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Taipan » 14 Nov 2020, 5:26 pm » wrote: Would you rather see Jeb Bush or DJ Trump as President ?
What position has Trump taken that is not conservative Republican?
Seriously? The budget deficit grew more BEFORE COVID 19 than at any time before? That's one point maybe? Disengagement from NATO, and allies around the globe that don't kow-tow to this man; a subservience to our avowed enemies, inability for strategic thought (show me a strategy this man followed; HR McMaster's book is useful- a genius Trump fired for insufficient subservience) -a misadventure with a 'trade war' that China won, and spawned them to develop their own semiconductor industry that we could have disabled in a fight when it mattered, not anymore...As to social values, the man's behavior is far louder than his words, unless you call the NY radio stations he called into himself (as someone else) to brag about his sexual prowess, yeah...amongst pursuing children of employees (Samantha Cohen), Reaganite move there...He is a deeply indebted fraud; but maybe you can teach me something...a real businessman or businesswoman elevates those around them, anyone with the misfortune to enter Trumps world is bankrupted, broken and in jail. Can you tell me someone who profited after entering and leaving this man's circle? What is their name? Anyway, real conservatives value balanced budgets, capable defense and honorable personal conduct. That's your answer.
 
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Taipan » 14 Nov 2020, 5:29 pm » wrote: The Dems are seeking to destroy old-fashioned, armed,
White, Christian, Capitalist, America.

Is that your position, also?                                     

Trumpists fantasize about a cross between "Leave it to Beaver', and Afghanistan. No pesky minorities, everyone heavily armed and it's OK to blow people up or shoot them if they don't agree with you. That is the fantasy Trumpists cling to, as they collect Government disability checks, then deride the same...

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ForestRock » 21 Nov 2020, 10:44 am » wrote: Trumpists fantasize about a cross between "Leave it to Beaver', and Afghanistan. No pesky minorities, everyone heavily armed and it's OK to blow people up or shoot them if they don't agree with you. That is the fantasy Trumpists cling to, as they collect Government disability checks, then deride the same...

Judging from this one little bit of text, it's likely you've never met a Trump support...maybe never a Republican. For that reason, it's easy to assign thoughts to that group of people.

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solon » 14 Nov 2020, 2:33 pm » wrote: Glad to see you post that. I am certainly glad there are some rational Republicans out there however I have to say where were you when your side began attacking the left making the word libearl a perjorative? When Rush and Coulter began to take over the messaging of your party turning it away from policy and toward nothing but HATE the left? When dogwhistle racism became pro forma and they TRAINED the right to become the Frankenstines monster that Trump was able to take control of by being MORE disgusting racist and hatefilled than the other candidates?  When Newt Gingrich was sent out a congressional memo telling other Republicans that when they speak to the press about Democrats to use words like sick and pervertted?

I am not trying to attack you at all but I SAW all that happeing and didnt see much pushback from anywhere in your party. Those were the first steps TOWARD Trumpism
Fair, but there has been a real bias from the left (I'm talking the 90's here), that fueled the rise of right wing media extremism. Call me any name you want, as a Republican that fights as much as I can against Trumpists, but before Trump, most often argued with liberals - though we always parted respectfully-  I've been called about everything, but the idea that there was no voice for many led to the rise of Fox News and an overt bias. It is not surprising to me that Fox is being overtaken by ever more radical figures- Trumpists are where radical Islamists were in the early 90's, self radicalizing.  I never feared the left, I did long fear what the response to their excesses would be, now we have it. What is the future? The Republican party largely doesn't exist...They have mostly subverted themselves to a man with no ideas, who's only talent is manipulating people, as he has done. There are a few of us left, but largely the Republican party's gerrymandering and the outmoded electoral college system exaggerates their relevance. America is changing, and America is what matters. Not the 'Leave it to Beaver' cross with Afghanistan that marks the Trumpian ideal world. 

Another thought, don't worry overmuch about transition, the reason Trump is stalling it is there is nothing to Transition, he fired competent and honorable people long ago. What's left is sycophant's who don't know what they're doing, there is no plan, process or procedure to transition. Hence the delay. 
 

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ForestRock » 21 Nov 2020, 11:03 am » wrote: Fair, but there has been a real bias from the left (I'm talking the 90's here), that fueled the rise of right wing media extremism. Call me any name you want, as a Republican that fights as much as I can against Trumpists, but before Trump, most often argued with liberals - though we always parted respectfully-  I've been called about everything, but the idea that there was no voice for many led to the rise of Fox News and an overt bias. It is not surprising to me that Fox is being overtaken by ever more radical figures- Trumpists are where radical Islamists were in the early 90's, self radicalizing.  I never feared the left, I did long fear what the response to their excesses would be, now we have it. What is the future? The Republican party largely doesn't exist...They have mostly subverted themselves to a man with no ideas, who's only talent is manipulating people, as he has done. There are a few of us left, but largely the Republican party's gerrymandering and the outmoded electoral college system exaggerates their relevance. America is changing, and America is what matters. Not the 'Leave it to Beaver' cross with Afghanistan that marks the Trumpian ideal world. 

Another thought, don't worry overmuch about transition, the reason Trump is stalling it is there is nothing to Transition, he fired competent and honorable people long ago. What's left is sycophant's who don't know what they're doing, there is no plan, process or procedure to transition. Hence the delay.

You seem too eager to bend over and let the left give it to you... a Romney type. The left loves someone who willfully submits and gladly loses. John McCain is a great example. The leftists can get along with somebody like that.

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neueregel » 21 Nov 2020, 11:01 am » wrote: Judging from this one little bit of text, it's likely you've never met a Trump support...maybe never a Republican. For that reason, it's easy to assign thoughts to that group of people.
hmmm.Is Michael Steele a Republican? (it's OK, look up who he is, he's on google), is Colin Powell a Republican (same as before), it's likely you have never met a genuine Patriot, someone who values the Constitution over anything else, you've never met anyone that doesn't watch Fox, Newsmax or OAN (I know you're programmed to lie now about how broad your information is) I'll use your Master's voice, SAD!

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neueregel » 21 Nov 2020, 11:14 am » wrote: You seem too eager to bend over and let the left give it to you... a Romney type. The left loves someone who willfully submits and gladly loses. John McCain is a great example. The leftists can get along with somebody like that.

You're right man, a real war hero  as opposed to Mr. Bone Spurs, is far left. One question ,what is 'The Left' to you exactly? I know the four horseman of the Idiocalypse from Fox, OAn and Newsmaxx don't tell you, they only vilify it, what is it exactly to you? I've never heard a Trumpist able to coherently describe what "The Left' actually is, maybe you'll be the first!

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ForestRock » 21 Nov 2020, 11:17 am » wrote: You're right man, a real war hero  as opposed to Mr. Bone Spurs, is far left. One question ,what is 'The Left' to you exactly? I know the four horseman of the Idiocalypse from Fox, OAn and Newsmaxx don't tell you, they only vilify it, what is it exactly to you? I've never heard a Trumpist able to coherently describe what "The Left' actually is, maybe you'll be the first!

You want a 'Trumpist' to answer the question but are asking me? I assume you think I'm a Trumpist. So first, define 'Trumpist', and let's see if I fit that definition.

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neueregel » 21 Nov 2020, 11:22 am » wrote: You want a 'Trumpist' to answer the question but are asking me? I assume you think I'm a Trumpist. So first, define 'Trumpist', and let's see if I fit that definition.

I almost enjoy the constant attack, as Trumpists have nothing to defend, it's so predictable. A Trumpist is someone who believes Trump and disregards anything else (The World, 2+2=4, Trump says 2+2 = 19; Trumpist, 2+2=19 and if you don't agree you are far left socialist biased media!). Although there is a stunning correlation to Trumpists and receipt of government/disability benefits I don't have enough there yet but soon will. Also, a correlation between Trumpists and lying about employment, education, etc..Again, to quote your Chieftain, SAD!

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ForestRock » 21 Nov 2020, 11:27 am » wrote: I almost enjoy the constant attack, as Trumpists have nothing to defend, it's so predictable. A Trumpist is someone who believes Trump and disregards anything else (The World, 2+2=4, Trump says 2+2 = 19; Trumpist, 2+2=19 and if you don't agree you are far left socialist biased media!). Although there is a stunning correlation to Trumpists and receipt of government/disability benefits I don't have enough there yet but soon will. Also, a correlation between Trumpists and lying about employment, education, etc..Again, to quote your Chieftain, SAD!

Oh. I don't meet that definition or anything close to it.

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...and by that definition, I've never met a 'Trumpist.'

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neueregel » 21 Nov 2020, 11:44 am » wrote: Oh. I don't meet that definition or anything close to it.

Indeed, I don't know or care about you individually any more than you do me, is there a relevant idea here or are we in some Trumpist (re:90's liberal fanatic ) form of 'Feelings', are we supposed to sing now or something? Good god. Be a Man or Woman. 

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ForestRock » 21 Nov 2020, 11:49 am » wrote: Indeed, I don't know or care about you individually any more than you do me, is there a relevant idea here or are we in some Trumpist (re:90's liberal fanatic ) form of 'Feelings', are we supposed to sing now or something? Good god. Be a Man or Woman.

You were wanting me to speak from a Trumpist perspective. Simply saying I'm not qualified nor know anyone who is. As a matter of fact, 'Trumpist' sounds more like a term reserved for anyone who doesn't swallow liberal orthodoxy than it does a real group of people...which is a pretty typical tactic for the left.

As a Republican, I'm sure you've been lumped into that group more often than not.

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neueregel » 21 Nov 2020, 11:55 am » wrote: You were wanting me to speak from a Trumpist perspective. Simply saying I'm not qualified nor know anyone who is. As a matter of fact, 'Trumpist' sounds more like a term reserved for anyone who doesn't swallow liberal orthodoxy than it does a real group of people...which is a pretty typical tactic for the left.

As a Republican, I'm sure you've been lumped into that group more often than not.

Really, when did I ask you to do that? I must have missed it. Again, what is 'The Left' in your view exactly? Economic? Social? Where someone sits in a classroom? Still an unanswered question.
 

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ForestRock » 21 Nov 2020, 11:59 am » wrote: Really, when did I ask you to do that? I must have missed it.
 
One question ,what is 'The Left' to you exactly? I know the four horseman of the Idiocalypse from Fox, OAn and Newsmaxx don't tell you, they only vilify it, what is it exactly to you? I've never heard a Trumpist able to coherently describe what "The Left' actually is, maybe you'll be the first!

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ForestRock » 21 Nov 2020, 11:27 am » wrote: I almost enjoy the constant attack, as Trumpists have nothing to defend, it's so predictable. A Trumpist is someone who believes Trump and disregards anything else (The World, 2+2=4, Trump says 2+2 = 19; Trumpist, 2+2=19 and if you don't agree you are far left socialist biased media!). Although there is a stunning correlation to Trumpists and receipt of government/disability benefits I don't have enough there yet but soon will. Also, a correlation between Trumpists and lying about employment, education, etc..Again, to quote your Chieftain, SAD!
How many sides of interpreting the center point of mutually alive exist in this multi-generation chart of populations achieved reproductively so far. Yes it works best re-engineering results of those living now?
https://i.postimg.cc/hPN5q9QP/Picture-124.jpg
Your time being alive is core and those of your DNA have 30 positions of ancestors reproducing your reproducers. 16 great great grandparents are the 16 sides of 4 parallel vertical axses supporting the 8 great grandparents to center axis of your mom and dad while the horizontal separating 4 grandparents.

DNA closed system to muutally evolving occupying space where the future only develops now in plain sight of each replacement adapting to sharing time as spaced apart here.

And you say point of origin is anywhere else beyond mutually adapting in plain sight.
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neueregel » 21 Nov 2020, 12:02 pm » wrote: One question ,what is 'The Left' to you exactly? I know the four horseman of the Idiocalypse from Fox, OAn and Newsmaxx don't tell you, they only vilify it, what is it exactly to you? I've never heard a Trumpist able to coherently describe what "The Left' actually is, maybe you'll be the first!
I don't know your level of training in English, but I haven't heard a Trumpist do it, can you? Maybe you'll be the first human! .So far nothing...So predictable.
 

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ForestRock » 21 Nov 2020, 12:12 pm » wrote: I don't know your level of training in English, but I haven't heard a Trumpist do it, can you? Maybe you'll be the first human! .So far nothing...So predictable.
 
Intellectual social identity is context acting larger than the displaced reproductive proportionately here result sustaining the numbers populating the atmosphere as a species so far.

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ForestRock » 21 Nov 2020, 11:59 am » wrote: Again, what is 'The Left' in your view exactly? Economic? Social? Where someone sits in a classroom? Still an unanswered question.
 
To answer your question, I see "The Left" broken into main categories that include Democrats, Liberals and Leftists. Socialists, Communists, and anarchists are smaller subgroups but are gaining in popularity as traditional, JFK Democrats become increasingly fewer. The main hallmark of "The Left" is bigotry with that trait being more prevalent the farther left your go.

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ForestRock » 21 Nov 2020, 12:12 pm » wrote: I don't know your level of training in English, but I haven't heard a Trumpist do it, can you? Maybe you'll be the first human! .So far nothing...So predictable.
Perhaps you can see how your poor wording might have caused confusion?

Your question rephrased: "I've never seen a dog cook pancakes. Can you?"

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