Russian Airliner Down Over Egypt Sinai!

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  10,910 31 Oct 2015, 9:37 am

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Russian airliner with 224 aboard crashes in Egypt's Sinai, all killed!

ISMAILIA, Egypt/CAIRO (Reuters) - A Russian airliner carrying 224 passengers and crew crashed in Egypt's Sinai peninsula on Saturday after losing radar contact and plummeting from its cruising altitude, killing all aboard.

The Airbus A321, operated by Russian airline Kogalymavia under the brand name Metrojet, was flying from the Sinai Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh to St Petersburg in Russia when it went down in a desolate mountainous area of central Sinai soon after daybreak, the aviation ministry said.

A north Sinai security source said initial examination showed the crash was due to a technical fault, but gave no detail. The plane, he said, had landed in a "vertical fashion", explaining the scale of devastation and burning.

The Russian Embassy in Cairo said it had been told by Egyptian officials the pilot had been trying to make an emergency landing at El-Arish.
"I now see a tragic scene," an Egyptian security officer at the site told Reuters by telephone. "A lot of dead on the ground and many who died whilst strapped to their seats.
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"The plane split into two, a small part on the tail end that burned and a larger part that crashed into a rock. We have extracted at least 100 bodies and the rest are still inside," the officer, who requested anonymity, said.

Sinai is the scene of an insurgency by militants close to Islamic State, who have killed hundreds of Egyptian soldiers and police and have also attacked Western targets in recent months.
Russia, an ally of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, launched air raids against opposition groups in Syria including Islamic State on Sept. 30. Security sources said there was no indication the Airbus had been shot down or blown up.

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Egyptian Prime Minister Sherif Ismail was heading to the crash site in the Hassana area 35 km (22 miles) south of the Sinai Mediterranean coastal city of Al Arish with several cabinet ministers on a private jet, the tourism ministry said.
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Russian television showed film of anxious relatives and friends waiting for information at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo airport. A middle-aged woman was shown weeping and crying out.

Russian President Vladimir Putin declared a day of national mourning for Sunday. The passengers included 214 Russians and three Ukrainians.

Speaking at a news briefing in the central Asia republic of Kyrgyzstan, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry described the crash as a tremendous tragedy and loss.

The A321 is a medium-haul jet in service since 1994, with over 1,100 in operation worldwide and a good safety record. It is a highly automated aircraft relying on computers to help pilots stay within safe flying limits.

Airbus said the A321 was built in 1997 and had been operated by Metrojet since 2012. It had flown 56,000 hours in nearly 21,000 flights and was powered by engines from International Aero Engines consortium, which includes United Technologies unit Pratt & Whitney and Germany's MTU Aero Engines .

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Emergency services and aviation specialists searched the wreckage for any clues to the crash. One of two flight recorders was quickly found, but wreckage was scattered over a wide area.
The security officer said 120 bodies had been found intact.


“We are hearing a lot of telephones ringing, most likely belonging to the victims, and security forces are collecting them and putting them into a bag,” he said.
Russian state-run television station Rossiya 24 reported that officials were searching the Kogalymavia airline's offices in Moscow and had seized some documents.

Interfax news agency said Russian state transport regulator Rostransnadzor had found violations when it last conducted a routine flight safety inspection of Kogalymavia. But after the inspection, in March 2014, the airline remedied the breaches.
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Kogalymavia was founded in 1993, and was earlier called Kolavia. Its fleet consists of two A320s and seven A321s.

Russia and other former Soviet republics have relatively poor safety records, notably on domestic flights.

Some Russian air crashes have been blamed on the use of ageing aircraft, but industry experts point to other problems, including poor crew training, crumbling airports, lax government controls and neglect of safety in the pursuit of profits.

The aircraft took off at 5:51 a.m. Cairo time (0351 GMT) and disappeared from radar screens 23 minutes later, Egypt's Civil Aviation Ministry said in a statement. It was at an altitude of 31,000 feet (9,400 meters) when it vanished from radar screens.

Accidents at cruising altitude are one of the rarest categories of accidents but also among the most deadly, accounting for 13 percent of fatal incidents but 27 percent of fatalities since 2005, according to Boeing.

Investigators would be looking into, among other things, the weather at the time, the pilots' experience, maintenance records, signs of a stall and any evidence of an explosion.
Experts consistently warn air accidents are usually caused by a cocktail of factors, both human and technical.

According to FlightRadar24, an authoritative Sweden-based flight tracking service, the aircraft was descending rapidly at about 6,000 feet (1,800 meters) per minute before the signal was lost to air traffic control.

I see 4 possibilities here. 1. Surface to air missile 2. A Ukrainian passenger payback 3. Pilots were drunk (those Ruskies and their Vodka....) 4. Mechanical problem. I am leaning towards 1 & 2. What say you?
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CONS, being PootyPoot's ballwashers, will be rushing to blame Obama....

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Drunk Russians!

Vodka culture in Russia is one big reason why Russia's economy flounders!

That, and Stinger missles given by Reagan and other GOP assholes! :x
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CHILLING new details suggest Russian crash killing 224 was NO ACCIDENT


Many of us awoke this morning to the tragic news that a Russian passenger plane carrying 224 passengers, including 17 children, plunged into a fiery crash in Egypt. Traveling from the popular Egyptian holiday resort of Sharm El-Sheikh to the Russian city of St Petersburg, many of the dead are believed to be holiday makers headed home.

While initial reports suggested the crash was caused by technical issues, new information suggests it may be the work of ISIS.

Via UK Express:
ISLAMIC State militants have claimed responsibility for the downing of a Russian passenger plane which crashed in Egypt killing 224 people, according to a terrorist monitoring group.

Terror Monitor, an online terrorist monitoring organisation, claims to have a statement from Islamic State militants claiming responsibility for the attack.

The group, which watches terrorist groups around the world, tweeted an image of the Arabic statement and wrote: “#IslamicState (#ISIS) terror group claims downing of Russian aircraft in #Sinai.”

http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/10/chill ... -accident/
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  15,891 31 Oct 2015, 11:29 am

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Why is this being posted in the politics board? Another pathetic attempt to smear Islam?
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It was an internet video that caused it according to high ranking government officials.
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danobivins » 31 Oct 2015 11:29 am wrote:
Why is this being posted in the politics board? Another pathetic attempt to smear Islam?


I don't need to smear isalami....they pretty much do a good job on their own.

I just report the facts.....
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Naw, you beat off and scream "muzzies!" While staring at a portrait of Adolf.

This story does not belong in a political section, idiot.
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danobivins » 31 Oct 2015 11:41 am wrote:
Naw, you beat off and scream "muzzies!" While staring at a portrait of Adolf.

This story does not belong in a political section, idiot.




you should start a thread...."What the resident ex-con prison bitch thinks?"
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I have suggested this before, and I'll point it out again, if the IP address is checked, just for curiosity's sake, I'm nearly certain that rayj and nefarious are soks of one another.
Only game-playing kids with nothing to contribute use soks and post under them. Pathetic.
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rayj » 31 Oct 2015 11:27 am wrote:
Here we go....

CHILLING new details suggest Russian crash killing 224 was NO ACCIDENT



The black boxes are going to be critical with this one, depending on who has them and who's privy to the actual data.

Have read varying information, which is normal at this stage.

Some has the crew declaring technical/mechanical problems shortly after departing.

Others have them declaring technical/mechanical problems at cruise. FL310 seems kind of low for a cruise level, though there are several factors that could make that accurate.

To the best of my knowledge, the scumbag ISIS has nothing - S to A wise, that could reach that altitude - meaning if they were somehow involved - it would have had to have been something done on the ground prior to departing, or someone got something onboard and detonated airborne.

As with any aircraft disaster, speculation at this point is simply that. A lot possible. Russian aircraft and aircrew aren't known for their safety practices. Flying in that part of the world is sketchy - in fact we circumvent that entire area when possible.

Seems rather stupid for ISIS to make this claim. Putin isn't the weakling Obozo is, and whether ISIS is involved or not - I have little doubt Putin will use this to expand operations throughout that area.
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Who cares anyhow...
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Scarpini » 31 Oct 2015 12:21 pm wrote:
Who cares anyhow...


You truly are scum of the earth.
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danobivins » 31 Oct 2015 11:41 am wrote:
Naw, you beat off and scream "muzzies!" While staring at a portrait of Adolf.

This story does not belong in a political section, idiot.


Draino, we can talk about anything we want here, including the size of Cannon's cock and his sexual exploits!

Remember, son, you are NOTHING without the great cannon! :LOL:
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I pray this was not a US stinger missile supplied by the CIA to the "moderate" anti Assad rebels in Syria. That would be.....an issue.
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Obummerstinks » 31 Oct 2015 12:21 pm wrote:
rayj » 31 Oct 2015 11:27 am wrote:
Here we go....

CHILLING new details suggest Russian crash killing 224 was NO ACCIDENT



. Russian aircraft and aircrew aren't known for their safety practices. Flying in that part of the world is sketchy - in fact we circumvent that entire area when possible.

a.


Some Russian carriers have a sterling record, but yeah, many of them have terrible records because of low regulation, capitalist type corner cutting on crews, training and maintenance, and they even fine crews for failing to land on the first pass.
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danobivins » 31 Oct 2015 11:55 am wrote:
I have suggested this before, and I'll point it out again, if the IP address is checked, just for curiosity's sake, I'm nearly certain that rayj and nefarious are soks of one another.
Only game-playing kids with nothing to contribute use soks and post under them. Pathetic.

Imagine ^^ this moron whining about soks. :rofl:
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I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

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Facts suck when you're a progressive.

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British invented English, you know.
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danobivins » 31 Oct 2015 11:41 am wrote:
Naw, you beat off and scream "muzzies!" While staring at a portrait of Adolf.

This story does not belong in a political section, idiot.


Adolph and the Muslims were in bed together. They had mad gay sex with each other over the cremated bodies of their shared Jewish enemies.
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danobivins » 31 Oct 2015 1:11 pm wrote:
Obummerstinks » 31 Oct 2015 12:21 pm wrote:

. Russian aircraft and aircrew aren't known for their safety practices. Flying in that part of the world is sketchy - in fact we circumvent that entire area when possible.

a.


Some Russian carriers have a sterling record, but yeah, many of them have terrible records because of low regulation, capitalist type corner cutting on crews, training and maintenance, and they even fine crews for failing to land on the first pass.

Imagine the stupidity of claiming a socialist country doesn't have enough regulations. :rofl:
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ES » 07 Oct 2014 11:23 am wrote:
I've been doing face plants before your lies ever darkened any political forum.

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Facts suck when you're a progressive.

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British invented English, you know.
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NeoConvict » 31 Oct 2015 1:04 pm wrote:
I pray this was not a US stinger missile supplied by the CIA to the "moderate" anti Assad rebels in Syria. That would be.....an issue.


Hopefully the black box info will be put out with just the facts, not sure where those are going to for dissemination.

If it was a mechanical malfunction at 310, that would rule out a stinger. At the same time, there's only a few scenario's that should bring down an aircraft in cruise in a catastrophic manner.

Kamal, the Egyptian CAA Director, is being reported as saying there was no reported mx issue by the crew nor a request for an emergency landing. Looking at the pictures, it didn't come straight down - there are still sizeable pieces - which would be indicative of a stall scenario or at least having some control input capability.

Airbus has had a bunch of problems with their pitot-static system, and it sending bad info to the aircrafts various computer systems - which has resulted in some crashes. Don't know what the weather was at altitude, but would imagine it's fairly mellow as it generally is in that area. The primary reason I can't stand Airbus is they've attempted to make a pilot more or less a systems monitor monkey, which significantly reduces training the basics of stick and rudder and puts a premium on monitoring systems. Look no further than the AF 447 crash in the Atlantic for definition.

The aircraft was leased to this airline from an Irish company, which puts mx and crew in the airlines hands.
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