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We have a proxy war in Ukraine and a debt ceiling debate among other issues in Washington. So why are Republicans all playing to a circus? Does sending migrants North really solve anything? Does changing an AP course really serve any purpose but to own the libs? Perhaps all of this was refreshing 20 years ago but it seems to be getting tired at this point. Will the Republican party continue to play the game of thrills without really addressing anything of significance? I tend to think this will become more and more of a losing strategy as time wears on.
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I'm guessing the mood of the board is obviously anti-MSM. That's not what I'm asking. What I'm asking is why? Is there some evil motive that some are seeing? What is the "enemy of the people" news organizations get flak for in reporting the news? Examples would be helpful.
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Cannonpointer » 27 Jan 2023, 8:58 pm » wrote: Here, you lazy **** - a link. That's as far as I'm going to educate you. It's not my job - it's only my job to point and laugh and stop you five times and call you a queer. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia%E ... _relations

Two things there. First, that was very premature talk about Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO at the Bucharest summit. Also, reports said that Putin wasn't really worried about the expansion but I may be wrong about that one too. Still, I'm not really a fan of invading countries in the 21st century. We should have moved past that by now. Especially after Bush's Iraq failure.
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ScottMon » 27 Jan 2023, 6:17 pm » wrote: It's clear that no one in DC cares about classified anything.  They're using it to stoke the public.  Wikileaks showed how banal so many classified documents are.

Career intelligence officials care deeply about classified documents. You're talking nuclear policy when it comes to the White House. I might not like Trump but I'm not deranged enough to think he would give up nuclear secrets for the right to sell Sochi property. Believe it or not some of his aids will probably defend him when the 2024 primaries roll around. Still, January 6th will always be a **** show.
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PastorBlast » 27 Jan 2023, 5:11 pm » wrote: Ukraine grows a lot of food. What happenned to the pressure to let grain shipments keep going through? 

War durations and scope are subject to variations.

That UN brokered grain agreement didn't go anywhere. It was recently extended in November and probably will be again. Just because it's not in the news doesn't mean it isn't happening.
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Cannonpointer » 24 Jan 2023, 11:40 am » wrote: The notion that Putin will be emboldened to attack NATO countries if he isn't put to rout in 'Kraine is nonsense - fodder for the uneducated.

The difference between attacing ukraine and attacking poland is the difference between squishing a bug and hunting an elephant. 

The ethnic russians were in an active state of rebellion when putin invaded. 

They are being armed by and in many cases directed by the russian military.

They were holding petty grudges about ukranian nationalist militias raping their wives and killing their children.

For a decade. While the world press remained quiet. To foment a proxy war.

Well I agree with almost all that sentiment. EXCEPT the notion that the press was trying to foment a proxy war. The proxy war started when Putin invaded.
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Everyone knows that wars end. A perpetual state of conflict is not possible. I have a question about the end of the Ukraine conflict. Will Ukraine give Russia territorial concessions of parts of the pre war borders? The experts are pretty split on this right now. What will really make the difference is where the war heads next. Spring is probably going to be the real test when Russia sends more troops in my opinion. Will there be a settlement or a demand by Ukraine to not give an inch of territory?
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maineman » 25 Jan 2023, 3:09 pm » wrote: that's incorrect.  As I said, the Espionage Act doesn't even MENTION classification.  It only forbids the disclosure of information that could harm the US.  Clearly, disclosing a list of US foreign agents who were moles inside the Russian government would -  WITHOUT QUESTION - harm the US.

I read up on that a little and saw what your argument was. Certainly, Trump could probably be prosecuted on a violation if they proved criminal intent which would be highly visible in the example you provided. I didn't do the homework on my answer.  
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Cannonpointer » 24 Jan 2023, 5:41 pm » wrote: Sweet Jesus. Putin wanted a foothold? Russia OWNS that mother **** - that was put under threat by ukraine's democracy being cancelled by the american deep state. 

For a mother **** who doesn't know ****, why are you starting a thread into your weak suit?
So what's the threat to Putin in the Black Sea? Perhaps you can enlighten me with the naval stipulations of the sea and tell me why Putin seemed threatened militarily and needed Crimea. He barely has a navy as it is. I can see the regime wanting to keep its friends in power in Ukraine and make it a vassal state. Tell me that isn't reciprocal too for a man who wanted the US to free an international arms dealer for him. Two to tango. And yes, I'm not really versed in how the law of the sea is enforced, that is not my strong suit. I do know he wanted to own that strait imperially. I guess he thought some country might invade Russia from the sea when they have an arsenal of nuclear weapons.
 
 
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FOS » 23 Jan 2023, 6:37 pm » wrote: there relationship is unknown, according to the official story. But we do know these israelis lived in florida nearby the terrorists as they were taking flying lessons

Actually Israel was in crisis mode after 9/11. They deeply feared that the Jewish state would be blamed for the attacks.
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ScottMon » 23 Jan 2023, 6:47 pm » wrote: There's one conspiracy that has bugged me.  Bush was a business partner with the Bin Ladin family.  After 9/11, He gave permission for the Bin Ladin family to leave America while EVERY other place was grounded.   I wonder if Osama attacked because of his family's ties to the Bush family.
The bin Laden family patriarch Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden was a huge concrete tycoon in Saudi Arabia. He came from a poor background to one of the wealthiest men in Saudi Arabia. He even served the royal family and started a huge conglomerate. He had over 50 children (this is the Middle East) of which Osama was one. Osama got lost in Wabbism and moved to Afghanistan to fight for the Jihad cause and formed al Quada. So technical Bush might have dealt with the bin Laden family. That's as far as the ties between George W Bush and Osama bin Laden really go. Osama was able to fund the terrorist network through his financial ties but we're not talking about a huge force presence here. In other words, the bin Laden family is a very rich dynasty in Saudi Arabia and Osama was a black sheep of over 50 children. Most of the family was innocent and probably feared reprisals. 
 
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RedheadedStranger » 23 Jan 2023, 7:11 pm » wrote: The planning for 9-11 started quite a while before the 2000 election. I remember reading that most of the hijackers were in the US for as long as 18-24 months prior to the attack. The ringleader, a guy named Atta I believe, was in the US as far back as early 1999 from what I can recall.

I remember reading that Osama was pretty much the black sheep of the Bin Ladin family, and most of the immediate family had actually already disowned him over his radical beliefs, prior to the attacks.

I also remember reading that Bush had allowed the Bin Ladins that were in the US to leave after the attack because they were afraid their lives might be in danger because of their relation to Osama.

I haven't read about the attack in years, but did in the immediate aftermath, as most everyone else.

That's my understanding too. It isn't really recent news but I have a copy of the 9/11 commission report that was written after a lot of extremely pissed people wanted all the data that the government knew about this. It reveals some of the sources and methods that the CIA uses to gain intelligence and basically reads like this is all we know down to the very last detail. I also read "The Looming Tower: Al Qaeda and the Road to 9/11" which is a more recent book a few months ago which offers a much more detailed account of what happened with 9/11 from the very start of Islamic extremism as an Islamic movement.
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Cannonpointer » 23 Jan 2023, 11:13 am » wrote: Is that a fact? Where did you get that fact?

At what temperature does jet fuel burn? At what temperature do iron girders melt?

Does "wreak havoc" mean "cause to fall in their own footprint?"
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Planes hit the World Trade Center
A Plane hit the Pentagon
Covid is a Disease
There is a vaccine for it now
Masks prevent the spread of Covid
Trump lost the 2020 election the same way he won the 2016 election
Trump's supporters stormed the Capital Building
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 This was a gift from Russia. It sits in New Jersey.
 
 
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America is great. America is not great due to the work of any one man. It is great because it has a constitution of checks and balances and the foresight of its founding fathers. Think of what we have accomplished as a nation. We've saved the world from tyranny in not one but two global wars. We played an instrumental role in bringing down the Berlin Wall and spread peace and democracy across the globe in the form of our own example. Prosperity and peace are not perfect globally but they are still something that is a somewhat successful exercise. This is because we set an example and try to form a more perfect union. 
This is where Donald Trump comes in. Trump had successes and failures. Certainly if he pulled off a North Korean peace deal we might be celebrating his presidency. Unfortunately in the future we will probably not be celebrating his presidency. January 6th is well documented in the way it was handled and the question of how much Trump knew and when he knew it will be a question of constant speculation in the years to come. Still, the attack on the Capital was caught on live television and his welcome ears brought it upon themselves to storm the very seat of our government in an action of vengeance. These attacks had no other underpinning than the smoke and mirrors that Trump and his supporters used to gain and hold onto power. Trump might have finally given the Supreme Court the leaning to strike down Roe v. Wade. This is not a position of personal support but is a victory for the voters who elected him.
Yet, Trump is still a man of little depth except his simple notions of winning which is pretty much what you would expect from a former real estate tycoon that had no governing experience. I could keep going but this is the bottom line. When you join the US Armed Forces you take a pledge to defend the Constitution. Trump instead asks his followers to defend and enhance his own power base by any means necessary. This is the derangement. I hold Conservative views and ask anyone who believes in the notion of Conservativism to read "The Conservative Sensibility" by George Will. Other than that, just try to get off outrage and battle mode and see the world for what it is. Perhaps some Trump supporters need to forget that we are a nation, not the whim of a single individual in the form of Donald Trump.
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With the war raging in Ukraine it is common practice to distance from Russia. I know I personally have stopped reading Russian news sources like RT and Sputnik. The question now is it right to ban NHL athletes who refuse to criticize Russia? Or is this an issue of free speech and therefore out of the realm of proper use of the constitution? Obviously, the war in Ukraine was unprovoked and against international law and non-aggression treaties Russia signed with Ukraine. How far does free speech go against a country that now has true imperial ambitions in Europe?
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Majik » 17 Jan 2023, 2:28 pm » wrote: You are the one claiming Trump bad ........while willing to overlook exactly how you were manipulated into believing Trump bad.
And what doesn't add up specifically ?

I don't think it is so much his record as it is the method to the madness and the fallout of that madness. From what I hear the White House was a place of constant chaos. Trump also moved away from protocol and became dangerous as the head of the United States government. If not for the wiser heads that  prevailed he would have done things like broken up NATO and bombed Mexico, things he actually considered as president. I personally feel safer at night knowing that a competent, level head is running the United States government right now.
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There have been reports from some sources that Damar Hamlin's cardiac arrest was caused,,,wait for it....mRNA vaccines. Does anyone here have the slightest notion that this was the reason for his cardiac arrest? This MAGA thing has gotten a little sad at some corners.
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I think we are all looking ahead since a new year is upon us. On the side of major conflict and European politics, nothing was bigger than the invasion of Ukraine. From what I've been reading and watching, almost every US news source (without including the alternative news) seems to be claiming a long conflict. Why you ask? Simple. The Russians have showed in conflicts in the past that they are battle hardened and able to cope with the hardship of war more than America in the past. 
Two different pieces of history here. First is the Vietnam experience for the United States. It did not take long for America to break apart when the draft was introduced to stoke LBJ's war. Some were firmly behind the conflict, but it tore America apart (with the strong note that the Russians might have stoked the protests although that is unproven). The second piece of history is the Eastern front during the Second World War. Entire cities pushed through unspeakable famine in defense of Russian territory from Nazi invaders. Yet, the Russians kept fighting. 
So, what holds for contemporary Putin Russia? Will this conflict weigh on Russia enough especially if they escalate in the Spring with drafted soldiers to see an end of the age of Putin? Who will take hold if Putin fails? Will it be an extremely dangerous leader like Medvedev or a pro-Western leader like the now imprisoned Navalny? Most hopefully, can the conflict end with Putin signing a peace treaty with Zelensky? That seems the message from both India and China who are saying that they would support any peaceful resolution.
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murdock » 26 Dec 2022, 8:52 pm » wrote: Santa doesn't bring presents to adults you stupid *** ****.

Probably because he doesn't exist.  :blush:  
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Cannonpointer » 26 Dec 2022, 8:04 pm » wrote: You lied when you saidyou think, fruitcake.

Vaccines - like men and women - have definitions, you fruit.Just CALLING it a vaccine doesn't make it one. Indeed, you stupid queer, using YOUR OWNARGUMENT, the covid abortion is by definition NOT a vaccine, because it doesn't work, stupe.

No, dick sucker, YOU are, when you lie that he was against the death jab.

Trump pushed the trumpvaccine through.

BIDEN questioned whether people should take it.
PELOSI questioned whether people should take it.
HARRIS questioned whether people should take it.

That's YOUR team, dick sucker. ^
Trump NEVER questioned whether people should take it, you stupid queer.

Now - mouthy dick sucking liar: HERE IS MY PROOF. Where's yours, queer?
SHOW US TRUMP STANDING AGAINST THE VACCINE, MOUTH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40eZeXPyJ0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BSy4xWwf6Y
Well it's nice that you are using actual news sources. I'm not going to do the complete research on this but the commitments you posted state the position that if the scientific community at the CDC and other world class health facilities approved a vaccine they would take it. I think what they are referring to is some of the treatments that Donald Trump pushed as a snake oil salesman and yes, he did say something like drinking bleach might cure Covid. That is the remarks in proper context. Biden and Harris didn't question the Moderna (a vaccine I've received three doses of as mandated by hospital policy) and Pfizer vaccines that have proven effective. Look at the history of smallpox if you think vaccines don't work and do the science. I could elaborate on how mRNA vaccines work and that they have been under research for years. Trump suggested people drink bleach to cure Covid. That was the point of their remarks. Also, explain to me why those who voted for Trump were much more unlikely to take the vaccine than those that voted for Biden in the 2020 election cycle. And please, try not to argue with me the definition of a vaccine. That's probably stretching your pro Trump argument a little too far.
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