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Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by DennisTheMenace » 03 Jul 2020, 9:46 am

Trump is clearly asleep at the wheel.  Nothing new.  He's a world class *******. He's a desperate little ****. His reelection prospects are about as strong as Jimmy Carter's was in 1980.

The Chief of the Oglala Sioux nation doesn't want him there for many reasons.  Can he take a hint?

Trump is the great divider.


SIOUX FALLS, S.D. — President Donald Trump’s plans to kick off Independence Day with a showy display at Mount Rushmore are drawing sharp criticism from Native Americans who view the monument as a desecration of land violently stolen from them and used to pay homage to leaders hostile to native people.

Several groups led by Native American activists are planning protests for Trump’s July 3 visit, part of Trump's “comeback” campaign for a nation reeling from sickness, unemployment and, recently, social unrest. The event is slated to include fighter jets thundering over the 79-year-old stone monument in South Dakota's Black Hills and the first fireworks display at the site since 2009.

But it comes amid a national reckoning over racism and a reconsideration of the symbolism of monuments around the globe. Many Native Americans activists say the Rushmore memorial is as reprehensible as the many Confederate monuments being toppled around the nation.

“Mount Rushmore is a symbol of white supremacy, of structural racism that’s still alive and well in society today,” said Nick Tilsen, a member of the Oglala Lakota tribe and the president of a local activist organization called NDN Collective. “It’s an injustice to actively steal Indigenous people’s land then carve the white faces of the conquerors who committed genocide.

While some activists, like Tilsen, want to see the monument removed altogether and the Black Hills returned to the Lakota, others have called for a share in the economic benefits from the region and the tourists it attracts.

Trump has long shown a fascination with Mount Rushmore. South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem said in 2018 that he had once told her straight-faced it was his dream to have his face carved into the monument. He later joked at a campaign rally about getting enshrined alongside George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Teddy Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln. And while it was Noem, a Republican, who pushed for a return of the fireworks on the eve of Independence Day, Trump joined the effort and committed to visiting South Dakota for the celebration.

The four faces, carved into the mountain with dynamite and drills, are known as the “shrine to democracy.” The presidents were chosen by sculptor Gutzon Borglum for their leadership during four phases of American development: Washington led the birth of the nation; Jefferson sparked its westward expansion; Lincoln preserved the union and emancipated slaves; Roosevelt championed industrial innovation.

And yet, for many Native American people, including the Lakota, Cheyenne, Omaha, Arapaho, Kiowa and Kiowa-Apache, the monument is a desecration to the Black Hills, which they consider sacred. Lakota people know the area as Paha Sapa — “the heart of everything that is.”

As monuments to Confederate and colonial leaders have been removed across U.S. cities, conservatives have expressed concern that Mount Rushmore could be next. Commentator Ben Shapiro this week suggested that the “woke historical revisionist priesthood” wanted to blow up the monument. Noem responded by tweeting, “Not on my watch.”

Tim Giago, a journalist who is a member of the Oglala Lakota tribe, said he doesn’t see four great American leaders when he looks at the monument, but instead four white men who either made racist remarks or initiated actions that removed Native Americans from their land. Washington and Jefferson both held slaves. Lincoln, though he led the abolition of slavery, also approved the hanging of 38 Dakota men in Minnesota after a violent conflict with white settlers there. Roosevelt is reported to have said, “I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every ten are..”

The monument has long been a “Rorschach test," said John Taliaferro, author of “Great White Fathers,” a history of the monument. "All sorts of people can go there and see it in different ways.”

The monument often starts conversations on the paradox of American democracy — that a republic that promoted the ideals of freedom, determination and innovation also enslaved people and drove others from their land, he said.

“If we’re having this discussion today about what American democracy is, Mount Rushmore is really serving its purpose because that conversation goes on there,” he said. “Is it fragile? Is it permanent? Is it cracking somewhat?”

The monument was conceived in the 1920s as a tourist draw for the new fad in vacationing called the road trip. South Dakota historian Doane Robinson recruited Borglum, one of the preeminent sculptors at the time, to abandon his work creating the Stone Mountain Confederate Memorial in Georgia, which was to feature Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis and Stonewall Jackson.

Borglum was a member of the Klu Klux Klan, according to Mount Rushmore historian and writer Tom Griffith. Borglum joined the Klan to raise money for the Confederate memorial, and Griffith argues his allegiance was more practical than ideological. He left that project and instead spent years in South Dakota completing Mount Rushmore.

Native American activists have long staged protests at the site to raise awareness among the history of the Black Hills, which were taken from them despite treaties with the United States protecting the land. Fifty years ago this summer a group of activists associated with an organization called United Native Americans climbed to the top of the monument and occupied it.
Quanah Brightman, who now runs United Native Americans, said the activism in the 1970s grew out of the civil rights movement of the 1960s. He hopes a similar movement for Native Americans comes from the Black Lives Matter movement.

“What people find here is the story of America — it's multi-dimensional, it's complex,” Griffith said. “It’s important to understand it was people just trying to do right as best they knew it then.”

The White House had no immediate comment on criticism of the president's planned visit.

 
 

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by nefarious101 » 03 Jul 2020, 9:27 am

peepee » 02 Jul 2020, 8:00 am » wrote: https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/201 ... come-to-be

Robinson turned to Gutzon Borglum, the son of polygamous Mormon parents from Idaho territory, who had trained at the École des Beaux-Arts and the Académie Julian in Paris. A freemason and Ku Klux Klan member, Borglum thought Robinson’s pillars too thin for the demands of monumental sculpture and that, in any case, images of US presidents would be preferable to those of cowboys, showmen and soldiers.

Should Democrats be banished since they are the Party of the KKK?

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by omh » 03 Jul 2020, 8:54 am

sootedupCyndi » 03 Jul 2020, 8:36 am » wrote: I have a better one. When I was a kid, my parents would take me to this fancy restaurant.. ooo how I hated to go. It had a statue out front made of metal, way up on the roof..
Restaurants name was* The Silent Woman. *   The statue DIDNT have a head!!    true.      
You just cannot let go of symbolism counts as all anyone needs to know about and actual life doesn't matter socially.

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by sooted up Cyndi » 03 Jul 2020, 8:36 am

omh » 03 Jul 2020, 8:31 am » wrote: so the whole concept was political satire? back to patronizing condescension by intellectual social mentality denouncing instinctive brains.
I have a better one. When I was a kid, my parents would take me to this fancy restaurant.. ooo how I hated to go. It had a statue out front made of metal, way up on the roof..
Restaurants name was* The Silent Woman. *   The statue DIDNT have a head!!    true.         

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by omh » 03 Jul 2020, 8:31 am

sootedupCyndi » 03 Jul 2020, 8:26 am » wrote: Nothing is wrong with that. But in this case, I do believe they wanted to replace a historic statue with a Chef- boy -ardee.  That is stooopid.

so the whole concept was political satire? back to patronizing condescension by intellectual social mentality denouncing instinctive brains.

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by sooted up Cyndi » 03 Jul 2020, 8:26 am

omh » 03 Jul 2020, 8:23 am » wrote: What is wrong with a company making a statue of its marketing caricature to a product that makes working mom's lives easier? Your post projects its stupid.
Patronizing condescension for those being torn apart trying to live up to promises of better tomorrows when life doesn't exceed the moment here.

Gee where the hell does mental illness spawn from beyond socially induced laws commanding offspring defy their natural position as timed apart now.
Nothing is wrong with that. But in this case, I do believe they wanted to replace a historic statue with a Chef- boy -ardee.  That is stooopid.

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by omh » 03 Jul 2020, 8:23 am

sootedupCyndi » 03 Jul 2020, 8:11 am » wrote: Duckie? guess what I just heard on the news..? There's a petition going around. To make a statue out of Chef-Boy-Ardee.  I'm NOT joking! you cant make this sheeet up.    
What is wrong with a company making a statue of its marketing caricature to a product that makes working mom's lives easier? Your post projects its stupid.
Patronizing condescension for those being torn apart trying to live up to promises of better tomorrows when life doesn't exceed the moment here.

Gee where the hell does mental illness spawn from beyond socially induced laws commanding offspring defy their natural position as timed apart now.

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by sooted up Cyndi » 03 Jul 2020, 8:11 am

duck615 » 03 Jul 2020, 7:24 am » wrote: You can spew ****... I will throw it right back at ya...
Duckie? guess what I just heard on the news..? There's a petition going around. To make a statue out of Chef-Boy-Ardee.  I'm NOT joking! you cant make this sheeet up.      

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by omh » 03 Jul 2020, 7:48 am

duck615 » 03 Jul 2020, 7:24 am » wrote: You can spew ****... I will throw it right back at ya...
I can describe kinetic molecular migration sustaining objects space daprt in plain sight is **** while you reciting incomplete facts comprised of statistically averaging parts of the whole against the whole itself leads back to everything specifically timed apart so far never remaining the same forms shaped currently converting did, does, adds details enver duplciated as arrived so far again defying the simple "Whole is equal to the total sum of its parts."

Species and current active population come to your one track narrative where each lifetime is occupying space as geographically centered currently adding compounding details like never before the same way per person occupying time as spaced apart adapting to circumstances socially playing out?

You always stick to debaing potential outcomes, never kinetic whole taking place compared to already concluded events. Your brain will not be honest ith everything you mind socially. Not my fault so stop trying to transfer your ancestral guilt onto me, I am trying to correct my own family's mistakes, birth and since married.

Know what it is like trying to deprogram those you would die for. Eternal Hell with them reciting humanity's rules and I just describe natural timed apart results everyone refuses to believe possible..

Why I have such a wicked sense of humor never taking my time seriously with everyone else seriously denying how life works in plain sight. I know the odds against me.

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by duck615 » 03 Jul 2020, 7:24 am

omh » 03 Jul 2020, 7:20 am » wrote: Really, can you guess the stupidity of that philosophical metaphoric analogy used for how many generations justifying ancestral denial now is eternity?
Birds of a feather,
Walks like a duck,
left wing vs right wing
individual liberty/instincts vs social mind/defined by speculation character role playing.
You can spew ****... I will throw it right back at ya...

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by omh » 03 Jul 2020, 7:20 am

duck615 » 03 Jul 2020, 7:15 am » wrote: What is good for the goose... is good for the gander...
Really, can you guess the stupidity of that philosophical metaphoric analogy used for how many generations justifying ancestral denial now is eternity?
Birds of a feather,
Walks like a duck,
left wing vs right wing
individual liberty/instincts vs social mind/defined by speculation character role playing.

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by Termin8tor » 03 Jul 2020, 7:17 am

Huey » 02 Jul 2020, 8:53 am » wrote: When Yale and Brown are torn down, or at least renamed, we can talk.
.

When serial rapist Bill Clinton is no longer a liberal icon we can talk some more.

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by duck615 » 03 Jul 2020, 7:15 am

omh » 03 Jul 2020, 7:13 am » wrote: Those that fail to learn from history are just repeating it from now on. Destruction of real never saves reality any generation practicing the ideas tomorrow is a better time than the rotation occupying space has been so far.

Stop denying now is physical eternity by the numbers eternally changing now.
What is good for the goose... is good for the gander...
 

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by omh » 03 Jul 2020, 7:13 am

duck615 » 03 Jul 2020, 7:10 am » wrote: Any statue of Robert Byrd should be torn down... his portrait in the Capital should also come down.
Those that fail to learn from history are just repeating it from now on. Destruction of real never saves reality any generation practicing the ideas tomorrow is a better time than the rotation occupying space has been so far.

Stop denying now is physical eternity by the numbers eternally changing here. The kinetic simplicity of the whole is equal to total sum of active parts. You govern by potential differences of did, doing, continuing to be timed apart so far ad added and subtracted by inversion and conversion of molecular migration sustaining numbers maintaining the balances achieved since nothing existing stays the same beteen added and subtracted.

Simple compounding finite matter into infinite results. Why am I the only one honest about it? Everyone else is capitalizing off the confusion practiced ancestrally so far.

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by duck615 » 03 Jul 2020, 7:10 am

Any statue of Robert Byrd should be torn down... his portrait in the Capital should also come down.

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by omh » 03 Jul 2020, 7:00 am

sootedupCyndi » 03 Jul 2020, 6:48 am » wrote: This IS hell Omh. It is. Right here , right now. We are a Prison Planet. All souls sent here to pay our dues with karma. As a punishment. For interrupting the wheels of the universe. never forget it.. yes virginia this is HELL.

Ok, what are the cell walls constructed with? What are the bars? Vocabulary, hope, faith, charity, means, methods, motives, madness, mayhem, misery all induced intellectually while the brain just navigates a body existing as timed apart so far.

Every mobil species adapts to the common circumstances that face each reproduction sustaining the numbers alive in this atmosphere so far.

You become a career denier and refuse to accept you are the major part of your own self deception each person is actively doing to stop everyone from understanding this eternal point of what does occupy space never stays the same details twice now.

Kinetic cause and effect o all things sstaining ancestral confusion one generation after another and there is nothing supernatural leading it. Just choices acted out so far, currently, and choiced combined from this point forward as a species only existing by the numbers never the same form shaped apart now since a fertilized cell.

Want equality for all? Rhetocial question because your behavior is justified stating nobody can understand life in kinetica plain sight, but here I am describing life kinetically in plain sight and every self anointed type cast person ignoring kinetic results taking sides on potential outcomes won't tolerate my discussions.

Ridicule, cast aside, exiled, and most likely become executed by those that govern outcomes from now on as leaders of the free world. What in reality is free except giving away one's sole time occupying space so far.

Reality demands 24/7 blind faith loyalty to context.

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by sooted up Cyndi » 03 Jul 2020, 6:48 am

This IS hell Omh. It is. Right here , right now. We are a Prison Planet. All souls sent here to pay our dues with karma. As a punishment. For interrupting the wheels of the universe. never forget it.. yes virginia this is HELL.

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by omh » 03 Jul 2020, 6:36 am

sootedupCyndi » 03 Jul 2020, 6:03 am » wrote: Trumps going to Mount Washington. ha ha ha. He always gives them the bird... MAGA!
Idea just entered my brain and it is a spin off a New York Times piece September 21, 1897 editorial.

Yes Virginia there is a physical Eternal Hell.

God is a caricature to make people wish life were more than genetically timed apart so far in plain sight so spiritual fantasy vs science fiction of space time continuum has governed reproducitons of the homo sapien species since the advent of training children to mind verbal commands and become characters to social ethics projecting what else could exist when all agree to avoid the common link to timed apart so far.

Eternal hell is a combination of the population generation after generation silencing the natural rule in favor of mob laws. The promise of better tomorrows started out trying to make adaptng as equally present easier for all until brain activing induced intellect got in the way. Its true for each lifetime of this species as ancestrally centered exiting the womb until dead regardless how one dies to the specificity of the event death occurs same as being conceived so far from now on until reproductions end and the species is never again part of the results timed apart from that total sum achieved forward.

How does a naturally timed apart reproduction rescue people that decided to ignore how and why life works kinetically and govern themselves by potentials until reproductions don't exist again?

Cyndi and everyone else posting here either don't want to know or don't want anyone else finding out. Lets play morality, legality, ethics, truth, consequences, educating probability instead of nobody knows how life originated to be only specifically existing as timed apart so far within the universal point of nothing existing stays a it originally began being timed apart now as occupying space here.

Context isn't socially designed to remove doubt life cannot exceed now. Instead Doubt rules laws designed to mandate everyone honor statistical averaging, inaccurate facts, rational truths on 7 axses employed between 8 great grandparents, 4 grandparents, 2 parents, every great great grandchild added to sustain the numbers occupying space on any given rotation of the planet since the inception of homo sapien DNA combinations began lasting until no reproductions left from now on.

Space is occupied, ancestral displacement is timed apart now as living here never the same kinetic chaps and form since conceived to replace 2 prents, 4 grandparents, 8 great grandparents and I dare anyone to bring up previous generation incest with last added generation where dad and grandpa were the same individual. That would be psychologically weaponized comedy to get everyone to stop listening to anyone disrupting corruption from now on.

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by sooted up Cyndi » 03 Jul 2020, 6:03 am

Trumps going to Mount Washington. ha ha ha. He always gives them the bird... MAGA!

Re: Should Mount Rushmore Go?... It Was Sculpted By A KKK Klansman and Polygamist

by omh » 02 Jul 2020, 11:19 am

KFSW » 02 Jul 2020, 11:14 am » wrote: How about erecting statues of....

Native Americans raping little white settler girls....

Its part of US history for sure
Better yet, How some tribes did to other tribes before whites came to the continent. Mayans destroyed themselves over pride of which tribe had greater control of the landscaping taking place displaying the vanity of never accepting life for all it ever remains in plain sight.

Always remember calculating change by how long the planet takes to cycle around to same event horizon that is only existing because of a larger cycle taking place simultaneously going on spontaneously staying in placement together, really should have your instincts aware intellect is betraying your instinctive center as timed apart from now until dead by what ever circumstance arrived until then.

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