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WillFranklin » Today, 7:58 am » wrote: You don't have mere 2.2% GDP growth if it is a booming economy.
Sure you do, when you've been left with a staggering, stagnant economy with only a 1.6% GDP growth that Obama left with in his last year and grow it from there.

You don't have 400,000 people making $7.25 an hour, which won't pay rent in any state, in a booming economy.
Sure you do, when most of those earning that much DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A JOB before Trump took office!

You don't have 100 million people without health insurance in a booming economy.
Sure you do, when you lie about the number as you do.  How did you arrive at that ridiculous figure?  Pull a number out of your ***, multiply it by 3, and purport it to be accurate?  The number of uninsured is less than 33 million, MOST OF WHOM HAVE MADE IT THEIR CHOICE to do without it, knowing that hospitals are obligated to care for ANY person showing up whether they can pay or not!

If you have a booming economy then it could survive a crisis.
Oh, now we didn't survive and are in the midst of a V shaped recovery?  The fact is we were able to survive the pandemic STRICTLY BECAUSE our economy was so strong when it hit, that there will be very little long-term damage to the economy, except in the Democrat-controlled cities who are desperately trying to remain closed, hoping that it will help Biden and his moribund campaign!
 
Give it a rest, muttonhead!  All your whining coupled with your stupid lies don't fool even the dumbest American who clearly knows far more than a dope like you!
 

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WillFranklin » Today, 2:14 am » wrote: There was no economic boom with Trump, not ever, never by the numbers, you lying shill.

Noting in the actual numbers show any benefit to the nation from the Trump Tax Scam. No benefits to Real Wages, not GDP growth, and not jobs.

Trump did not add more jobs per month than Obama. Trump did not grow GDP better than Obama.

All the tax scam did was pad the wallets of the wealthy more and increase income disparity and wealth disparity to Depression Era levels.
It's quite simple.  You're a clueless buffoon whose hatred for Trump is so deep it allows you to blind yourself to the obvious.  You don't get RECORD LOW UNEMPLOYMENT LEVELS without a booming economy. You don't lift MILLIONS OUT OF POVERTY without an economy that's booming.  You don't have over 4 MILLION PEOPLE no longer needing food stamps to survive without a booming economy.  You don't RAISE MEDIAN WAGES BY 6.8% in 2019 without a booming economy.  You don't SET A RECORD LOW POVERTY RATE OF 10.5% without a booming economy.  And finally, you don't see SHARP INCREASES IN BOTH CONSUMER CONFIDENCE AND BUSINESS CONFIDENCE without a booming economy.

So yank your fat stupid head out of your *** and admit the fact that you don't know what the **** you're talking about!
 
 

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WillFranklin » Today, 2:18 am » wrote: Very old out-of-context clips posted in a thread asking about current proposals is a shameful act of desperation, and not typical of you, shoog.

 
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, and... ya cain't fool me twice...

Tell ya what, chicken hawk. I'll let you "explain the context" of a war monger's desperate last gasp for the presidency. It'll be fun to see if you can convince anyone his next 47 years in government will be better than his first 47 - good luck with that, shoog.

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WillFranklin » Yesterday, 2:36 pm » wrote: He is an hour from me sort of, across the border in SC.

I could have sworn I started the whole "Lindsey Belle" name in a thread when I got mad at him over his 2017 health care bill and posted this doll with Lindsey Belle in the thread title. But then again it is entirely possible that the name was already floating around in our forums.


 

Yeah.....it was me.....in teacher's forum.

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WillFranklin » Yesterday, 3:44 pm » wrote: A small percentage of  a low income is peanuts. Then their government benefits get cut. But a small percentage of a millionaire's salary is a lot. That's a ton of extra cash going back to each millionaire. Then the PERMANENT CORPORATE TAX CUTS were the biggest swindle and where the most money went. Don't lie and hide that, liar. But this is also on top of the fact that the millionaire and his corporation is paying many workers starvation wages and no benefits, and then not paying taxes to provide those benefits the poor sick starving workers need from the government. But these greedy corporations somehow expect their underpaid uncovered workers to show up health and be super productive.

Obama added more jobs per month than Trump and did better on GDP, though the difference is small.

Trump tried to build an economy on starvation wages and no health benefits and it failed miserably, nothing like his pie in the sky promises.
Only liberal dopes with no comprehension whatsoever could possibly believe the the Trump economic boom and record low unemployment rates would have taken place WITHOUT the tax cuts that the successful businesses received.  Those great unemployment figures, coupled with the lifting of MILLIONS out of poverty is what will continue the robust economy for years to come!  Unless, of course, you're the first guy to get a job from a poor person. Tell me that's true and I'll admit I know NOTHING about the economic boom under Trump!  
 

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WillFranklin » Yesterday, 3:19 pm » wrote: You are awarded the Open Sewer argument award in the Xenophobia Category!

The leprosy boils on your open sewer position that you piled on with:

a) the unproven assumption that immigration is happening in relatively massive numbers

b) that most if not all of these immigrants are filling low paid positions

a. because they are as you put it undocumented in sanctuary cities.

b. like drug mules, prostitution, etc.
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WillFranklin » Yesterday, 3:27 pm » wrote: You are awarded the Open Sewer argument award in the Xenophobia Category!

The leprosy boils on your open sewer position that you piled on with:

a) the unproven assumption that immigration is happening in relatively massive numbers

b) that most if not all of these immigrants are filling low paid positions



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My bad, tardo - I go to home dept to get a surgeon, not a manual laborer.    
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WillFranklin » Yesterday, 2:42 pm » wrote: In dollars and cents, the rich got much more. Small percentiles OF RELATIVELY SMALL EARNINGS don't amount to much. All you DO day and night is lie to pad the wealthy.
Percentages DON'T LIE, you fool!  OF COURSE those who paid the most taxes got more of the tax cut EXACTLY AS THEY SHOULD HAVE!  But that's not the argument YOU make, is it?  No, you lie and swear it was all a tax cut for the "rich" when a 14.5% tax cut IS A HUGE bite of the taxes the working class received!

And stop trying to blame Obama for the Great Recession he inherited, which started in 2008 before he was in office. We know that is why you want to focus on his first two years.
FALSE!  NO ONE considered it a "great" recession until Obama was elected in November and caused the crash as a result of his campaign promises and how he planned to "level the playing field" and "share the wealth"!  Those of us in business knew EXACTLY what was coming and took the necessary measures to protect ourselves and our businesses from the coming calamity!  It was only considered a "GREAT RECESSION" AFTER Obama was elected, and I dare you to find ONE PUNDIT who claimed otherwise!  Obama CAUSED IT, so he OWNS it!  And THAT is why a biased fraud like you wants to pick Obama's best two years to compare with Trump's only two, which will be MUCH better than Obama's final two in Trump's 7th and 8th years in office.  Talk to me then, scumbag!

Stop being a stupid liar and admit the difference between the Bush Economy of January 2009, and the Obama Economy of January 2017, because that's what gets handed to the next guy. 
You can go ahead and ignore the damage that Obama's election did from the day he was elected if you want, but those of us in business at the time knew EXACTLY what would be coming from the stupidest "community organizer" socialist that ever got elected in our lifetime!  Obama promised huge tax hikes, massive business regulations, a new socialist healthcare plan, wasting hundreds of billions on the hoax of global warming and "green energy", and an antagonistic approach to business as promised to Joe the Plumber in a video that went viral.  You expect me to deny that I was right at that time when I immediately froze hiring, cancelled equipment purchases for expanding with a new line as I was planning, didn't replace one worker who left while laying off another as we cut down our inventory drastically?  I took the measures necessary to survive just as so many other businesses did!  And I managed just fine as I watched millions of other businesses my size go broke, lay off workers or close up shop and lose their life savings, their entire business, and in some cases, even their homes to the **** up economy that Obama had wrought! 

And talk about any metric, Obama achieved better GDP results than Trump and that is how it is measured.
****!  I've shown you proof no less than 3 times that there IS NOT simply one metric used to measure economic strength, and GDP is simply one of the few where Trump's economic numbers were only slightly lower than Obama's, while kicking his *** in virtually every metric!  But facts are something you can't handle, so you continually have to beat that same dead horse and lie about it! 
 
 

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WillFranklin » 26 Sep 2020, 2:31 pm » wrote: Trump's GDP numbers were no better after being HANDED the recovery because he starved us working class people.

400,000 make exactly $7.25 an hour.

Many make $7.50 an hour.

100 million have no health insurance
Plus unemployment figures are basically rigged. 

Unemployment is closer to 20% than the Bureau of Labor Statistics' 9% or so.  People who stop looking for work are not counted as unemployed.  If you're furloughed your not counted.  And if you work one hour a week, they count you as employed.
 
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WillFranklin » Yesterday, 3:11 pm » wrote: Well feel free to prove to someone with a math degree USING MOTHER GOVERNMENT NUMBERS that the big brown takeover from the south is happening.

And then go back and read me, rookie, and see where I said the number of immigrant workers is relatively small and fills a wide variety of positions that may otherwise not be filled in many cases, so therefore is a strength in diversity. Don't assume that positions that we have trouble filling are all low paid ones either.
I take the vomit above as your knee-delivered gratitude to donald milhouse trump for stopping the mass immigration that has lowered american wages, cato breath.

Do you deny that the mass immigration wave that doesn't exist is being mistreated then, shoog? You dont get to have them being mistreated, if they aren't there, shoog.

 
 
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WillFranklin » Yesterday, 3:01 pm » wrote: Right.

And next is where I remind you that a border wall does me no good, but Medicare For All helps everyone EVEN IF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS GET THE COVERAGE!!

SHOOG!

What are you talking about, "undocumented immigrants?"

Like you said, who the heck wants to come to this mess, from such lovely places as guatemala and el salvador? CERTAINLY not in any relevant numbers, for Pete's sake... It's just a drib here and a drab there - not enough to reduce wages...

And it's only the most technical jobs imaginable, like surgeons and chicken processors.    
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WillFranklin » Yesterday, 2:58 pm » wrote: No, he has to prove that mass immigration EXISTS!

And diversity does not mean all low paying jobs, xenophobe.
You can post anything is possible, never accepting what isn't, then denounce anything that isn't factualized by statistically averaging studies. Life doesn't operate statistically.
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WillFranklin » Yesterday, 2:58 pm » wrote: No, he has to prove that mass immigration EXISTS!

And diversity does not mean all low paying jobs, xenophobe.
I see.

So we don't even HAVE mass immigration - we're all seeing things.           

Okay, shoog - have fun with that. Say hi to the fellas at CATO for me.  
 
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WillFranklin » Yesterday, 2:57 pm » wrote: Your initial **** assertion that immigration is occurring in relatively large numbers, mass immigration as you say, is unproven and frankly false.

All you have is an argument against diversity, which doesn't play well anymore.
Illegals numbnuts. You separate that thinking you can get away with bait and switch statistical data.
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WillFranklin » Yesterday, 2:51 pm » wrote: But wait, who is defending that?
You, shoog - when you threatened to peanut gallery FOS unless he could link to some proof that mass immigration jimmy-**** our wages.
WillFranklin » Yesterday, 2:51 pm » wrote: I am saying that what we get is necessary to fill unfilled positions, and is a relatively small number across widely varying areas.
Yeah, yeah - in some posts. In others you defend mass immigration. And all this **** amounts to ^ is a pretty lie invented by right wing think tanks. CATO breath.
WillFranklin » Yesterday, 2:51 pm » wrote: That's not mass immigration unless you are xenophobic and want a wall more than health coverage.
And there it is - right on cue. Protecting our workers from impoverished replacements is "raaaaacist." That's the big CATO lie, right there, Heritage boy. "How will we EVER teach Americans to process chicken? It's impossible!" Let's all load up our PNAC baskets and go for an outing with shoog.
 
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WillFranklin » Yesterday, 4:30 am » wrote: Either provide a link for this assertion or it gets sent away. Immigration is essential to our economy.
Are you familiar with supply and demand?

Oh you only know how to "demand being suppied.".
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WillFranklin » Yesterday, 2:49 pm » wrote: I am saying that many of our positions aren't filled until an immigrant comes in, shoog. And I tried to give you an idea of the vast range, yet relatively small number of them.
You also defended mass immigration - so you're all over the board and not a credible arguant. What you argue for in post 1 and what you argue for in post 2 are entirely different things, after you move the goal posts.

The **** notion that we need guatemalans or you will be out of wings is PRECISELY what wall street pushes. PRECISELY.

Diversity is our strength - especially when it means cheap **** labor. Are you a republican, shoog?
 
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WillFranklin » Yesterday, 4:30 am » wrote: Either provide a link for this assertion or it gets sent away. Immigration is essential to our economy.

this is just basic economics. A large supply of labor reduces the demand of labor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

Meanwhile your assertion that immigration is essential for economy is obviously false empirically because many countries today and in the past have had perfectly functional economies without immigration.

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WillFranklin » Yesterday, 2:42 pm » wrote: In dollars and cents, the rich got much more. Small percentiles OF RELATIVELY SMALL EARNINGS don't amount to much. All you DO day and night is lie to pad the wealthy.

 
He doesn't defend mass immigration, though. Gotta give him that.  
 
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