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I agree with you that inequality is a major issue that needs to be addressed alongside doing something big regarding climate change. I think part of it is trade where global trade wars are really class wars. Major trade imbalances in the world over the last four decades have been driven by the suppression of wage growth, with income being redistributed from labor to capital. This leads to shortfalls in aggregate demand that countries try to offset by having trade surpluses.China and Germany are the main drivers in manufacturing where you have large surpluses in trade.
China keeps their currency low. Germany has very strong workers unions which protects workers wages, and even retrains workers who are not needed in one area paying them while they retrain.

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zkyll8 » Yesterday, 8:31 pm » wrote: Our Democracy is floating towards a plutocracy every single day, if Trump wins I actually believe that we could have a full blown plutocracy in the works. 

For far to long the powerful few at the top have had control of the entire government, this is troubling from the so called "Constitutionalists" on the other side, I thought we are supposed to be "For the people by the people". They almost always forget this and bow back down to the Cheeto. 

We need a stronger Union Presence within our Labor force and we need Universal protections for all of our citizens so people would not have to worry about going bankrupt just for going to the hospital.
 
And they totally ignore the directive "PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE" in the Preamble to the Constitution.  It often appears the powerful few, at the top, try to wish it away.
 
The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much it is whether we provide enough for those who have little :--- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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bludog » 26 Sep 2020, 1:48 pm » wrote: It is better for industry when workers have decent enough pay and benefits to purchase products and services beyond subsistence level.  When the "demand side" is well heeled, it keeps the "supply side" healthy and functioning at full capacity. 

The system we've developed since the 1980s underpays most workers and allows a handful of Plutocrats to hoard fortunes, so enormous, that the wealth contained therein cannot possibly be used by its owner.  

We need to start reform by making the rich and corporations pay their fair share in taxes.  And then get money out of politics, as much as possible, so that votes and not wealth, shape policy.

Our Democracy is floating towards a plutocracy every single day, if Trump wins I actually believe that we could have a full blown plutocracy in the works. 

For far to long the powerful few at the top have had control of the entire government, this is troubling from the so called "Constitutionalists" on the other side, I thought we are supposed to be "For the people by the people". They almost always forget this and bow back down to the Cheeto. 

We need a stronger Union Presence within our Labor force and we need Universal protections for all of our citizens so people would not have to worry about going bankrupt just for going to the hospital. 

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billking » 26 Sep 2020, 1:08 pm » wrote: I also agree with everything said above, here in blue California the Tesla plant in Milpitas only pays their production employees roughly $20 an hour with crappy benefits on top of it. There used to be a UAW office across the street when it was NUMI for many years prior.

UAW is an amazing Union to be apart of. 

Many of my family and friends are apart of this Union and they have some of the highest paying jobs with some of the greatest benefits in America. 

One of the biggest downfalls in America has been the decline of Labor Unions, they built the middle class once and they can build it again.

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OlderGuy » 24 Sep 2020, 9:47 pm » wrote: I agree with you that inequality is a major issue that needs to be addressed alongside doing something big regarding climate change. I think part of it is trade where global trade wars are really class wars. Major trade imbalances in the world over the last four decades have been driven by the suppression of wage growth, with income being redistributed from labor to capital. This leads to shortfalls in aggregate demand that countries try to offset by having trade surpluses.China and Germany are the main drivers in manufacturing where you have large surpluses in trade.
China keeps their currency low. Germany has very strong workers unions which protects workers wages, and even retrains workers who are not needed in one area paying them while they retrain.

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I agree Trade wars are not beneficial for the middle class only for the few on top, I can't actually think of any middle class person worrying about the tariffs that we put on china. 

We need to forget about getting in trade wars and actually have some major overhaul to our Labor Unions so that people can actually have good paying jobs with good benefits. I know all about this because of the huge UAW presence within my state. It allows for people to actually have good paying jobs and good benefits. 

Europe for long has overshadowed us in this regard, people in the U.S "Republicans" like to call these places socialist utopias while in all reality the middle class is thriving while ours is getting destroyed by a cheeto.

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Misty » Yesterday, 8:15 pm » wrote: CBS: His taxes
NBC: His taxes
ABC: His taxes
CNN: His taxes  
MSNBC: His taxes
Animal Planet: His taxes 
Cartoon Network: His taxes
Food Network: His taxes
FOX News: Hearty fall soup recipes
Hearty Fall Soup Channel: His taxes
So how did Fox and Fiends cover it?  Up?
 

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SJConspirator » Yesterday, 8:43 pm » wrote:

I almost made a meme of this but I don’t think any caption can make it funnier.
Yeah. I was going to try, but I think you're right.
Whose hand is that?
 
Edit:
What’s actually going on here? The woman at the podium is Joe’s wife Jill Biden, and the moment, captured by photographer Joshua Lott for Getty Images, is a split-second snapshot where Joe playfully bit his wife’s finger because she was waving her hand in front of his face.



https://gizmodo.com/viral-photo-of-joe- ... 1840140741
Still playful with his wife.
How sweet.
 


 
 
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nuckinfutz » Yesterday, 8:04 pm » wrote:
Try this Cowboy; Turn on CNN or MSNBC for a change and compare what they say with your FAUX GNUS, and do some fact checking! The truth wont hurt you!
Remember, there are always two sides to the same coin!
Do that for three weeks Then report back to us.
CBS: His taxes
NBC: His taxes
ABC: His taxes
CNN: His taxes  
MSNBC: His taxes
Animal Planet: His taxes 
Cartoon Network: His taxes
Food Network: His taxes
FOX News: Hearty fall soup recipes
Hearty Fall Soup Channel: His taxes
 
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nuckinfutz » Yesterday, 8:04 pm » wrote: Try this Cowboy; Turn on CNN or MSNBC for a change and compare what they say with your FAUX GNUS, and do some fact checking! The truth wont hurt you!
Remember, there are always two sides to the same coin!
Do that for three weeks Then report back to us.

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126 & 127.   Everyday.  Why?   Fox News has 100 commercials....per hour.   
I don't do comm.
I serf.
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Try this Cowboy; Turn on CNN or MSNBC for a change and compare what they say with your FAUX GNUS, and do some fact checking! The truth wont hurt you!
Remember, there are always two sides to the same coin!
Do that for three weeks Then report back to us.
 
 

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Misty » Yesterday, 7:19 pm » wrote:
Termin8tor » Yesterday, 6:57 pm » wrote:
What did Hunter Biden do to get $3.5 million from the wife of Moscow's Mayor?
I don't know.
Maybe he ate her ****** real good.


 
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DennisTheMenace » Yesterday, 5:44 am » wrote: 70K hairdo tax write offs.


Real tax payers are paying for this.
Any hair stylist who did that should lose their cosmetology license.

FYI, Michael Cohen says Trump cuts his own hair.
I believe it.
 
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Good.  :idea:

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Phoenix68.2.0 » 26 Sep 2020, 5:12 am » wrote:
You Teabaggers/Trumpoids need to get-over your paranoia of actual-experience.


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We've already tried your way....the least-educated way....and, The MAJORITY has no more patience for your lil' experiment.
You’re wasting your time with me.     

 

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supraTruth » 26 Sep 2020, 8:21 pm » wrote: U are the 1 who said it was the best day of your life.     Now grow some balls that your daddy couldn't give you, & tell US how old you are. 

I take it the day you were born was a real **** show based on your birth dates opinion.  What exactly does my age have to do with growing balls?  You're gay aren't ya?  You can always tell a gay online predator because they generally drag the conversation to what's down your pants.


Sorry bud...not in the least way interested 

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Cannonpointer » Yesterday, 7:44 pm » wrote: Just so you know? That researcher is an African American transgendered paraplegic.

Pretty **** of ya.
omg, he must be right.  About everything.
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An interesting thread.

Most of the newest adherents to the 'intersectional Left' -- unlike the remaining orthodox Marxists, the old Left -- have deep contempt for the working class. The 'socialism' they want is for themselves: free college tuition and healthcare. They couldn't give a toss about the jobs of factory workers, all of whom are probably transphobic.

But I believe that there is the objective basis for some sort of co operation -- exactly what form it might take remains to be seen -- among the 'pro-working class Left' and the base (not the Think Tanks) of the American right, who are largely white workers.

There is abolutely basis for agreement on a radically different American foreign policy. I hang out with fellow conservatives, and you (if you're on the Left) might be surprised by how popular Major Tulsi Gabbard is with many of them. It's interesting that most of the most vocal endless-war advocates in the Republican Party, the neo-cons, have moved over to the Democrats. They know whom to support to keep the troops flowing to Absurdistan.

The base of the Republicans used to be reflexively patriotic. If the President announced he was going to invade Canada, they would have been waving their flags and screaming USA! USA! USA! No longer. (It's not that they despise their country, like young Lefties do. But they're becoming aware that they have been used.)

But many of them are still under the spell of the economic libertarians in the Republican Party, at least in theory. How they reconcile being against the minimum wage or some sort of national health care -- "it's interfering in the market!" "It's interfering with my right to buy and sell where I choose" -- with being against Free Trade ... I don't know. But few people are consistenly-logical rationalists. People take time to evolve politically.

Anyway, Left and Right here might enjoy reading the conservative Francis Buckley's (no, no relation) newish book,

The Republican Workers Party: How the Trump Victory Drove Everyone Crazy, and Why It Was Just What We Needed – Illustrated, September 4, 2018 [ https://www.amazon.com/Republican-Worke ... 641770066/ ] He proposes a socially-conservative but economically middle-of-the-road party ... but read it yourself.  It's got a very positive introduction by Michael Moore.


If you're on the Left and just can't bear to read anything written by one of us, here's a good one by one of you: Michael Lind's The New Class War: [https://www.amazon.com/New-Class-War-De ... 593083695/  ] Lind is one of my favorite liberals, because he's not in  the grips of prissy political correctness, and says it like it is.
 

Just kidding about the Michael Moore, by the way.
 
 
 

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Crazytrain » Yesterday, 7:50 pm » wrote: Well Obama didn't have this problem.  And I'm sure Biden won't either. It seems trump is a weak leader who would of thunk it?
Obama allowed his friend putin to seize the crimea from ukraine. And to buy america's plutonium. And to make ******* putty out of his secretary of state, stealing her emails and filling her "charity" with rubles.

He also allowed putin to interfere in america's elections.
 
 
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Crazytrain » Yesterday, 7:36 pm » wrote: Well I always get real excited about suggestions from researchers. Nor they they proved anything they just suggest it. So forceful don't you think buddy?

Hey, you tell me - you're the science denier.

97% of researchers indicate that the facts suggest that it might be borne out that events could have been set in motion by a cabal yet to be named but originating in china...

The facts are in - the debate is over.
Accomplishments are helpful, yes - but the critical qualifications for VP are melanin and a vagina.

When your map disputes the territory, it's your map that is wrong.
Hearing much sizzle, expect little steak
Lies are a lazy man's truths
Humanity's law of the jungle is survival of the tribe

Only weak ideas must be protected from debate, and only religions declare people heretics.

Nostalgia is a crime against past and present
You cannot betray me, only yourself, to me

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Crazytrain » Yesterday, 5:35 pm » wrote: well if you like suggestions then you can believe this suggestion by a researcher. We all know the study say blah blah blah trick. It's just a suggestion by a researcher. Nothing proven as usual.

We cling, we cling, until the trolley clangs - and then, we're late for our supper!
Accomplishments are helpful, yes - but the critical qualifications for VP are melanin and a vagina.

When your map disputes the territory, it's your map that is wrong.
Hearing much sizzle, expect little steak
Lies are a lazy man's truths
Humanity's law of the jungle is survival of the tribe

Only weak ideas must be protected from debate, and only religions declare people heretics.

Nostalgia is a crime against past and present
You cannot betray me, only yourself, to me



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