Cannonpointer » 20 Oct 2015 11:22 am wrote: Southern indep » 20 Oct 2015 11:02 am wrote:
Regardless of the spiritual context with in the bible.. These fools dismiss the fact after the light of the world fell (Rome) .. It was the Christian monks who kept literacy alive in the west. It was the Christian monks who set up sanctuaries for the poor and sick.during some of the worst times in the medieval era. It was the christian monks who paved the way for the renaissance to happen. Even with the catholic church persecuting people of knowledge, the monks were the one who copied classical writings to give them the foundation for the new knowledge .
They harp on things like the crusades and how native Americans were treated by missionaries. They fail to realize that up until a century or two ago that was simply the way things were done by everyone. At least the missionaries did intend to.save .souls.
You know read an article or.hear that religion has killed more people then any other cause. Well ww2 caused the deaths of two hundred million people.. The mongols killed sixty to a hundred million people.
Actually, it was the muslims who kept art and science alive. Their mathematics powered our drive to the moon. Without arabic numerals, it would have taken this long to get out of low earth orbit: VVXIVCCCCIXVIIIVCIXXXIVCCCVIXXXICVVVICXXXXICIVIVICIXXXICIVIVIVIVIXICICIVIVICIXIXICICIIVXVZXVXCVCVCXIIXIICVIICIVICXIXIXIICIVIVIXIXICVICIXIIXIV.
You know if you want to give credit were credit is due you better give it to Nazi Germany and the soviet union . If it were not for operation paper clip we would not have had the know how.. without the red scare and the space race we would not have had the motivation.
This is for the religion haters that are to fucking stupid to realize how much religion has influenced both the spirituality of people and helped progress the world forward.
When they speak of religion and science in the same sentence they seem to take a biased approach .. not caring to get the entire picture.
The Preservation of Literature
The preservation of what classical Latin works that we do possess was almost entirely down to the Christian church. It helped in a number of ways:
1.It preserved the use of the Latin language and hence ensured that classical works could continue to be used and understood;
2.Its monks copied texts as they wore out. Not a single complete text survives from Roman times but instead those we possess were recopied from the ninth century in monastery scriptoria.
3.As Christianity is a highly literary religion it had to ensure that enough people remained literate in order to use sacred texts. This naturally spilled over into secular work as well.
4.The monastic libraries were safe havens for valuable and delicate manuscripts that Christian raiders (though not pagan ones like the Vikings) generally left alone.
It might be claimed that as the Church was the only institution that contained people able to read and write it is hardly surprising that the Latin that survived was in their hands. This misses the point. There is no evidence that the church was in any way jealous of its learning and anyone who paid could have received an education. But among the upper class warriors of the Franks, Saxons and Goths there was simply no such desire until Charlemagne encouraged them in the ninth century. For this reason, had the church not occupied its unifying, educational and preserving role no other institution would have done so. The amount of classical Latin literature that has come down to us is a pitiful remnant of what there once was, but we can thank the church for what we have.
Below is something I came across a year or so ago talking about the rise of Islam in the seventh century ......
On the other hand, one can also say that the Babylonians are the ones who invented the algebra, if only for the fact that they are the first to utilize early forms of algebraic equations. Their contribution to algebra may not be as vast as the Arabs, who literally shaped much of what algebra is today, but Babylonians were the first people to solve problems with the use of operations that can be considered as algebraic hence their contested designation as the ones who invented algebra.
I thought this to be freaking cool man ... one of the oldest civilizations known to exist, used complex math . What I mean by complex is they were not simply using tally marks ..
This is not an argument mother fucker ... just an informative copy paste on what we both said for anyone who cares......
. The Renaissance's intellectual basis was humanism, derived from the rediscovery of classical Greek philosophy, such as that of Protagoras, who said, that "Man is the measure of all things." This new thinking became manifest in art, architecture, politics, science and literature. Early examples were the development of perspective in oil painting and the recycled knowledge of how to make concrete. Although the invention of metal movable type sped the dissemination of ideas from the later 15th century, the changes of the Renaissance were not uniformly experienced across Europe.
As a cultural movement, it encompassed innovative flowering of Latin and vernacular literatures, beginning with the 14th century resurgence of learning based on classical sources, which contemporaries credited to Petrarch; the development of linear perspective and other techniques of rendering a more natural reality in painting; and gradual but widespread educational reform. In politics, the Renaissance contributed to the development of the customs and conventions of diplomacy, and in science to an increased reliance on observation and inductive reasoning. Although the Renaissance saw revolutions in many intellectual pursuits, as well as social and political upheaval, it is perhaps best known for its artistic developments and the contributions of such polymaths as Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo, who inspired the term "Renaissance man".
. In stark contrast to the High Middle Ages, when Latin scholars focused almost entirely on studying Greek and Arabic works of natural science, philosophy and mathematics, Renaissance scholars were most interested in recovering and studying Latin and Greek literary, historical, and oratorical texts. Broadly speaking, this began in the 14th century with a Latin phase, when Renaissance scholars such as Petrarch, Coluccio Salutati (1331–1406), Niccolò de' Niccoli (1364–1437) and Poggio Bracciolini (1380–1459 AD) scoured the libraries of Europe in search of works by such Latin authors as Cicero, Lucretius, Livy and Seneca. By the early 15th century, the bulk of such Latin literature had been recovered; the Greek phase of Renaissance humanism was now under way, as Western European scholars turned to recovering ancient Greek literary, historical, oratorical and theological texts.
Unlike the case of those Latin texts, which had been preserved and studied in Western Europe since late antiquity, the study of ancient Greek texts was very limited in medieval Western Europe. Ancient Greek works on science, maths and philosophy had been studied since the High Middle Ages in Western Europe and in the medieval Islamic world (normally in translation), but Greek literary, oratorical and historical works (such as Homer, the Greek dramatists, Demosthenes and Thucydides and so forth), were not studied in either the Latin or medieval Islamic worlds; in the Middle Ages these sorts of texts were only studied by Byzantine scholars. One of the greatest achievements of Renaissance scholars was to bring this entire class of Greek cultural works back into Western Europe for the first time since late antiquity. This movement to reintegrate the regular study of Greek literary, historical, oratorical and theological texts back into the Western European curriculum is usually dated to Coluccio Salutati's invitation to the Byzantine diplomat and scholar Manuel Chrysoloras (c.1355–1415) to Florence to teach Greek. This legacy was continued by a number of expatriate Greek scholars, from Basilios Bessarion to Leo Allatius.
I just love this stuff.. If I ever find an active World history forum this place might have some competition for my posting time... Just saying nucka..
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