Sgt Bilko » 02 Mar 2016 3:54 pm wrote: GeorgeWashington » 02 Mar 2016 3:26 pm wrote: Sgt Bilko » 02 Mar 2016 2:37 pm wrote:
Israelites were the chosen people because of the covenant that God created with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Are you going to refute that? Genesis 17 states that the covenant is everlasting.
It was prophesied that the Jews would be dispersed but go back to Israel as a nation once again. That was fulfilled in 1947. Are you going to refute that? What is different Today than 1947?
Are you proclaiming that God who knows the end from the beginning used everlasting incorrectly aka lied? Jews still have the ceremonial circumcision at 8 days. That is the sign of the everlasting covenant!
I've already refuted your claim that gen 17 applies to the inhabitants of modern day Israel
GeorgeWashington » 28 Feb 2016 11:02 am wrote:
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Christ is the seed.. The covenant is with Abraham and his seed - Christ. Not with Abraham and his descendents that deny Christ and blasphemy His holy name as the Jews of Israel today do.Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
You do not refute Genesis 7. Did God lie? There were no conditions placed in that covenant to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. You are trying to change the covenant to them. Everlasting becomes term limited. How without calling God a liar??? As Christians we are grafted into that existing covenant not replacing it!!!
The covenant is with the seed. If Christ isn't seed, who is?
We are grafted in, but the Jews have been broken off because of their unbelief.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off
, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
because of unbelief they were broken off - if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
The Jews have chosen to not participate in the covenant. If they choose to believe in the Seed they shall be grafted back in. If they were heirs of the promise, there would be no need to graft them back in.