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FOS » 25 Oct 2020, 12:23 pm » wrote: Quite simple: the ai would be stumped trying to answer the question of why it exists.
It, unlike humanity, has a an answer, if it asks.

And A.I. is nothing likely purely rational.  Think of it like a toddler with a set of blocks, only it plays will knowledge instead.

 
 
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Pengwin » 25 Oct 2020, 2:03 pm » wrote: It, unlike humanity, has a an answer, if it asks.

And A.I. is nothing likely purely rational.  Think it like a toddler with a set of blocks, only it plays will knowledge instead.
Uh...i am humanity and as you can see I have an answer.

What answer would AI give me? 'I was created by humans for...'

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FOS » 25 Oct 2020, 2:14 pm » wrote: Uh...i am humanity and as you can see I have an answer.

What answer would AI give me? 'I was created by humans..'
..to understand all that can be understood.  And the A.I. it creates will have a different answer, and so will the one after that.

And the answer you gave yourself is entirely subjective as humans have no objective reason for why they exist.

They have an obvious biological impulse, like all living things, but that's it.  Not much meaning in **** like rabbits...
 
 
 
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Pengwin » 25 Oct 2020, 2:03 pm » wrote: It, unlike humanity, has a an answer, if it asks.

And A.I. is nothing likely purely rational.  Think it like a toddler with a set of blocks, only it plays will knowledge instead.
I know it. it thinks like a two year ol. not in our life time. It cracks me up?

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Pengwin » 25 Oct 2020, 2:17 pm » wrote: ..to understand all that can be understood.  And the A.I. it creates will have a different answer, and so will the one after that.

And the answer you gave yourself is entirely subjective as humans have no objective reason for why they exist.

They have an obvious biological impulse, like all living things, but that's it.  Not much meaning in **** like rabbits...
That is my point. Nothing has an objective reason for its existence. Nothing.

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FOS » 25 Oct 2020, 2:20 pm » wrote: That is my point. Nothing has an objective reason for its existence. Nothing.
A.I. does.

Anything physical created by man does, even if it doesn't know it.  Even art, which just hangs on the wall.
 

Here is both together:

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Pengwin » 25 Oct 2020, 2:22 pm » wrote: A.I. does.

Anything physical created by man does, even if it doesn't know it.  Even art, which just hangs on the wall.
Art is not objective

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FOS » 25 Oct 2020, 1:39 pm » wrote:
GeorgeWashington » 25 Oct 2020, 1:34 pm » wrote: Why do you assume AI would not also conclude that replication is its prime directive?
We would have to hardwire that. Anyway that would preclude the ai being some perfectly rational being.
If we would have to hardwire that, then we would have to hardwire everything, and it would no longer be AI.  It would be just another program running its routines - like this forum. 

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FOS » 25 Oct 2020, 2:24 pm » wrote: Art is not objective
It doesn't need to be objective to have an objective reason for existing.


 

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Pengwin » 25 Oct 2020, 2:29 pm » wrote: It doesn't need to be objective to have an objective reason for existing.
Well
..what is that then?

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FOS » 25 Oct 2020, 2:31 pm » wrote: Well
..what is that then?
Human enjoyment, human pleasure, human expression, human impulse, or, any conscious living being that can express whatever ____ it wants to in the form of artworks.

Here is an elephant:

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Pengwin » 25 Oct 2020, 2:37 pm » wrote: Human enjoyment, human pleasure, human expression, human impulse, or, anything conscious living thing that can express whatever ____ it wants to in the form of artworks.

Here is an elephant:

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https://thaielephantart.com/#sthash.ixIKEcEI.dpbs
Literally subjective by definition.

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FOS » 25 Oct 2020, 2:38 pm » wrote: Literally subjective by definition.
The form of expression is, not the reason for it.  Two different things.
 

Imagine a child in rain boots jumping up and down in a puddle.  It serves no objective purpose, it's just fun to do so so - they do.
 
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Pengwin » 25 Oct 2020, 2:40 pm » wrote: The form of expression is, not the reason for it.  Two different things.
No. Both.

Stones exist. Show me a painting by a stone.

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FOS » 25 Oct 2020, 1:24 pm » wrote: Humans do know why they exist. It just is not concious knowledge. We exist to reproduce.

We exist to continue our existence? Why do we need to exist at all? Says who and under what authority do they get to say that?

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Vegas » 25 Oct 2020, 2:42 pm » wrote: We exist to continue our existence? Why do we need to exist at all? Says who and under what authority do they get to say that?
Exactly. It is totally irrational.

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FOS » 25 Oct 2020, 2:41 pm » wrote: No. Both.

Stones exist. Show me a painting by a stone.

 
It is not a conscious living being, as far as we know.

Show me a child who doesn't make art?  It's human nature to do so and we know this objectively even though the act itself is - subjective.

 

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Pengwin » 25 Oct 2020, 2:43 pm » wrote: It is not a conscious living being, as far as we know.

Show me a child who doesn't make art?  It's human nature to do so and we know this objectively even though the act itself is - subjective.
Well. That is the difference isn't it? Subjective vs objective.

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Vegas » 25 Oct 2020, 2:42 pm » wrote: We exist to continue our existence? Why do we need to exist at all? Says who and under what authority do they get to say that?
1. Selfish Gene theory.
2. No reason.
3. Lots of people, and there is no "authority" as far as we know.  It's just being objective.

War and Sex covers most of what humans get up to.  Most of them are good for little else.

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FOS » 25 Oct 2020, 2:45 pm » wrote: Well. That is the difference isn't it? Subjective vs objective.
A teenage boy masturbating? Objective.

His fantasy? Likely subjective (but it could also be objective, like a pair of panties he is _____ing.
 

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