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Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2020, 10:41 pm » wrote: I didn't hear any of them running their dick kissers about there being 6 sexes and 7 million genders, fruit cake.

If they had, I'm sure you would be more receptive.  
 Why did you unpin that interesting thread about libertarians and move it to the dungeon, sicko? Is that abuse of moderator privileges? 
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OdeToJoy » 20 Nov 2020, 11:10 pm » wrote:  
 The Great Barrington Declaration was authored by Sunetra Gupta of the University of OxfordJay Bhattacharya of Stanford University, and Martin Kulldorff of Harvard University.  It was sponsored by the American Institute for Economic Research, a libertarian think tank that is part of a Koch-funded network of organizations associated with climate change denial.
No wonder the underlying research and the credentials of the signatories are hidden.  
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https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/10/1 ... denialist/

As of the time of writing, the Declaration claims to be signed by over 5,000 ‘Medical & Public Health Scientists’ and 11,267 ‘Medical Practitioners’, along with over 155,000 members of the general public.

The claim that “thousands of scientists” are supporting the Barrington Declaration was reported far and wide by major media outlets from the BBC to the Daily Mail. But when I attempted to check how the signatory process works, I discovered that there was no vetting procedure in place for signatories – anybody could become a confirmed signatory of the Declaration and be categorised as a scientist or medic by falsifying entry information and ticking a box. By experimenting with the process myself, I was able to add myself as a signatory under the ‘Medical & Public Health Scientists’ category and received an automated email confirming this.”

Others listed include a resident at the “university of your mum” and another supposed specialist whose name was the first verse of the Macarena.

Sky News discovered 18 self-declared homeopaths in the list of expert names and more than 100 therapists whose expertise included massage, hypnotherapy and Mongolian khoomii singing.
 
 

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Olivaw » 20 Nov 2020, 11:10 pm » wrote:  Why did you unpin that interesting thread about libertarians and move it to the dungeon, sicko? Is that abuse of moderator privileges?

Lofl. You are abusing your dick sucking privileges.

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The White House-backed 'Great Barrington Declaration' calling for herd immunity wouldn't just fail — it could lead to 640,000 deaths

https://www.businessinsider.com/herd-im ... rk-2020-10

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OdeToJoy » 20 Nov 2020, 11:17 pm » wrote: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/10/1 ... denialist/

As of the time of writing, the Declaration claims to be signed by over 5,000 ‘Medical & Public Health Scientists’ and 11,267 ‘Medical Practitioners’, along with over 155,000 members of the general public.

The claim that “thousands of scientists” are supporting the Barrington Declaration was reported far and wide by major media outlets from the BBC to the Daily Mail. But when I attempted to check how the signatory process works, I discovered that there was no vetting procedure in place for signatories – anybody could become a confirmed signatory of the Declaration and be categorised as a scientist or medic by falsifying entry information and ticking a box. By experimenting with the process myself, I was able to add myself as a signatory under the ‘Medical & Public Health Scientists’ category and received an automated email confirming this.”

Others listed include a resident at the “university of your mum” and another supposed specialist whose name was the first verse of the Macarena.

Sky News discovered 18 self-declared homeopaths in the list of expert names and more than 100 therapists whose expertise included massage, hypnotherapy and Mongolian khoomii singing.
The above tripe is brought to you by "veterans today - serving the clandestine community since 2004."

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OdeToJoy » 20 Nov 2020, 11:22 pm » wrote: The White House-backed 'Great Barrington Declaration' calling for herd immunity wouldn't just fail — it could lead to 640,000 deaths

https://www.businessinsider.com/herd-im ... rk-2020-10

Don't you mean BILLIONS, darling?

Say, have you happened upon any of the 50 million climate refugees we were told by "science" to expect by 2010? They're late, and one tends to worry...  
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Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2020, 11:26 pm » wrote: The above tripe is brought to you by "veterans today - serving the clandestine community since 2004."

Another name for the onion - what a rube.      
 
heck out THIS unretouched photo - FROM THEIR FRONT PAGE:

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They just quoted other sources.

 And that picture pretty well matches my vision of Trump.

I think We could all ask ourselves why nobody had any interest in allowing polio to roll across the country until we got "herd immunity."

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OdeToJoy » 20 Nov 2020, 11:32 pm » wrote: They just quoted other sources.
Yes, without links.

They seem QUITE dedicated to "serving the clandestine community." I would applaud them, but I don't want to give away the clandestine community's whereabouts.    
 
 
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OdeToJoy » 20 Nov 2020, 11:22 pm » wrote: The White House-backed 'Great Barrington Declaration' calling for herd immunity wouldn't just fail — it could lead to 640,000 deaths

https://www.businessinsider.com/herd-im ... rk-2020-10
From your source:

"One projection suggests attempting herd immunity could lead to 640,000 additional deaths by February 2023."

The very saddest part of all this is that you don't see what's wrong with this. You think it's "science" - like when female souls are misplaced by agencies unknown into male bodies.
 
 
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Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2020, 11:19 pm » wrote: Lofl. You are abusing your dick sucking privileges.

I don't explain myself to *** ever, much less to *** who've not managed to grasp basic biology, fruit cake.
Don’t you think it reflects poorly on the forum when you abuse moderator privileges to hide threads in the dungeon after getting your weakling ask kicked, pedoboy? 
 
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Olivaw » 20 Nov 2020, 11:42 pm » wrote: Don’t you think it reflects poorly on the forum when you abuse moderator privileges to hide threads in the dungeon after getting your weakling ask kicked, pedoboy?

Don't you think it reflects poorly on your mum that she entertains elderly negro gentlemen, and even provides the refreshments, while you look on in sexually frustrated horror?
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The problem with "herd immunity" is that there isn't any diseases in which that has worked.

That is why we are vaccinated for all of these diseases.

Rheumatic fever, tuberculosis, polio, diptheria, whooping cough, measles, mumps, German measles, chicken pox, smallpox, and a multitude of other diseases have been rolling through the world in repeated epidemics, and no "herd immunity" ever happened.

The only thing that stopped these diseases was vaccinations and modern antibiotics.
 

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Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2020, 11:44 pm » wrote: Don't you think it reflects poorly on your mum that she entertains elderly negro gentlemen, and even provides the refreshments, while you look on in sexually frustrated horror?
Remember that Libertardian thread that you hid in the dungeon after you got your *** handed to you on a platter, sicko?

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expert reaction to Barrington Declaration, an open letter arguing against lockdown policies and for ‘Focused Protection’

An open letter has been published, arguing against lockdown policies and for ‘Focused Protection’.

Dr Julian Tang, Honorary Associate Professor in Respiratory Sciences, University of Leicester, said:

“Having watched their video and read their Declaration, I can understand their concerns and their aims, but they are not very clear about how they will carry out their proposed ‘Focused Protection’.

“The interviewer gave a very simple example of a grandparent looking after a school-age child, highlighting one household member (the child) who would not be expected to suffer from COVID-19 much, who would attend a large gathering with other young people on a daily basis, but where the other household member (the grandparent) should be ‘protected’.

“But the reply from Dr. Jay Bhattacharya in the video was not really understandable and had no practical details of how this would be done.

“In fact, this ‘Focused Protection’ approach is used each year during our annual influenza season, where we vaccinate the vulnerable – elderly and those with comorbidities – including pregnancy: ; and even primary school children who have contact with such vulnerable groups in an effort to further protect the vulnerable:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinati ... u-vaccine/

“And if this fails to prevent influenza infection of the vulnerable groups, we have antivirals like oseltamivir and zanamivir that we can give to anyone who has influenza or in whom we even just suspect influenza (as empirical therapy during the influenza season) to reduce the severity of their illness.

“But we don’t yet have these additional ‘tools’ (the vaccine and antivirals) for COVID-19, to assist with this ‘Focused Protection’ approach.

“A similar approach may also work for COVID-19 one day – indeed a similar vaccination strategy for COVID-19 to that of influenza (targeting the most vulnerable) has already been discussed in the UK; but we don’t have a COVID-19 vaccine yet, nor a more general use antiviral treatment.

“So I appreciate and understand the concerns and the sentiment behind this declaration, and of course other diseases are important and need attention, but without these anti-COVID-19 ‘tools’, I cannot see how they will achieve this ‘Focused Protection’ for these vulnerable groups in any practical, reliable or safe way.”

Dr Rupert Beale, Group Leader, Cell Biology of Infection Laboratory, Francis Crick Institute, said:

“An effective response to the Covid pandemic requires multiple targeted interventions to reduce transmission, to develop better treatments and to protect vulnerable people. This declaration prioritises just one aspect of a sensible strategy – protecting the vulnerable – and suggests we can safely build up ‘herd immunity’ in the rest of the population. This is wishful thinking. It is not possible to fully identify vulnerable individuals, and it is not possible to fully isolate them. Furthermore, we know that immunity to coronaviruses wanes over time, and re-infection is possible – so lasting protection of vulnerable individuals by establishing ‘herd immunity’ is very unlikely to be achieved in the absence of a vaccine. Individual scientists may reasonably disagree about the relative merits of various interventions, but they must be honest about the feasibility of what they propose. This declaration is therefore not a helpful contribution to the debate.”

“The Barrington Declaration is based upon a false premise – that governments and the scientific community wish for extensive lockdowns to continue until a vaccine is available. Lockdowns are only ever used when transmission is high, and now that we have some knowledge about how best to handle new outbreaks, most national and subnational interventions are much ‘lighter’ than the full suppressions we have seen for example in the UK across the spring of 2020.

“Those behind the Barrington Declaration are advocates of herd immunity within a population. They state that “Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal”, with the idea being that somehow the vulnerable of society will be protected from ensuing transmission of a dangerous virus. It is a very bad idea. We saw that even with intensive lockdowns in place, there was a huge excess death toll, with the elderly bearing the brunt of that, and 20-30% of the UK population would be classed as vulnerable to a severe COVID-19 infection. Around 8% of the UK population has some level of immunity to this novel coronavirus, and that immunity will likely wane over time and be insufficient to prevent a second infection. A strategy for herd immunity would also promote further inequalities across society, for example across the Black, Asian and minority ethnic communities. The declaration also ignores the emerging burdens of ‘long COVID’. We know that many people, even younger populations who suffered from an initially mild illness, are suffering from longer-term consequences of a COVID-19 infection.

“Independent SAGE are among the many scientists who have eloquently pointed out the many reasons why these initiatives are ultimately harmful and misleading as to the scientific evidence base. There are countries who are managing the pandemic relatively well, including South Korea and New Zealand, and their strategies do not include simply letting the virus run wild whilst hoping that the asthmatic community and the elderly can find somewhere to hide for 12 months. They have a proactive approach to ‘test and trace’ to reduce the impact of new outbreaks, and good public health messaging from the government to their populations. Ultimately, the Barrington Declaration is based on principles that are dangerous to national and global public health.

Dr Simon Clarke, Associate Professor of Cellular Microbiology at the University of Reading, said:

 “There is no current evidence about COVID-19 to suggest that a long-term passive approach has any merit.  Despite the huge advances in our understand of the coronavirus and resulting infection, we don’t know that herd immunity is even possible.  Natural, lasting, protective immunity to the disease would be needed and we don’t know how effective or long-lasting people’s post-infection immunity will be.  Just to find out whether this is possible, would be to consign a great many more thousands of people to their deaths, and many more would be left suffering from the effects of long covid, which even less is well understood.
 “There is also the fact that we haven’t properly got to grips with how to shield vulnerable populations adequately and neither do we have the capacity in the UK to test for asymptomatic infections.  Furthermore, we’re also still only scratching the surface of how the virus is transmitted
 
 Prof Jeremy Rossman, Honorary Senior Lecturer in Virology, University of Kent, said:

 “The actions taken to control COVID-19 have clearly had significant physical and mental health impacts across the population, often with the most disadvantaged suffering these consequences most acutely.  The Great Barrington Declaration attempts to alleviate these impacts by promoting herd immunity and the protection of vulnerable populations.  Unfortunately, this declaration ignores three critical aspects that could result in significant impacts to health and lives.  First, we still do not know if herd immunity is possible to achieve.  Herd immunity relies on lasting immunological protection from coronavirus re-infection; however, we have heard many recent cases of re-infection occurring and some research suggests protective antibody responses may decay rapidly.  Second, the declaration focuses only on the risk of death from COVID-19 but ignores the growing awareness of long-COVID, that many healthy young adults with ‘mild’ COVID-19 infections are experiencing protracted symptoms and long-term disability.  Third, countries that have forgone lockdown restrictions in favour of personal responsibility and focused protection of the elderly, such as Sweden, were not able to successfully protect the vulnerable population.  While there is clearly a need to support and ease the physical and mental health burdens many are suffering under, the proposed declaration is both unlikely to succeed and puts the long-term health of many at risk.”

 
 
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OdeToJoy » 20 Nov 2020, 11:44 pm » wrote: The problem with "herd immunity" is that there isn't any diseases in which that has worked.
Herpes simplex and the common cold (which is actually a couple of hundred saars related viruses, all of which produce similar symptoms) are two examples of diseases which once were deadly and are now reduced to mere nuisances due to herd immunity.

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Olivaw » 21 Nov 2020, 12:00 am » wrote: Remember that Libertardian thread that you hid in the dungeon after you got your *** handed to you on a platter, sicko?

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No, homosexual - I don't remember that.

Nor does your link lead to such.

Your link leads to a thread which the thread's own author repeatedly spammed, and in the end quite humiliated himself by pretending to have coined the word "sniveler," and then was further humiliated by the revelation that he had in fact cadged his thread's title from the fellow whom he falsely accused of plagiarism.

It was an epic meltdown, which only a maudlin whore's son could possibly mistake for anything else. I was actually embarrassed for the gay who started the thread, and for you. That you are NOT embarrassed by your ridiculous performance in the matter merely demonstrates what an effeminate cuck your mom raised.

You really are a stupid and desperate little crotch jockey.
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OdeToJoy » 21 Nov 2020, 12:03 am » wrote: expert reaction to Barrington Declaration, an open letter arguing against lockdown policies and for ‘Focused Protection’

An open letter has been published, arguing against lockdown policies and for ‘Focused Protection’.

Dr Julian Tang, Honorary Associate Professor in Respiratory Sciences, University of Leicester, said:

“Having watched their video and read their Declaration, I can understand their concerns and their aims, but they are not very clear about how they will carry out their proposed ‘Focused Protection’.

“The interviewer gave a very simple example of a grandparent looking after a school-age child, highlighting one household member (the child) who would not be expected to suffer from COVID-19 much, who would attend a large gathering with other young people on a daily basis, but where the other household member (the grandparent) should be ‘protected’.

“But the reply from Dr. Jay Bhattacharya in the video was not really understandable and had no practical details of how this would be done.

“In fact, this ‘Focused Protection’ approach is used each year during our annual influenza season, where we vaccinate the vulnerable – elderly and those with comorbidities – including pregnancy: ; and even primary school children who have contact with such vulnerable groups in an effort to further protect the vulnerable:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinati ... u-vaccine/

“And if this fails to prevent influenza infection of the vulnerable groups, we have antivirals like oseltamivir and zanamivir that we can give to anyone who has influenza or in whom we even just suspect influenza (as empirical therapy during the influenza season) to reduce the severity of their illness.

“But we don’t yet have these additional ‘tools’ (the vaccine and antivirals) for COVID-19, to assist with this ‘Focused Protection’ approach.

“A similar approach may also work for COVID-19 one day – indeed a similar vaccination strategy for COVID-19 to that of influenza (targeting the most vulnerable) has already been discussed in the UK; but we don’t have a COVID-19 vaccine yet, nor a more general use antiviral treatment.

“So I appreciate and understand the concerns and the sentiment behind this declaration, and of course other diseases are important and need attention, but without these anti-COVID-19 ‘tools’, I cannot see how they will achieve this ‘Focused Protection’ for these vulnerable groups in any practical, reliable or safe way.”

Dr Rupert Beale, Group Leader, Cell Biology of Infection Laboratory, Francis Crick Institute, said:

“An effective response to the Covid pandemic requires multiple targeted interventions to reduce transmission, to develop better treatments and to protect vulnerable people. This declaration prioritises just one aspect of a sensible strategy – protecting the vulnerable – and suggests we can safely build up ‘herd immunity’ in the rest of the population. This is wishful thinking. It is not possible to fully identify vulnerable individuals, and it is not possible to fully isolate them. Furthermore, we know that immunity to coronaviruses wanes over time, and re-infection is possible – so lasting protection of vulnerable individuals by establishing ‘herd immunity’ is very unlikely to be achieved in the absence of a vaccine. Individual scientists may reasonably disagree about the relative merits of various interventions, but they must be honest about the feasibility of what they propose. This declaration is therefore not a helpful contribution to the debate.”

“The Barrington Declaration is based upon a false premise – that governments and the scientific community wish for extensive lockdowns to continue until a vaccine is available. Lockdowns are only ever used when transmission is high, and now that we have some knowledge about how best to handle new outbreaks, most national and subnational interventions are much ‘lighter’ than the full suppressions we have seen for example in the UK across the spring of 2020.

“Those behind the Barrington Declaration are advocates of herd immunity within a population. They state that “Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal”, with the idea being that somehow the vulnerable of society will be protected from ensuing transmission of a dangerous virus. It is a very bad idea. We saw that even with intensive lockdowns in place, there was a huge excess death toll, with the elderly bearing the brunt of that, and 20-30% of the UK population would be classed as vulnerable to a severe COVID-19 infection. Around 8% of the UK population has some level of immunity to this novel coronavirus, and that immunity will likely wane over time and be insufficient to prevent a second infection. A strategy for herd immunity would also promote further inequalities across society, for example across the Black, Asian and minority ethnic communities. The declaration also ignores the emerging burdens of ‘long COVID’. We know that many people, even younger populations who suffered from an initially mild illness, are suffering from longer-term consequences of a COVID-19 infection.

“Independent SAGE are among the many scientists who have eloquently pointed out the many reasons why these initiatives are ultimately harmful and misleading as to the scientific evidence base. There are countries who are managing the pandemic relatively well, including South Korea and New Zealand, and their strategies do not include simply letting the virus run wild whilst hoping that the asthmatic community and the elderly can find somewhere to hide for 12 months. They have a proactive approach to ‘test and trace’ to reduce the impact of new outbreaks, and good public health messaging from the government to their populations. Ultimately, the Barrington Declaration is based on principles that are dangerous to national and global public health.

Dr Simon Clarke, Associate Professor of Cellular Microbiology at the University of Reading, said:

 “There is no current evidence about COVID-19 to suggest that a long-term passive approach has any merit.  Despite the huge advances in our understand of the coronavirus and resulting infection, we don’t know that herd immunity is even possible.  Natural, lasting, protective immunity to the disease would be needed and we don’t know how effective or long-lasting people’s post-infection immunity will be.  Just to find out whether this is possible, would be to consign a great many more thousands of people to their deaths, and many more would be left suffering from the effects of long covid, which even less is well understood.
 “There is also the fact that we haven’t properly got to grips with how to shield vulnerable populations adequately and neither do we have the capacity in the UK to test for asymptomatic infections.  Furthermore, we’re also still only scratching the surface of how the virus is transmitted
 
 Prof Jeremy Rossman, Honorary Senior Lecturer in Virology, University of Kent, said:

 “The actions taken to control COVID-19 have clearly had significant physical and mental health impacts across the population, often with the most disadvantaged suffering these consequences most acutely.  The Great Barrington Declaration attempts to alleviate these impacts by promoting herd immunity and the protection of vulnerable populations.  Unfortunately, this declaration ignores three critical aspects that could result in significant impacts to health and lives.  First, we still do not know if herd immunity is possible to achieve.  Herd immunity relies on lasting immunological protection from coronavirus re-infection; however, we have heard many recent cases of re-infection occurring and some research suggests protective antibody responses may decay rapidly.  Second, the declaration focuses only on the risk of death from COVID-19 but ignores the growing awareness of long-COVID, that many healthy young adults with ‘mild’ COVID-19 infections are experiencing protracted symptoms and long-term disability.  Third, countries that have forgone lockdown restrictions in favour of personal responsibility and focused protection of the elderly, such as Sweden, were not able to successfully protect the vulnerable population.  While there is clearly a need to support and ease the physical and mental health burdens many are suffering under, the proposed declaration is both unlikely to succeed and puts the long-term health of many at risk.”
The majority of your "experts" have honorary titles or serve in junior positions.

It's really quite sad that you didn't think to vet that tripe before posting it.
 
 
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Experts Forcefully Push Back on Barrington Declaration

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A letter signed by 80 researchers says the concept put forth by the Great Barrington Declaration is “a dangerous fallacy.”

The herd immunity approach championed by the Great Barrington Declaration would, if actually put into practice, prove disastrous for society as a whole and the healthcare system in particular. That’s the message in a memorandum that was written by 80 international researchers and published in The Lancet this week. That open letter, called the John Snow Memorandum, warns that a herd immunity approach to managing COVID-19 by allowing immunity to develop in low-risk populations while protecting the most vulnerable is “a dangerous fallacy unsupported by the scientific evidence.” That’s also a point made by Kevin Kavanagh, MD, a member of Infection Control Today®’s Editorial Advisory Board in his rebuttal to the Declaration.

Kavanagh wrote that “for infection preventionists and frontline healthcare workers, the Great Barrington Declaration places their lives and livelihood at risk.”

The authors of the John Snow Memorandum come from a variety of medical specialties including public health, epidemiology, medicine, pediatrics, sociology, virology, infectious disease, health systems, psychology, psychiatry, health policy, and mathematical modeling.

In the memorandum, the authors speak of success in some countries who have employed COVID-19 containment strategies.

“Japan, Vietnam, and New Zealand, to name a few countries, have shown that robust public health responses can control transmission, allowing life to return to near-normal, and there are many such success stories,” the authors wrote in the memorandum.

They also advocated for the continued approach to minimize risk of transmission. “The evidence is very clear: controlling community spread of COVID-19 is the best way to protect our societies and economies until safe and effective vaccines and therapeutics arrive within the coming months. We cannot afford distractions that undermine an effective response; it is essential that we act urgently based on the evidence.”
 

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