True Hidden Secret about Muslims and Jesus

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Posted by Cannonpointer
  20,586 11 Jan 2017, 5:02 pm

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QJ/WINcouncilof13 » 11 Jan 2017 6:45 am wrote:
The #1 reason that Christians give as their reason for not liking muslims is that they don't preach Jesus Christ. Aside from the fact that jesus himself never preached he was Christ, and never told anyone to preach that he was Christ - in fact- he sternly ordered his followers not to say that he was Christ. Muslims read the bible as well as the quran, and study the gospels and old testament intensely.
But it this saying SPOKEN BY JESUS HIMSELF that is the reason they don't talk about Jesus Christ.

"WATCH OUT THAT YOU ARE NOT DECEIVED, for many will come in my name, claiming that I am Christ, that I am He, and claiming "the time is near", and they will deceive many. FOLLOW THEM NOT"!
Matt:24:4, Luke 21:8, Mark 13:5

Jesus never publicly said he was Christ, he always called himself the "Son of Man".
The quote you cite says the opposite of what you claim. He is speaking of impostors saying, "I am Christ" - not of himself.

You claim he "sternly told his followers" not to call him the Christ - and then you cite no verse to back that mouth-stuff. Indeed, he stood still for precisely that behavior - disproving your thesis.

In John 20:28 Thomas falls to Jesus’ feet saying, “my Lord and my God!” and Jesus does not rebuke or correct Him. In John 5:18 Jesus “called God His Father, making himself equal with God.”
In John 1:1 we are told that “the Word [Jesus] was God”. John 8:58-59 speaks of Jesus' divinity both by talking about His eternal nature and also by using the name of God; “I AM” - – this should be compared with Exodus 3:14, 20:7, Leviticus 19:12 and 24:14-16. Would Jesus (an observant Jew) make such a claim and use the very name of God so casually in light of the teaching in these verses?
In John 10:30-33 Jesus says that He and the Father are one. John 10:38, 12:45 and 14:8-12 all contain clear teaching that Jesus and the Father are intimately connected.
Colossians 2:9 contains a explicit teaching of Christ's divinity, as does Timothy 2:13.
There are other verses which point to the divinity of Christ, including John 3:16, in which he is proclaimed the ONLY "begotten" son of God. Upon his rising from the dead, he advises Mary Magdelene, "Do not touch me, woman, for I have not yet ascended unto my Father."

The bible teaches he is the beggoten son of God, born of a virgin in Bethlehem of the line of David, precisely as scripture predicted the Messiah would come. We are told he defeated death twice, once by raising Lazarus and once by being raised himself - after which he ascended to heaven, having tasted death already.

You're welcome to parse scripture after scripture to impute new meaning in contravention to established understanding. Just don't expect high fives and cosigns, son. Too many scriptures and prophecies confute you.
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QJ/WINcouncilof13 » 11 Jan 2017 12:54 pm wrote:
I was trying to explain the basis for the conflict between Christians and Islam, Jews
Stopped you there and made you magically answer the question you raised.

QJ/WINcouncilof13 » 11 Jan 2017 12:54 pm wrote:
I could also talk about Judaiam and Islam, but the root of that conflict is simple. Isaac and Ishmael were both sons of Abraham, God chose to make a covenant with Isaac. So the Jews are the chosen people.
You babble the same tripe as teevee preachers, resorting to a moment which may be mythical, may be allegorical, and serves only the jews - and which you, yourself, do not believe really happened.

You do this to obscure the simple fact that a much more obvious and provable reason exists IN TODAY'S WORLD to explain the conflict: Interest bearing instruments. Islamo-Christian scriptures forbid these. The jews have corrupted the Christians and turned us against God's teaching in this matter.

The REAL issue between muslim and jew is that the muslim is being true to his scripture and the jew is being true to his nature.


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  20,586 12 Jan 2017, 10:09 pm

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QJ/WINcouncilof13 » 12 Jan 2017 9:04 pm wrote:

He didn't say many will come saying "they" are christ, he said many will come saying "I" am christ.

Also, when Peter said he thought the master was christ/messiah, his master said "The Father revealed this to you" - which suggest the master never said it. And then he ordered them to tell no one.

I never said that He wasn't one with God. That is a higher title than christ or prophet. King Cyrus the Great was called by god to be a messiah for Israel. Christ or Prophet is almost an insult when you are the son of, and one with, God.

I said in my OP that The Son of Man never taught or proclaimed publicly that he was christ, Peter said it and was told not to say it to anyone else. He allegedly admitted "privately" to the woman at the well that "I who speak to you am he", and he admitted to Caiphias that "you said it" when pressed to answer the question.

Then you refute me with someone falling at his feet and calling him God. Being One with God and The Son of God is a site different than Christ or Messiah.

I'm not talking about divinity, you are. You don't need to be divine to be a Christ or Messiah, as evidenced by King Cyrus.

A christ or messiah is all human, its almost an insult to call the only begotten son of God, who is one with God, a mere christ or prophet.

BUT HAVING NO CLUE ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, AND CHANGING THE SUBJECT THEN ARGUING IN FAVOR OF YOUR POINT, AS IF IT REFUTES ANOTHER'S POINT, IS WHAT YOU DO BEST. JUST LIKE A GOOD JEW.
:die: :die: :die:

I'm sticking with Islamo-Christian tradition, juden.
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  20,586 12 Jan 2017, 10:51 pm

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QJ/WINcouncilof13 » 12 Jan 2017 9:15 pm wrote:
Good, if jesus and the woman at the well were the only ones there when he said "i that speak to you and he", how did it get written down if they were the only 2 there and they didn't write it. Genius.
Well, this question proves your thesis, I guess - in Gaylandia. :drool:
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QJ/WINcouncilof13 » 12 Jan 2017 8:50 pm wrote:
How does what you say refute me? Read what I wrote, not you you dyslexically read. How is what he said to the women "privately" at the well a public declaration or teaching. You and cannonpointer like to twist what i say then offer support for your twists.
Psst.

Hey, jaggov.

You have spent your life studiously avoiding religion and the morality associated with it. Now, on your death bed, some Imam comes to visit you and "hips" you to a "secret" that you think is a shiny diamond of understanding - and you come prattling it on a political chat board. NATURALLY, those with more than a smidgen of understanding of ACTUAL Christian scriptures confute you, ya dumbass.

But you cannot let go of your shiny diamond.

Forgive us if we chuckle at you, ya broke down, used up sell-out.

Make your peace with God, boy - but try to do it more quietly. :rolleyes:
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  20,586 13 Jan 2017, 12:11 pm

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nefarious101 » 13 Jan 2017 9:24 am wrote:
if it's a hidden secret...how did you find out about it?
He's in hospice, dying for a living. He got a visit from an Imam.

He'll probably try to toddle his ass out of there and fashion an IED to take some school kids to valhalla with him.
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