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Trump deciding to wear a mask now, this far into the pandemic, is kind of like an EMT responding to a car accident and putting a seat belt on the crash victim.    

 
 
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NeoConvict » 13 Jul 2020, 9:36 am » wrote: 130k have died with COVID-19. Thanks to politics we will never know how many have died FROM COVID-19. Thanks for politicizing and cheerleading a **** virus.
You're caving to right wing hyteria.  I posted an extremely detailed link regarding applying and sequencing of diagnoses in the event of a COVID-19 death.  There were detailed if/then scenarios that guides how a death is determined to be caused by COVID versus another illness. 

Medical officials don't just write down whatever they choose in the COD (cause of death) field.  There are clear and concise (and highly audited) guidelines for this ****.  
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NeoConvict » 14 Jul 2020, 10:20 am » wrote: There are more poor crackers than poor blacks. The poor, at least from my experience, have more access to healthcare than I do. Brother in law is a junkie with 5 kids. He gets nearly free housing and takes the kids to the clinic every time they get the sniffles for free. If I go see a doc it's a hundred dollar copay and then additional charges depending on the service provided.
I'm talking specifically about the working poor.....those who make too much to qualify for Medicaid, yet make far too little to pay an insurance premium, annual deductible, coinsurance, copays and other out of pocket expenses.  So they go without, putting them at risk of bankruptcy every time they become ill.  That shouldn't be happening in the wealthiest country on earth.  Healthcare should NOT be a 'for profit' industry.  It's killng people....literally.
 
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deezershoove » 14 Jul 2020, 10:15 am » wrote: Healthcare isn't the factor, brainiac, for a disease with NO CURE.
Where there's no cure, there is absoutely treatment to lessen the sometimes serious effects of coronavirus.  There are medications.  There are ventilators.  There are a number of treatments (and more being discovered every day) that can help a patient weather this virus.  These medications and treatments absolutely lower the death rate.

But if a patient has no money and no health insurance, their ONLY option is to lie on their couch and hope to hell they don't die.  An ICU bed in my state bills out at between $15k and $25k per day, depending on the equipment and personnel treating the patient. 

Healthcare is ABSOLUTELY a factor.  It doesn't take a "brainiac" to see that, deezer.  

 
 
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Taipan » 14 Jul 2020, 12:48 pm » wrote: Then, are you saying that all H/care should to passed to the tax-payer?

 
Healthcare should be paid by our tax dollars, yes.  That is what I advocate.
But, doctors, lawyers, hospitals, and Big Pharma are still making their billions.
Can you show me a list of doctors or lawyers who are making over a billion dollars each?   Big pharma and big insurance?  They're definitely making billions......they are the problem.

 
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deezershoove » 14 Jul 2020, 12:52 pm » wrote: According to WaPo most of them die anyway. Ventilator = death.
Sometimes ventilators do more harm than good, you're right.  They now have alternatives to ventilators with this virus.  We didn't have that alternative back in March and April.
 
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progressivecitizen » 13 Jul 2020, 8:22 pm » wrote: What are the Democrats doing now to ensure that the Republicans can't cry foul when Trump is decimated in the election?
If Republicans lose in November, they will cry foul regardless.  Democrats need to cover their bases and keep their eye on the prize.
Isn't mail-in voting under attack? 
It defiitely is.  There are lots of Democrats (as well as some Republicans) fighting for mail-in voting.  In a pandemic, it only makes sense.
Shouldn't the Democrats be shoring up their forces on the state and local level in their election committees?
There are many Democrats working on this right now.  Stacey Abrams in Georgia is one of them.  
 
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NeoConvict » 14 Jul 2020, 8:57 am » wrote: Nah, that's a predilection for smoking menthol cigarettes and eating fried chicken. Obesity rates among blacks are at epidemic levels and obesity leads to respiratory issues. This virus kills people with serious underlying heath problems.
****.  You apparently missed the fact that people of color make up a large majority of essential workers.  These are on the front lines having to confront mask-fearing snowflakes and CDC/WHO-hating conspiracy theorists who refuse to socially distance in public places.   People of color are our waiters and waitresses, our delivery drivers, our grocery cashiers, and a host of other professions that do not allow for effective social distancing.

Additionally, many of these people make very little money often end up living in multi-generational households.  A health 7-year-old can be asymptomatic and remain healthy.....but when he comes home at night and hugs Grandma, too often Grandma will end up flatlining.   The asymptomatic spread is one of the scariest things about this virus.          

There tens of millions of fat ***, clogged artery, nicotine addicted, fast food scarfing, couch potato WHITE Americans out there, too.  That's an American thing, not a black American thing.  The REAL difference can be sussed out by determining who has adequate healthcare access and who do not.  If a person has no money and no medical insurance, they essentially have no reasonable access to adequate healthcare. 

If this country provided a national healthcare plan for all it's citizens (like every other industrialized country does), the outcome of this pandemic would be far less deadly or life-changing.
 
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NeoConvict » 13 Jul 2020, 11:40 am » wrote: Anyone that dies covid19 positive is counted. Hey if she was wrong then fine. I am going by the only detailed explanation by an official that I have seen on documenting a covid19 death. I do know they count them as covid19 deaths regardless of the presence of significant comorbidities.
Was the video released by a health care agency or practice?   By a hospital?  Or created by her alone?  My guess is the latter.       

Comorbidities are almost always listed as secondary (and tieriary) diagnoses.   There are a few exceptions, but not many. 

Look, this **** is audited six ways to Sunday.  I know because I've been a medical coder for over 30 years.  If I coded a cause of death as COVID on a case where the victim was shot somewhere, I would likely have my certification revoked and be fined into oblivion.  That's just not how it's done.   In this instance, the gun shot would be the cause of death and COVID listed as a secondary diagnosis.    
 
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NeoConvict » 13 Jul 2020, 11:30 am » wrote: It was a health department official explaining who was counted as a covid19 death. Doesn't matter who released the video.
Of course it matters who released the videoi (and under whose direction). 

So you're maintaining that if someone leaves a hospital after testing positive for COVID, then gets shot on the way home.....or gets in a car accident.....or gets run over by a bus......then that goes in the books as a COVID death?

I'm not buying that for a **** second.  That defies every principle of medical coding and sequencing rules.  
 
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NeoConvict » 12 Jul 2020, 8:50 pm » wrote: 99% of those under 70 who have died from this under age 60 had significant comorbidities.
IF that's true (and I've seen no proof that it is), it's OK with you if the old and the ill croak?     It's not OK with me.  Preventable death is never OK.   

If we have a lot of unhealthy people in our population (and we definitely do), all the more reason to take extra precautions to limit the spread of the virus.    
 
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NeoConvict » 12 Jul 2020, 9:16 pm » wrote: I agree with this, but shutting down the country was a bit of an overreaction.
I think it was an underreaction.  
We should focus on the elderly and those with underlying respiratory conditions.
How so?  And just underlying respiratory issues? 

What about those with circulatory issues (since it's been found that the virus can cause dangerous blood clots). [Link]

What about those with cardiac issues (since this virus often causes strokes, aneurysms, and conditions such as viral myocarditis).  [Link]  

What about those with neurological and/or psychological issues?  COVID-19 recoveries have shown lasting effects, long after recovery.  [Link)

What about those roaming about out there who have heart conditions, respiratory issues, neurological issues but have never been diagnosed?  What about those with diabetes, DVT, asthma, circulatory issues (and the list goes on and on and on and on)?  I say we listen to doctors and follow their instructions, not Trump's.

 
 
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duck615 » 12 Jul 2020, 5:15 pm » wrote: A prediction, not a promise you **** *******
Pretty lame prediction on Cheeto's part.  He's had quite a few of those.  It's more than obvious that Trump is clueless.  He should shut his orange pie hole and let the doctors speak.
 
 
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NeoConvict » 12 Jul 2020, 3:27 pm » wrote: Unknown. What is deduced from this is thousands that died with COVID-19 did not die FROM COVID-19.
It doesn't deduce that at all.  Accurate numbers are needed to produce dependable statistics.   One person dying in a plane crash (who just tested positive for Covid-19) isn't going to skew the statistics one way or the other.  Your "thousands" assertion has no basis in fact.   
 
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duck615 » 12 Jul 2020, 10:51 am » wrote: That is not proof that President Trump is responsible... try again you liberal ****** ***
Trump's not responsible for the coronavirus.  That was going to happen regardless.  

Trump is responsible for the piss poor response to the virus. His inability to listen to actual doctors and public health experts resulted in a delayed response that can't be reversed.  Essentially, the coronavirus got a 60-day head start on the American population that resulted in far more infections and deaths than would have happened with a fast and focused national response.  

 
 
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NeoConvict » 12 Jul 2020, 11:18 am » wrote: Idiocy. What is appropriate in crowded metro areas is pointless in sparsely populated areas.
You're correct.  Good centralized leadership can walk and chew gum at the same time.  They understand the rural/metro thing just fine.      A centralized federal response can better gauge the needs of different regions and work to reallocate resources (ICU beds, ventilators, PPE, nurses/doctors, testing sites)  according to a region's needs.
 
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duck615 » 12 Jul 2020, 10:10 am » wrote: POOR LYING CRYING LIBERAL ASSWIPES
Did your mom drop you on your head as a child?    

That's your best response to 135,000 Americans dying?   No wonder we've got the highest pandemic numbers on the planet.  
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duck615 » 12 Jul 2020, 10:30 am » wrote: survival rate of over 99% you **** POS liberal fear mongering *******
135,000 dead.  Fact.  Cases per day rising to 70,000 per day.  Hospitals overwhelmed.  Yet all you've got is partisan name-calling?  

Don't forget that many of those who survive coronavirus face months, even years, of physical therapy, cardiac therapy, respiratory therapy, along with massive medical bills.   This virus is real. 

 
 
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Yikes.     Lol.  Disturbing, but funny...
 
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