I support free healthcare for illegals even though the American people will pay for it

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Zeets2 » 22 Oct 2020, 3:14 pm » wrote: I've got a good friend who racked up over $300K in her cancer treatments which exceeded her health insurance maximum by a lot.  She sends each doctor and the hospital $25 a week and has been doing so for about two years now.  No interest, no penalties, and no IRS henchmen to deal with.
I have no doubt that a deal like that wasn't the initial negotiation on that $300k bill.  A deal like that must have involved attorneys and negotiations with hospital collections.  I assure you that wasn't their first offer (or second, or third).  You do understand that sometimes people are poor and don't have attorneys or advocates to negotiate for them, right?
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WillFranklin » 22 Oct 2020, 12:04 pm » wrote: Let's see whose bill would be $5,000 for an entire year for total lifetime coverage.

That's someone who makes $150k at least, and only spends half of their income on average.

Wow you didn't study the bill. You are usually just spouting nonsense. This is expected from you.

I certainly can't help it if you're so gullible to believe such idiotic **** from a socialist plan.  Let me guess, I'll bet you also believed it when Obama told you that you can keep your doctor and your healthcare plan if you wanted to and you would save $2500 a year, didn't you?

Go ahead and admit it!  Virtually every dumb liberal who voted for Obama surely did!
 

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RollingRock » 22 Oct 2020, 3:24 pm » wrote: I have no doubt that a deal like that wasn't the initial negotiation on that $300k bill.  A deal like that must have involved attorneys and negotiations with hospital collections.  I assure you that wasn't their first offer (or second, or third).  You do understand that sometimes people are poor and don't have attorneys or advocates to negotiate for them, right?
Sure, and I can't say that I inquired about the details, but I was unaware of what she had agreed to pay until I offered to help her out with her bills, and she revealed to me that it really wasn't needed or necessary.  She's on disability now, and her and her husband still have their house and their lifestyle, and she's been in recovery for over a year.
 

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Zeets2 » 22 Oct 2020, 3:28 pm » wrote: I certainly can't help it if you're so gullible to believe such idiotic **** from a socialist plan.  Let me guess, I'll bet you also believed it when Obama told you that you can keep your doctor and your healthcare plan if you wanted to and you would save $2500 a year, didn't you?

Go ahead and admit it!  Virtually every dumb liberal who voted for Obama surely did!
Obamacare is private health insurance companies. That's the opposite of Medicare For All which is the only way to truly save. Your team has repeal and no replace. I have repeal and replace. Medicare For All also puts everything in one provider network. See how that squashes your doctor narrative?

Did I see you call providing health insurance "socialist"  Thelmalina?

Israel provides total lifetime health coverage. (We give them 4 billion $ a year.)

Is Israel "socialist"  Thelmalina?

Answer me, Thelmalina.

 

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WillFranklin » 22 Oct 2020, 3:38 pm » wrote: Obamacare is private health insurance companies. That's the opposite of Medicare For All which is the only way to truly save. Your team has repeal and no replace. I have repeal and replace. Medicare For All also puts everything in one provider network. See how that squashes your doctor narrative?

Did I see you call providing health insurance "socialist"  Thelmalina?

Israel provides total lifetime health coverage. (We give them 4 billion $ a year.)

Is Israel "socialist"  Thelmalina?

Answer me, Thelmalina.
Answer me first, ****!  Did you or did you not believe what Obama told you about Obamacare?

And health insurance is NOT socialist.  It BECOMES a socialist program when the government pays for it, and it's no different than paying you food stamps, Sec. 8 Housing, or any other form of welfare.
 

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Zeets2 » 22 Oct 2020, 3:42 pm » wrote: Answer me first, ****!  Did you or did you not believe what Obama told you about Obamacare?

And health insurance is NOT socialist.  It BECOMES a socialist program when the government pays for it, and it's no different than paying you food stamps, Sec. 8 Housing, or any other form of welfare.
I don't believe Obama/Biden then nor now on private health insurance optimally being the foundation of American health coverage. They wasted their super majority on a failed concept, Thelmalina, Queen of Dodgeball.

Israel pays for all of its citizens to have total lifetime health coverage, Thelmalina Queen of Dodgeball.

Is Israel "socialist" now that this has been dissected more for your hair-splitter, Thelmalina Queen of Dodgeball?

 

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WillFranklin » 22 Oct 2020, 3:50 pm » wrote: I don't believe Obama/Biden then nor now on private health insurance optimally being the foundation of American health coverage. They wasted their super majority on a failed concept, Thelmalina, Queen of Dodgeball.

Israel pays for all of its citizens to have total lifetime health coverage, Thelmalina Queen of Dodgeball.

Is Israel "socialist" now that this has been dissected more for your hair-splitter, Thelmalina Queen of Dodgeball?
Israel has socialist programs just like we do, don't they?  And their healthcare is not entirely free either, and they still get a choice in whether to participate in the state program or a private one, and they even have an option to pay more for better supplemental insurance if they want it.  Do they have every other social program that we do?  I doubt it.  So it isn't anything near the kind of plan you favor, nor does it outlaw private health insurance like Kamala the Dope wants!  So what does that prove?  Does that make them equally a Socialist country in the same capacity as Greece or Sweden?  Do you even have a point besides the one atop your empty head?  Is it that there's a divining line called Socialism that we will suddenly cross if we institute free healthcare for all like you want?  Only liberal dolts like yourself give a **** what it's CALLED!  I'm against it because it's been a proven failure everywhere it's tried, with ever-increasing taxes to pay for only mediocre quality care, long wait times for many surgeries, and a doctor's office about as efficient and caring as your local DMV.  And if you think that under your plan, illegals won't be covered or that you expect to see the wealthy among us waiting in line at some clinic behind 2 illegals with crabs, a welfare queen with 3 sneezing kids, and some liberal with a splinter in his pinky, you're even dumber than I would have believed!   
 

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WillFranklin » 22 Oct 2020, 7:59 am » wrote: Everyone pays their taxes in April.
Remember that faceplant Swillie???

Good times...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

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Crazytrain » 22 Oct 2020, 8:19 am » wrote: Actually Biden and harris don't support illegals getting healthcare

I kinda remember them raising their hand during the dem debate. 

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SixShooter » 22 Oct 2020, 6:39 pm » wrote: Remember that faceplant Swillie???

Good times...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Timestamp says this morning at 8:59.

SO long ago.

Funny edit that shows you lost that argument the way I really told the story, which wasn't those words.

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Zeets2 » 22 Oct 2020, 5:57 pm » wrote: Israel has socialist programs just like we do, don't they?  And their healthcare is not entirely free either, and they still get a choice in whether to participate in the state program or a private one, and they even have an option to pay more for better supplemental insurance if they want it.  Do they have every other social program that we do?  I doubt it.  So it isn't anything near the kind of plan you favor, nor does it outlaw private health insurance like Kamala the Dope wants!  So what does that prove?  Does that make them equally a Socialist country in the same capacity as Greece or Sweden?  Do you even have a point besides the one atop your empty head?  Is it that there's a divining line called Socialism that we will suddenly cross if we institute free healthcare for all like you want?  Only liberal dolts like yourself give a **** what it's CALLED!  I'm against it because it's been a proven failure everywhere it's tried, with ever-increasing taxes to pay for only mediocre quality care, long wait times for many surgeries, and a doctor's office about as efficient and caring as your local DMV.  And if you think that under your plan, illegals won't be covered or that you expect to see the wealthy among us waiting in line at some clinic behind 2 illegals with crabs, a welfare queen with 3 sneezing kids, and some liberal with a splinter in his pinky, you're even dumber than I would have believed!

Wait times for nonessential care are a little longer but that is all. You have no valid argument and ran out of distractions and lies.

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dontlooknow » 22 Oct 2020, 7:50 am » wrote: I support free healthcare for people in the country illegally and intend on voting for Biden and Harris because of this plan

Who the **** asked or cares what you support dopey?
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Crazytrain » 22 Oct 2020, 8:19 am » wrote: Actually Biden and harris don't support illegals getting healthcare
That is the SOK DLN speaking! Not the real one!  
 

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nuckinfutz » 22 Oct 2020, 7:45 pm » wrote: That is the SOK DLN speaking! Not the real one!

Oh dear. Why is this dontlooknow so important?

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WillFranklin » 22 Oct 2020, 7:35 pm » wrote: Timestamp says this morning at 8:59.

SO long ago.

Funny edit that shows you lost that argument the way I really told the story, which wasn't those words.

Yes it was those words. Don't lie Swillie.

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WillFranklin » 22 Oct 2020, 7:36 pm » wrote: Wait times for nonessential care are a little longer but that is all. You have no valid argument and ran out of distractions and lies.
****!  Wait times for common surgeries like hip or knee replacements are at least 3-4 months in Canada and 4 months to a year in England.  I had my hip replacements done 3 times and never waited more than 2 weeks.  I had kidney surgery this past May, at a time when hospitals were worried about being flooded with Covid-19 patients, and I waited less than 3 weeks.

Guess you never had to deal with the pain of a hip or knee problem for a year like people must do in England, or you may not be so eager to invoke a similar system here.  And if you bothered look at the history of problems and delays that other countries are having, you would find that the overall costs are rising dramatically and the wait times are increasing from year to year, NOT getting better.

Liberal socialists like yourself want free ****.  It's all you know, and you've convinced yourself of how great it would be while never stopping to think for a minute why so many thousands of people from countries that have universal health care are willing to come to the US and PAY OUT OF POCKET to get the care they need WHEN THEY NEED IT!  We've got the best healthcare in the world right here, despite how you dumb libs have worked to destroy it! 

Read these excerpts and educate your dumb self!
Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2019 Report
Frasier Institute — Published on December 10, 2019

Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Institute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have increased since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 20.9 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—longer than the wait of 19.8 weeks reported in 2018. This year’s wait time is just shy of the longest wait time recorded in this survey’s history (21.2 weeks in 2017) and is 124% longer than in 1993, when it was just 9.3 weeks.
Wait Times for Cancer Treatment in Canada
CTOAM Cancer Treatment Options and Management

Like other countries, the Canadian government is now recognizing the urgent need to implement policies to decrease wait times – however, so far no action has been taken. And so it remains just another example of the many challenges currently facing the Canadian health care system: Canada was recently ranked "10th out of 11 wealthy nations in terms of health care" in a study sponsored by the Commonwealth Fund. Beating out only the US for quality of health care – second-last place does not inspire confidence.
  • Long wait times are part of the problem, with Canada having the "the highest proportion of patients with long delays to see specialists." (56% of patients wait more than four weeks; the international average is 36%.) Needing to wait this long for diagnosis and treatment results in many cancer patients not getting the treatment they need in time.
 
 

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dontlooknow » 22 Oct 2020, 7:50 am » wrote: I support free healthcare for people in the country illegally and intend on voting for Biden and Harris because of this plan

 
I can't do anything against it, can I?

I get no choice outside death and taxes in this social arena of ideologies directing social outcomes from now on. Mob rule, numbers win and singularities lost their liberties to be human replacements that understand life doesn't exceed timed apart so far.

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Zeets2 » 23 Oct 2020, 7:58 am » wrote: ****!  Wait times for common surgeries like hip or knee replacements are at least 3-4 months in Canada and 4 months to a year in England.  I had my hip replacements done 3 times and never waited more than 2 weeks.  I had kidney surgery this past May, at a time when hospitals were worried about being flooded with Covid-19 patients, and I waited less than 3 weeks.

Guess you never had to deal with the pain of a hip or knee problem for a year like people must do in England, or you may not be so eager to invoke a similar system here.  And if you bothered look at the history of problems and delays that other countries are having, you would find that the overall costs are rising dramatically and the wait times are increasing from year to year, NOT getting better.

Liberal socialists like yourself want free ****.  It's all you know, and you've convinced yourself of how great it would be while never stopping to think for a minute why so many thousands of people from countries that have universal health care are willing to come to the US and PAY OUT OF POCKET to get the care they need WHEN THEY NEED IT!  We've got the best healthcare in the world right here, despite how you dumb libs have worked to destroy it! 

Read these excerpts and educate your dumb self!
In American they do without, or when we finally let the poorer ones in for their procedures they leave with a medical bankruptcy.

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WillFranklin » 23 Oct 2020, 4:52 pm » wrote: In American they do without, or when we finally let the poorer ones in for their procedures they leave with a medical bankruptcy.
Still full of **** I see.

Don't you ever get tired of lying Swillie?

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WillFranklin » 23 Oct 2020, 4:52 pm » wrote: In American they do without, or when we finally let the poorer ones in for their procedures they leave with a medical bankruptcy.
That's a lie, and you know it!  NO ONE in the US is permitted to be turned away from a hospital who needs medical care. Plain and simply, you lie because you know that you can't sell the truth.
 

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