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The New Deal was neither new nor was it a very good deal. Talk amongst yourselves.
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AlDonal » 29 Jun 2020, 11:13 pm » wrote:
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The New Deal was neither new nor was it a very good deal. Talk amongst yourselves.

It was much like the square deal that teddy teddy Roosevelt had. 

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Crazytrain » 29 Jun 2020, 8:25 pm » wrote:
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Bankers asking for more power. Great.

The OP is an ayn rand dick sucker and spewer of fantasies involving rich super heroes.

He's gonna run a john galt fantasy next. He is one stupid pile of unexamined romantic talking points.
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The New Deal was neither new nor was it a very good deal. Talk amongst yourselves.
The TVA, Mount Rushmore, the Hoover Dam, the Bay Bridge, the Blue Ridge Parkway - these are just a few of the things built with new deal money that continue to pay for themselves, generation after generation.

Investments in national level public infrastructure which put people to work in good paying jobs at a time when the private sector HAD FAILED US IN THAT NECESSITY, and which continue to pay FOR THEMSELVES to this very day, generation after generation, are a bad idea only to morons who suck banker **** as hobbyists.

If investing in public infrastructure (the very BEDROCK of a first world society) is such a bad idea, why are conjob pResidents - trump inclusive - always promising (and then failing) to do it?

You guys vote for presidents who waste precious public resources on standing armies, rather than on things that serve society. Then you badmouth a fellow who spent public monies on things that benefit society five generations after the fact.

Perhaps you or @promoderate  can tell us how the monies invested in the projects I named were squandered.
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I thought 2 pages into a thread titled On Economics I would have seen some mention of the Glass Steagall Act, the Gold Standard, McCain-Feinstein, or maybe even a honest comparison of taxation systems.

So far, this thread has utterly failed to live up to the promise of its title.
 
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promoderate » 29 Jun 2020, 8:49 pm » wrote:
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Sure, but it's role modeled from the top, since all of our bank notes are issuances of debt that retain no actual value and are centrally manipulated ever since we diverted from commodity based (gold backed) money in favor of fiat based (debt backed) money. Trump just played the system that he has to work in, which doesn't make it right, but the change has to start from the top.
...'our' 'money' retains the very same 'actual value' that 'money' has had for centuries.. i.e. that 'the government' requires that you acquire 'it' [whatf@ckingeveritis] and use it to 'pay taxes', etc... lest you quickly end up begging, in jail, dead, etc..

...read something by a monetary realist... steve zarlenga, merrill jenkins, bill still.... peepee cannon and sjc!...     
 

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The TVA, Mount Rushmore, the Hoover Dam, the Bay Bridge, the Blue Ridge Parkway - these are just a few of the things built with new deal money that continue to pay for themselves, generation after generation.

Investments in national level public infrastructure which put people to work in good paying jobs at a time when the private sector HAD FAILED US IN THAT NECESSITY, and which continue to pay FOR THEMSELVES to this very day, generation after generation, are a bad idea only to morons who suck banker **** as hobbyists.

If investing in public infrastructure (the very BEDROCK of a first world society) is such a bad idea, why are conjob pResidents - trump inclusive - always promising (and then failing) to do it?

You guys vote for presidents who waste precious public resources on standing armies, rather than on things that serve society. Then you badmouth a fellow who spent public monies on things that benefit society five generations after the fact.

Perhaps you or @promoderate  can tell us how the monies invested in the projects I named were squandered.
Apparently you didn’t watch SNL in the 90’s. I was quoting Linda Richman from Coffee Talk. 

I don’t know **** about the New Deal. 
 

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Apparently you didn’t watch SNL in the 90’s. I was quoting Linda Richman from Coffee Talk. 

I don’t know **** about the New Deal.

Mea culpa - thanks for bringing culture, and sorry that I missed it.
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promoderate » 29 Jun 2020, 8:41 pm » wrote:
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“The only freedom which deserves the name is that of pursuing our own good in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

Gee, the Golden Rule repeated using big words. How very wise...


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Cannonpointer » 30 Jun 2020, 5:27 am » wrote:
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The TVA, Mount Rushmore, the Hoover Dam, the Bay Bridge, the Blue Ridge Parkway - these are just a few of the things built with new deal money that continue to pay for themselves, generation after generation.

Investments in national level public infrastructure which put people to work in good paying jobs at a time when the private sector HAD FAILED US IN THAT NECESSITY, and which continue to pay FOR THEMSELVES to this very day, generation after generation, are a bad idea only to morons who suck banker **** as hobbyists.

If investing in public infrastructure (the very BEDROCK of a first world society) is such a bad idea, why are conjob pResidents - trump inclusive - always promising (and then failing) to do it?

You guys vote for presidents who waste precious public resources on standing armies, rather than on things that serve society. Then you badmouth a fellow who spent public monies on things that benefit society five generations after the fact.

Perhaps you or @promoderate  can tell us how the monies invested in the projects I named were squandered.

Standing armies aren't entirely unnecessary. Peace through strength.
Sure we **** with others, but how many things don't happen because we have a scary army?
Jus' sayin'...


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Polar1ty » 29 Jun 2020, 11:00 pm » wrote:
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Not completely accurate.

There was no central bank in the United States back in 1893, yet the depression was quite severe and lasted I believe 5-6 years.

Likewise, one can point out that monetary policy can be used to counteract recessions seen in the Post-WW2 era. It does NOT have to be left up to "the market," whatever that means.

I don't support the Federal Reserve, but for an entirely different reason.


Yeah it will be interesting what you have to say as well. 

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The Senate is doing another round of small business bail outs this morning. Should be interesting listening to all of these cons talk about capitalism or the phony government bailed out capitalism it seems.

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It's funny the right wing always says that the government should be involved in businesses. But we are bailing out company the likes of which was never seen in Franklin Roosevelt days.

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I think it's very telling that the right wing is so supportive of trillion dollars bail outs but want to talk about Franklin Roosevelt protecting working family during the great depression.
 

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deezershoove » 01 Jul 2020, 6:06 am » wrote:
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Standing armies aren't entirely unnecessary. Peace through strength.
Sure we **** with others, but how many things don't happen because we have a scary army?
Jus' sayin'...
   

...people wouldn't complain much if the 'standing army' was constructed to protect americans here in america...but you gd fool republican/crat-radio-level idiots use 'the standing army' as a world-wide corporate police force, the protector of Zion, etc., you dense republican slug...ugh...slugs...
 

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...people wouldn't complain much if the 'standing army' was constructed to protect americans here in america...but you gd fool republican/crat-radio-level idiots use 'the standing army' as a world-wide corporate police force, the protector of Zion, etc., you dense republican slug...ugh...slugs...

Nice to be able to say these things without fear, ain't it?
Stay in your basement, CHUD.


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deezershoove » 01 Jul 2020, 6:06 am » wrote:
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Standing armies aren't entirely unnecessary. Peace through strength.
Sure we **** with others, but how many things don't happen because we have a scary army?
Jus' sayin'...

That's the official story, alright - regurgitated perfectly.

The founders felt differently, but you're rully smert, too.
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Cannonpointer » 01 Jul 2020, 1:16 pm » wrote:
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That's the official story, alright - regurgitated perfectly.

The founders felt differently, but you're rully smert, too.
So we just go back to farming and wait for some aggression to start.
THEN say "Gee, boys, saddle up."
Of course you'd have to find someone to say that to...

Sounds like the same logic of the environmentalists:
America unilaterally stops polluting through draconian measures but the world still gets to breathe Chinese grit.
America unilaterally disarms and everybody pretends we can fight back.


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deezershoove » 01 Jul 2020, 8:48 pm » wrote:
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So we just go back to farming and wait for some aggression to start.
THEN say "Gee, boys, saddle up."
Of course you'd have to find someone to say that to...

Sounds like the same logic of the environmentalists:
America unilaterally stops polluting through draconian measures but the world still gets to breathe Chinese grit.
America unilaterally disarms and everybody pretends we can fight back.

Chinese grit is a chinese problem. We managed to deal with smog, through cafe standards and unleaded gas and catalytic converters. They didn't. So they breath smog. We don't. How is this hard for you?

Likewise, the fictional army that is going to attack us when we stop being extreme militarists is probably dying from all that chinese grit you alone are breathing.

I get that conditions have changed since the founders' time. If only you could get that principles haven't.

 
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Cannonpointer » 01 Jul 2020, 9:13 pm » wrote:
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Chinese grit is a chinese problem. We managed to deal with smog, through cafe standards and unleaded gas and catalytic converters. They didn't. So they breath smog. We don't. How is this hard for you?

Likewise, the fictional army that is going to attack us when we stop being extreme militarists is probably dying from all that chinese grit you alone are breathing.

I get that conditions have changed since the founders' time. If only you could get that principles haven't.

General pollution seeps across the planet. Like your political views...
I say you are unclean for believing as you do. Taint. You don't just have one; you are one.

That fictional army **** was only problematic in the history books. We're all better now.


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