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I have never agreed with the death penalty and have given MONEY to groups to oppose it. We need to join the civilized world on this issue

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The death penalty is perfectly legal if it is self defense

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solon » 15 Nov 2020, 3:59 pm » wrote: I have never agreed with the death penalty and have given MONEY to groups to oppose it. We need to join the civilized world on this issue
  With all the verification/analytical-gear we've got, currently, it's time we understand normal-people don't fly-off the handle...and, murder someone.....and, Evil's got nothing to do, with it.

When it's been proven people actively-choose to be mentally-ill, that'd be time to consider the containment/imprisonment/research option....but, exterminating people....who never had the opportunity to live a Life without mental-illness....just for the entertainment of the general-population....seems kinda perverse.
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FOS » 15 Nov 2020, 4:07 pm » wrote:
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The death penalty is perfectly legal if it is self defense
 
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The Death Penalty is merely one, more, o' those band-aids we put on our problems, 'cause we're too-****'-lazy/cheap to fix the actual problem.

Mankind has come-up with some fairly-creative ways to punish/exterminate other men....but, to date, the murders keep happening.
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Accused: Guilty or Innocent?Accused: Guilty or Innocent? offers an intimate account of what happens when someone is formally charged with a crime and sent to trial – all solely from the perspective of the accused, their legal team and family members. Each episode follows the accused person’s journey through the planning of their legal defense, the trial and, ultimately, the verdict. As evidence mounts and the trial approaches, these emotional stories provide a first-hand look at what it is like when your freedom is on the line..https://play.aetv.com/shows/accused-gui ... t#episodes  

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Given how many inmates have been executed, though were 'possibly' innocent, the death penalty should be abolished nationwide. Allegedly innocent is not the same as innocent, but it sure as hell isn't the same as 100% guilty either. 

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Fighting Maricopa Countys Rampant Prosecutorial Misconduct
April 14, 2019
 
"Despite the devastating harm caused to these two lives, and the great harm to the integrity of the criminal legal system, the Arizona State Bar never disciplined Levy for his gross misconduct in either case. It’s no coincidence that Maricopa County is one of the largest contributors of new death sentences in the entire country, in part due to its aggressive, overzealous, and often unethical prosecutors."
 

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Vegas » 18 Nov 2020, 3:54 pm » wrote: Given how many inmates have been executed, though were 'possibly' innocent, the death penalty should be abolished nationwide. Allegedly innocent is not the same as innocent, but it sure as hell isn't the same as 100% guilty either. 

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Just curious...in which US court is that a requirement?

And to the OP...pot's not legal.  It is still considered a control substance on the federal level and state laws cannot contradict federal law.   All those state laws are unconstitutional...nobody has bothered to challenge them (yet).
 

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ConsRule » 19 Nov 2020, 3:16 pm » wrote: Just curious...in which US court is that a requirement?

And to the OP...pot's not legal.  It is still considered a control substance on the federal level and state laws cannot contradict federal law.   All those state laws are unconstitutional...nobody has bothered to challenge them (yet).

The point is that unless we can determine a person to be guilty 100%, then we shouldn't kill anyone. It's far more evil to kill an innocent person than to allow a guilty person to go free. 

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Public Support For The Death Penalty Lowest In Half-Century
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Secrecy And The Death Penalty In The United States
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"During the past seven years, states have begun conducting executions with drugs and drug combinations that have never been tried before. They have done so behind an expanding veil of secrecy laws that shield the execution process from public scrutiny.

 As pharmaceutical companies have taken action to prevent states from using their medicines to execute prisoners, states have responded by procuring whatever drugs seem available and obtaining them secretly through questionable means.

 This retreat into secrecy has occurred at the same time that states have conducted some of the most problematic executions in American history. Lethal injection was supposed to be a more humane method of execution than hanging, the firing squad, or the electric chair, but there have been frequent reports of prisoners who were still awake and apparently experiencing suffocation and excruciating pain after they were supposed to be insensate. These problems have intensified with the use of new drug formulas, often including midazolam. In 2017, more than 60% of the executions carried out with midazolam produced eyewitness reports of an execution gone amiss, with problems ranging from labored breathing to gasping, heaving, writhing, and clenched fists. In several of these cases, state officials denied that the execution was problematic, asserting that all had proceeded according to protocol. But without access to information about drugs and the execution process, there is no way the public can judge for itself."

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Vegas » 19 Nov 2020, 3:19 pm » wrote: The point is that unless we can determine a person to be guilty 100%, then we shouldn't kill anyone. It's far more evil to kill an innocent person than to allow a guilty person to go free.
Even if proven that the criminal is 100% guilty of a capital crime, I don't agree with the death penalty. Putting someone gently to sleep after a decade of preparation for their death is hardly a commiserate punishment. Their victims weren't given a decade to discover Jesus. To increase their knowledge and enlightenment. Their victims were attacked, often tortured, often raped, and killed. Capital punishment does not compare to the unchecked brutality suffered by the victims. Nor should it. As we won't install a system that ensures death row inmates are subjected to the same horrors they inflicted on their victims, it will never be a just punishment. 
 
 
 
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I’m not sure how the two go together 

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Atomicblonde » 27 Nov 2020, 1:26 pm » wrote: I’m not sure how the two go together
They don't except they are both part of the same agenda. Legalize pot and remove the death penalty. I actually agree with both.
 

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Neo » 27 Nov 2020, 1:33 pm » wrote: They don't except they are both part of the same agenda. Legalize pot and remove the death penalty. I actually agree with both.
sure. Keep us all high so the criminals won’t bother us as much. 
 

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Atomicblonde » 27 Nov 2020, 1:26 pm » wrote:

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Vegas » 18 Nov 2020, 3:54 pm » wrote: Given how many inmates have been executed, though were 'possibly' innocent, the death penalty should be abolished nationwide. Allegedly innocent is not the same as innocent, but it sure as hell isn't the same as 100% guilty either. 

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Yeah it wont surprise you to hear I agree with you on that one.  When the Republican governor of Illinois abolished the death penalty in their state since they had executed 12 people since the death penalty had been re established but had to let 13 GO because they had been PROVEN innoncent and the case that broke the back of Illinois death penatly was particularly infuriating since  a journalism class noticed something that PVOED his innocence and no one in the justice dept was involved. I looked at a bunch of stats that came out with the revues each state did OF their death penatly cases

maryland took it to their legislature because they found serious and reversable errors in 66% of their death penalty cases but the legislature wasnt too impressed since  THAT was BELOW the national average. On THIRD of death panalty defense lawyers during Bush jrs riegn as governor were later DISBARRED for being drunk on drugs or asleep during their trials. Yeah even if you believe in the death panalty which I DONT, our justice dept is too INCOMPETENT to be killing people based on their recommendation