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Part of the Art that so called rich billionaires utilize to Corrupt the people like Trump uses so well.

First, I learned this in school, the mosaic tobacco virus. It took a real scientist to figure out long ago that there was a disease nobody knew that infected the tobacco plant.
He spent his days pulverizing tobacco leaves and pushing them through mesh filters, again and again, until finally, like a microbiologist he figured it was something smaller, but still a piece of RNA,
a viral particle. Took a long time.

Ever wonder about CRISPR, clustered regularly interspaced short palindrophic repeats, how the knowledge of it came about? It came from microbiologist who studied bacteria that were infected with viruses. They noted that somehow bacteria have their own independent way of immunity in which to deal with viruses. And they were employed by cheese and yogurt manufacturers.
But Why, that was the question a Scientist one woman from the University of Berkeley asked. The enzymes that bacteria manufacture, that fight off a new viral particle was the only clue. 

Everyone knows proteins made by cells are bizarre and how could you unfold them, it's a crazy game. How could bacteria, single cell life with a thin cell wall do that? And its **** amazing to say the least.

And then, there's mRNA, the new vaccines to fight the SARS CoV-2 - did you know that mRNA is the new forefront to fight against a lot of disease, including cancer, and even malaria?

This all comes from raw scientific research from places like the NIH, where we as tax payers spend billions each and every year?

And off the hook, Billionaires who don't know **** profit. People like Trump, who filed bankruptcy, what 6 times, some guy who fights and loses in court thousands of times and now somehow thinks he can take a huge dump on our democracy, and he gets away with it... oh Come on Ted Cruz, you are an *******, who doesn't know that?

Trump recently said, Pfizer planned to announce its successful vaccine after the election because he was just about to reduce the high cost of medicine. Or maybe, just maybe could it be Mr. ******* Trump, you're just saying that after you lost the election. I mean you could have done it a year or two ago. You could have done it before the pandemic when the greatest economy ever that you created was going strong. But oh no, you had to wait. 

You're a dick. And we all know that it did take a Russian Microbiologist to figure that much out firsthand about the Tobacco Mosaic Virus. 
And this was before Tolstoy wrote his famous book, "War and Peace",  almost like he was saying,
Donald Trump, you stupid **** Moron!!!

 
 



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Part of the Art that so called rich billionaires utilize to Corrupt the people like Trump uses so well.

First, I learned this in school, the mosaic tobacco virus. It took a real scientist to figure out long ago that there was a disease nobody knew that infected the tobacco plant.
He spent his days pulverizing tobacco leaves and pushing them through mesh filters, again and again, until finally, like a microbiologist he figured it was something smaller, but still a piece of RNA,
a viral particle. Took a long time.

Ever wonder about CRISPR, clustered regularly interspaced short palindrophic repeats, how the knowledge of it came about? It came from microbiologist who studied bacteria that were infected with viruses. They noted that somehow bacteria have their own independent way of immunity in which to deal with viruses. And they were employed by cheese and yogurt manufacturers.
But Why, that was the question a Scientist one woman from the University of Berkeley asked. The enzymes that bacteria manufacture, that fight off a new viral particle was the only clue. 

Everyone knows proteins made by cells are bizarre and how could you unfold them, it's a crazy game. How could bacteria, single cell life with a thin cell wall do that? And its **** amazing to say the least.

And then, there's mRNA, the new vaccines to fight the SARS CoV-2 - did you know that mRNA is the new forefront to fight against a lot of disease, including cancer, and even malaria?

This all comes from raw scientific research from places like the NIH, where we as tax payers spend billions each and every year?

And off the hook, Billionaires who don't know **** profit. People like Trump, who filed bankruptcy, what 6 times, some guy who fights and loses in court thousands of times and now somehow thinks he can take a huge dump on our democracy, and he gets away with it... oh Come on Ted Cruz, you are an *******, who doesn't know that?

Trump recently said, Pfizer planned to announce its successful vaccine after the election because he was just about to reduce the high cost of medicine. Or maybe, just maybe could it be Mr. ******* Trump, you're just saying that after you lost the election. I mean you could have done it a year or two ago. You could have done it before the pandemic when the greatest economy ever that you created was going strong. But oh no, you had to wait. 

You're a dick. And we all know that it did take a Russian Microbiologist to figure that much out firsthand about the Tobacco Mosaic Virus. 
And this was before Tolstoy wrote his famous book, "War and Peace",  almost like he was saying,
Donald Trump, you stupid **** Moron!!!

 
 

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absolutely. I sometimes watch what voters on the right say. They besmirch globalism, and rightly so. Clinton pushed through a lot of NEOLIBERAL legislation, Robert Rubin made millions, they kind of just outright said, hey, go back to school, learn something new, your ****, see if we give a damn.
Gore at the time said he invented the WWW. Nice job Gore. Gore came from a family of Tobacco Family rich folk. I like Gore, later on, he's right, I'm thankful he took up the mantle regarding change regarding dealing with Climate Change. But come on, locked box regarding Social Security_ I mean, really, you couldn't do better than that ****? Bill Bradley, who was a very good professional basketball player in his day, ran against Gore in the primary that year. Bill Bradley was my man. Bradley's dad was a banker, a small town Banker, you know the old world sort of Banker.
Bradley completely understood FDR's plan regarding SS, and a whole lot more. It bothered me a whole lot that Democrats chose Gore over Bradley, but then again, I'm an Independent, always was.
 

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If the Democrats do not take hold of the Senate in January, the next big gig is the realization for the Republicans that Biden is virtually a one term kind of guy considering his age.
First order of business is to get past this pandemic no two ways about it. It does not serve even someone like Mitch to **** with that sentiment, all things political being somewhat equal regarding
the fight for power.
Meanwhile, and this is important, meanwhile new voters will come of age in two years. Now we all know historically the midterm elections always favor the opposite party that currently holds the presidency --- but that could change, maybe.

Climate change is not just big news, its in your face, its in the face of the world. Immigration, no small issue. Its huge. Healthcare, ha ha ha. yeah...
Where you going with it Republicans, what's your Frickin' plan???
QAnon, oh QAnon, are you telling me that Democrats are all pedophiles, they got this big conspiracy to steal all the children and make sex toys out of them, like they stole the playbook from Catholic Priest, is that right? Is that right Cardinal!!!

What does it matter if the courts are all ruled by Right-Wing Judges? 
Well, you have to show them how much they **** suck, legalistically 
with the laws that are on the book. You got to rub the **** in their faces.
(legal talk, usually held in the back rooms, the average person on the street wouldn't understand the terminology, but they'd still get the gist)

Don't give up the fight progressives!!! 

Let's save the world and our democracy, for both sides. Fighting words I know. 
The truth is, we have not begun to fight!
{plan B from the old playbook, wild cat strike, all service people, and hell yes, all you techies, stand up, rise up, its not too late, to whip it, whip it good!!!}
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progressivecitizen » 08 Nov 2020, 3:26 pm » wrote: I have noticed a couple of typical strategies on the part of Rs when faced with question about their moral corruption:
1. Repeating back the same accusation: when told they limit themselves with rigid belief systems for example, they will claim we are doing the same.
2. False equivalency: When corruption of their politicians is pointed out, they will say our politicians are also corrupt, conveniently (or stupidly) ignoring the huge difference in degree or damage caused.

Does anyone know of a site or video we can go to to get some good strategies for how to decimate these R arguments right out of the gate? There must be info out there but for some reason I've found none.

you aren't the only one. It should be more than obvious by now. 
Yes, they project. When you point out what they do wrong, it's almost like a new thing they can accuse you of doing. How could you, they shout!!!
Hey, they're all corrupt. Any two ways you look at it. I mean we are just you know, well, maybe we have a couple of minor flaws, but come on man, those people, they're all Marxist!!!
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not just Trump but the Republicans in power.
Trump is incompetent, he's a narcissist of high order.
He has no interest in learning a damn thing about how things works, he's completely transactional, as in, what will benefit me, Donald Trump, always was from the start of his life.
But, and this is important, they knew this about him. They also knew their economic ideals do not benefit the growth of the middle class, in fact, their economic ideals do the opposite.
They are not dumb people. Most of them went to the best Universities in the world. Many of them are rich, in the top of the one percent class.
Maybe they might understand that climate change is real, but they deny it because it keeps them in power. They don't give a damn about the future, they don't give a damn about governing,
they don't care.
In Canada they're all saying, they wouldn't budge, they wouldn't move, they wouldn't listen.
They lost their soul, in the Great Vast lands of North America, they stole all the virtue, just like in the Gilded Age, and got fat on the hog.
yeah they all did, they are Hosers!!!
 

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Trump is not the only one who is transactional and only cares about himself. Almost all of the Republicans in the Senate are the same as Trump. How could they not be.
You say, Trump get out of the way. Well, I say, hey, why aren't any of the Republicans saying a damn thing about this crazy *** bastard who from the start called for Putin's help to get elected.
Oh, well sure, he says he was just joking, but they did, and he did get elected with their help.
Trump says, I got a handful of judicial judges all hand picked from the Federalist Society, Trump released all of their names, so they would know he was not joking. They ate it up, they took the bait. They made Trump, took years and years of propaganda, they built their foundation that was fundamental to their cause which was to lower taxes for the rich and to remove all regulatory barriers so that the corporate leaders who paid them off could do what they like.

When did supply-side economics ever pay off for the average worker, ask yourself this. The answer is never. Not in the history of the Republic. Not in the history of democracy. And its not like nobody is keeping score. Every damn time a Republican gets into office the debt grows higher. And when they lose, they all cry out --- your going to drive this country into deep debt, your going to sell your children's future off to high taxation, of which to such and such a degree there will be no way to ever dig their way out.
And, they are climate change deniers to boot. It's actually criminal what they are doing.
They are **** heads. Ted Cruz is an *******, even most of them agree. But he's their Senator in Texas. And they are all *******.
I'm sorry, but it's as simple as that.
I wish I could be better with words. I wish I could be more like RBG, but I'm not.

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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is the first US Secretary of State to visit an Israeli settlement in Palestine. Ask yourself, just what does that portend regarding any kind of mediation towards true peace for Palestine or for Israel.

When I was a young man, a good friend of mine, a catholic from Palestine whom I used to play football with on the weekends said, they divide us, and they even divide themselves, they don't even know who we are, when you are torn down, when people have their lands taken away and they are left with a police state, the kids never forget.

Why don't they think about the children. Their own children?

I know and work with people who came from Iraq, Croatia, Afghanistan, and Israel too. What about you, Mike...I'm sorry but wTF...
I thought a US Secretary of State would give credence to all people in a fair and justified way. and not be such a dick!
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So we would suggest that presidential power needs to be limited, but then, what about the legislature and the nature of our representative government that creates all the laws, and all of our governmental expenditures.

How could we instill a new ideal whereas people somehow believe in the power of their government by the people for the people, to protect our workers, to grow and not decimate the middle class? To what end, when we think of free markets, do we require regulations to ensure more and not less equality for all?

Where is the sponsorship that protects the goal of an economic sustainability along with workers rights, along with environmental protections to preserves clean water, clean air, instead of the toxic wasteland that too many are forced to grow up in.

Isn't that an important question to ask?

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https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspecti ... ople-first

The worth of a nation, everything it has, and the worth of goods, the ability to achieve some way to collectively ensure that a free market can be sustainable is to understand what is possible, and the people it involves, which is all, everyone.
The old world scarcity economics never worked in the old world. It does not work now.
This is not to say that there are not finite resources, there most certainly are, and this is vitally important to understand.

History is important. If you were to take a glimpse of what happened during any dark age, where most people died, and the sufferings continues onward for decades due to any lack of 
knowledge, almost no automation, when it was easy to perish even for the richest that lived.

There were decades of time, even longer, when filth and pollution soiled the air and disease was rampant, and a hundred slaves could not produce in a year what ten men could do today in a day.
The first order of the day today is to think. The first order is to take even drastic measures when they become necessary to do so. And then, the idea is to rethink just how you made it work.

And the truth is, you cannot be short-sided, but you do need to realize what is needed today. If you have a pandemic, the virus is going to be out there until it's gone or mostly gone. If it is not, it will come back, again and again. 



 
 

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You are both right. Progressive Citizen and Bludog.
The true leader would tell the truth, that's why they should be considered as a leader.
Nobody is right all the time. There is a system which is powerful which allows people to reach a certain position.
How does that person then speak the truth, even if it means they will lose their position of leadership.
So there are divisions regarding basic premises of how to govern, what is the best long-term way to get from point A to point B.
And that makes sense, nobody knows it all, or understands completely how to make the world a better place.

You want fairness, and you want both sides to listen and to work together to hopefully suss out or discover a better path.
Oh but wait... that's what we call democracy. That's what we call remembering history, learning from all our own collective mistakes.
 

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Why am I a progressive, why do I wish for more FDR style economics, or why do I wish our government could create some really huge projects, like the hoover damn, the highway system we now have, the subway system in New York, a reduced 40 hour work week for maybe most, etc... 

Why do I care about the environment, about human rights, about a fairness in our immigration policy, oh why do I care about all of that???

Who would come up to me from the Right and ask me why I care about all of these things, and try to understand my thoughts?



 

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Always appreciated Van Jones. He'd make a great president. A true leader understands a lot of the problems average people face in an ugly world. Life is not easy, never was it.
Van Jones is sharp intellectually and somebody who is a terrific thinker on his feet. And sadly that's rare, at least it's rare in the public eye. There are some really great people in the world you never hear much about. Thank God, or if your an atheist, thank the morality or the grace that all good people hold.

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I'm pro-choice but I also agree that abortion should be extremely rare. How do you reduce abortions that could be avoided? I don't think taking away the women's right to their own body is the way. This is from history when anti-abortion laws only killed women and did not alleviate the problem. Possibly in many ways it made it worse.
It's a complicated issue, human suffering, awareness about sex, etc... It's about educating more women, and men too. Like many issues that divide us, this issue should not, but it still does.
I really think it would help if cooler heads prevailed on this discussion. Leaders who care, leaders who have moral forethought, those who can see how people live and what is needed to reduce abortions, those who do not divide the two sides for political reasons. Is that even possible? I hope so.

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Coolguy10013 » 21 Nov 2020, 8:29 pm » wrote: This is true, but it seems like when he got in office, things have gone backwards. Hopefully, we can start moving forward again.
Definitely!!!

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This morning I watched a historian on CSPAN discuss Lincoln's address at Gettysburg. Lincoln himself was born only a generation away from what he called the men of iron, who wrote the Declaration of Independence. The world was watching the US closely back then as well. This was the first time in the history of human kind that people could actually attain any true freedom. Before then most people all over the world were serfs or slaves, or indentured to others in some way, either by rich landowners, and or Kings and Queens, or religious authoritarians. 

Today the world is wondering if the US can hold onto true democracy. And they are also wondering if the US can return to the FDR style of economic prosperity. The world over, we know that climate change is real and to truly mitigate the damage done as well as get off fossil fuels and rid ourselves of horrid inequality, we must change our ways post haste. 

The struggle to do so even within the US is a great challenge. Then, think about other poorer countries like say India where they have a billion or more people, most in destitute poverty. Dealing with climate change is much like dealing with a pandemic in that you can't just solve the problem in your own neighborhood, you need to solve the problem all over. And to do this you are going to need 
a whole lot of commitment from all countries. You are going to need rich countries to step in to help poorer countries in a huge way. And we already know that globalism as it stands now is not even close to solving any of these problems. 

Anyway, thinking back to Lincoln's address it kind of gives you some hope that things can change. Lincoln knew it would take a long time. How much time do we really have though regarding climate change? I will tell you this, the world is watching what happens here in big big way. The things we do here matter a great deal to the rest of the world, and to future generations of all people everywhere.
 
 
 

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Well I feel much better now that Biden and Harris have won, however, we need the senate. Mitch is bad news for any change at all. It's gonna be a big day on Jan 5. I'm kind of sweating bullets over the outcome.

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I recently sent this to my Sister in Michigan who is a Trump supporter. I doubt she ever listened to it. Someone like Abigail makes simple valid points that I think any rational person would agree with and they are not designed to be one-sided.

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Coolguy10013 » 21 Nov 2020, 8:08 pm » wrote: I hear what you're saying. 

Personally, I get a huge kick out them debunking his junk. Hopefully, he'll be a complete afterthought after the inauguration.

It would be nice if folks didn't get all their news from the three big Cable news sources. Trump in my opinion is a criminal, and he has taken a major dump on our democracy. Meanwhile the Republican politicians look the other way because they are afraid of his 73 million voter base. 
But then, it's a big country and a big world. There are whole lot more problems to focus on that didn't all start when Trump got elected.

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progressivecitizen » 19 Nov 2020, 8:54 pm » wrote: A new technique I am trying is to not engage point by point with their claims, but rather to sail right over what they say, showing that it doesn't deserve to be responded to, and coming at them from the rear, telling them they don't have to be manipulated by the Rs if they exercise critical thinking, etc. In other words talk to them like, "Poor baby, you ARE brainwashed aren't you? Do you really want to let them keep kicking you in the face?"

Thoughts?

And what's the "peanut gallery"?
sometimes I would agree with what you're saying here. They will interview a Trump supporter at a rally who says Covid-19 is no worse than the flu, and I'm not afraid. The reporter doesn't say, well what do you do when the hospitals are all filled up? Maybe you aren't afraid for yourself, but if we don't find a way to decimate the virus we'll never be able to restore our economy.



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