,000 troops. And since then, everything that Bush warned would happen has come to pass.

Bush warned that withdrawing against the advice of our military commanders would result in “mass killings on a horrific scale.” Check. We’re now seeing mass killings on a horrific scale — summary executions, women and children buried alive, people being crucified, the attempted genocide of the Yazidis and two American journalists beheaded.

Bush warned that withdrawal would “allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan.” Check. The Islamic State now controls a safe haven the size of Belgium.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html
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Muslims who engage in jihad can find the legitimacy to do so in the Quran. Christians who engage in any violence are betraying Christianity”s teachings and can find no legitimacy to do what they do in the New Testament.

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golfboy » 18 May 2015 2:10 pm wrote:
GeorgeWashington » 18 May 2015 2:07 pm wrote:
golfboy » 18 May 2015 1:55 pm wrote:
Not if we had troops there. And evidently you forget that Iraq was stable when we abandoned them.
So, are you going to answer my question?
Would ISIS have taken over large areas of Iraq and Syria if the U.S. military was still in Iraq?

This is a simple question.


It is not likely that ISIS would have taken large areas of Iraq had we maintained our military presence there; however, I think it is very likely that ISIS still would have taken large areas of Syria considering we armed them in Syria.

Not likely? Try not possible.
And no, we were never considering arming ISIS. We WERE considering arming rebels PRIOR to ISIS moving in and co-opting them. But because Obama dithered, we lost that opportunity.

You know, convert or die...

ISIS ONLY exists in Iraq and Syria because Obama abandoned Iraq and created a massive power vacuum in the region.


The power vacuum was in Syria. Iraq was peaceful and stable when we left, which is why Isis didn't mobilize in Iraq. Instead, Isis mobilized in Syrian with our help and later invaded Iraq.

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JUNE 21, 2012
WASHINGTON — A small number of C.I.A. officers are operating secretly in southern Turkey, helping allies decide which Syrian opposition fighters across the border will receive arms to fight the Syrian government, according to American officials and Arab intelligence officers.

The weapons, including automatic rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, ammunition and some antitank weapons, are being funneled mostly across the Turkish border by way of a shadowy network of intermediaries including Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood and paid for by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the officials said.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/wo ... rrer=&_r=0

The study by the London-based small-arms research organisation Conflict Armament Research documented weapons seized by Kurdish forces from militants in Iraq and Syria over a 10-day period in July.



The report said the jihadists disposed of “significant quantities” of US-made small arms including M16 assault rifles and included photos showing the markings “Property of US Govt”.

It also found that anti-tank rockets used by IS in Syria were “identical to M79 rockets transferred by Saudi Arabia to forces operating under the Free Syrian Army umbrella in 2013″.

http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-fig ... 35376.html
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GeorgeWashington » 18 May 2015 4:02 pm wrote:
golfboy » 18 May 2015 2:10 pm wrote:
Not likely? Try not possible.
And no, we were never considering arming ISIS. We WERE considering arming rebels PRIOR to ISIS moving in and co-opting them. But because Obama dithered, we lost that opportunity.

You know, convert or die...

ISIS ONLY exists in Iraq and Syria because Obama abandoned Iraq and created a massive power vacuum in the region.


The power vacuum was in Syria. Iraq was peaceful and stable when we left, which is why Isis didn't mobilize in Iraq. Instead, Isis mobilized in Syrian with our help and later invaded Iraq.

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JUNE 21, 2012
WASHINGTON — A small number of C.I.A. officers are operating secretly in southern Turkey, helping allies decide which Syrian opposition fighters across the border will receive arms to fight the Syrian government, according to American officials and Arab intelligence officers.

The weapons, including automatic rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, ammunition and some antitank weapons, are being funneled mostly across the Turkish border by way of a shadowy network of intermediaries including Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood and paid for by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the officials said.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/wo ... rrer=&_r=0

The study by the London-based small-arms research organisation Conflict Armament Research documented weapons seized by Kurdish forces from militants in Iraq and Syria over a 10-day period in July.



The report said the jihadists disposed of “significant quantities” of US-made small arms including M16 assault rifles and included photos showing the markings “Property of US Govt”.

It also found that anti-tank rockets used by IS in Syria were “identical to M79 rockets transferred by Saudi Arabia to forces operating under the Free Syrian Army umbrella in 2013″.

http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-fig ... 35376.html

The groups we were trying to help, were fighting Assad. They were not ISIS.

ISIS came in later, and started a 3-way fight against the rebels and Assad, defeating the rebels and absorbing them into their own ranks.
Rebel Groups Face a Three-Front Fight Against Assad, ISIS
Syrian Rebels Want To Fight Assad, But Now They'll Face ISIS

As for the rockets being "identical to M79" rockets... that's because when they overran Iraqi troops, they left everything and ISIS took all the weaponry.
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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

Cannonpointer » 15 Oct 2014 10:46 am wrote:
Facts suck when you're a progressive.

Technocrat » 04 Sep 2014 12:15 pm wrote:
British invented English, you know.
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CanuckleSandwich » 16 May 2015 2:43 pm wrote:
Yes, Obama's been a fool when it comes to foreign policy but he doesn't deserve all the blame like Golfboy wants you to believe. Bush started blundering and Obama followed suit.


Obama is no fool and buish did not blunder.

Hold that premise as correct and then re-run the data, and see where it leads - just for shits and giiggles.

Do it.


It's vice-versa?
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Explain your conception and birth, you piece of shit.

Do it with an acronym

DO IT! :ninja:



Good job.
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CanuckleSandwich » 18 May 2015 8:13 am wrote:

It's you that lives in a bubble.


Feel free to think that, doesn't bother me at all. Business is great and our Canuck trips are cheap with the poor performance of the loonie.
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golfboy » 18 May 2015 11:35 am wrote:
So, would ISIS have taken control of large areas of Iraq and Syria if the U.S. military was still in Iraq?


As our creatures, ass-licker, they would do as we instructed.
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