Would you atheists prefer that there was an "Afterlife"?

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  1,439 11 Jan 2017, 11:16 am


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well i guess it would be nice if there was a nice afterlife, and i guess it would be bad if there was a bad afterlife. I have no desire to believe anything at all...i believe things that seem probable and I dont believe things that seem improbable. A lot of truths are quite horrible, and thats just how truth is. The only desire i have at all regarding truth is that i want my beliefs to be as close to truth as possible.
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Cannonpointer » 11 Jan 2017 10:20 am wrote:
charles.thompson » 11 Jan 2017 10:16 am wrote:
well i guess it would be nice if there was a nice afterlife, and i guess it would be bad if there was a bad afterlife. I have no desire to believe anything at all...i believe things that seem probable and I dont believe things that seem improbable. A lot of truths are quite horrible, and thats just how truth is. The only desire i have at all regarding truth is that i want my beliefs to be as close to truth as possible.
Afterlife seems quite probable and its absence seems improbably, logically speaking. Energy doesn't disappear - the energy which leaves this body upon its death goes somewh


Consciousness and energy are different things.
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Cannonpointer » 11 Jan 2017 10:34 am wrote:
charles.thompson » 11 Jan 2017 10:22 am wrote:

Consciousness and energy are different things.
Okay - where is consciousness seated in the body - what part of the brain will I find it in if I dig with a spoon?

You can parse all ya want, but when that "consciousness" (energy, spirit, soul) leaves the body, it's meat. What leaves it - choose a name that warms your cockles - IS NOT MEAT.


consciousness is an emergent property. This is like asking what part of a piano a chopin nocturne is stored.

Im sure you dont recall any memories before your birth. Thats because your consciousness did not exist yet. I dont see why it seems to be difficult for you to imagine a state that you have already basically 'experienced'.
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Annoyed Liberall » 11 Jan 2017 10:34 am wrote:
Cannonpointer » 11 Jan 2017 10:21 am wrote:
Annoyed Liberall » 11 Jan 2017 10:19 am wrote:
I feel sorry for you.
Why?

I haven't tracked him down yet. :ninja:

Because of his closed mind. I am going to do a pendulum session for him.
I will ask his higher self to join with my higher self to cleanse the bad energy and allow him to open his mind.


You ever read 1984 by george orwell? I guess its a closed mind that will not accept that 2+2 = 5.
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Cannonpointer » 11 Jan 2017 2:47 pm wrote:
charles.thompson » 11 Jan 2017 11:18 am wrote:
consciousness is an emergent property. This is like asking what part of a piano a chopin nocturne is stored.

Im sure you dont recall any memories before your birth. Thats because your consciousness did not exist yet. I dont see why it seems to be difficult for you to imagine a state that you have already basically 'experienced'.
Well, now - that's a load of crap from facts not in evidence.

You have no more knowledge of the pre-life than you do of the after-life, yet you live in a sad pretense that you do.

My only thesis is that I am more than meat - and that when the energy we call "life" leaves my body, energy does not - as you impute - simply cease to exist.


I fully support the pragmatic notion that some humans probably require religion for them to act civilized. I have no issue with that.
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Cannonpointer » 11 Jan 2017 3:21 pm wrote:
charles.thompson » 11 Jan 2017 3:15 pm wrote:
I fully support the pragmatic notion that some humans probably require religion for them to act civilized. I have no issue with that.
I espoused no religious view.

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail, kid.

Good luck with your simple formula for "winning" - next time. It failed you this time, meat boi.


the 'nail' here is that you are apparently unable to really grasp the concept of an emergent property.

There are, of course, superstitious savages who would probably think that if I play chopin on a piano, that the music is somehow trapped inside the piano, and if the piano is destroyed the music would 'go somewhere'...as 'energy' or something. Its perfectly fine for you to accuse me of arrogance that I dismiss this sort of thinking. It is indeed a sort of arrogance. But naturally, that doesnt make it wrong.
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