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Olivaw » 21 Nov 2020, 12:27 am » wrote:
Cannonpointer » 21 Nov 2020, 12:11 am » wrote: No, homosexual - I don't remember that.

Nor does your link lead to such.

Your link leads to a thread which the thread's own author repeatedly spammed, and in the end quite humiliated himself by pretending to have coined the word "sniveler," and then was further humiliated by the revelation that he had in fact cadged his thread's title from the fellow whom he falsely accused of plagiarism.

It was an epic meltdown, which only a maudlin whore's son could possibly mistake for anything else. I was actually embarrassed for the gay who started the thread, and for you. That you are NOT embarrassed by your ridiculous performance in the matter merely demonstrates what an effeminate cuck your mom raised.

You really are a stupid and desperate little crotch jockey.

Somebody has to be the smallest man in the forum. I just happen to be that somebody.
 
The problem with misquoting a fellow with editorial permissions is that he only remains misquoted if he chooses to, little fella.
 
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Cannonpointer » 21 Nov 2020, 12:40 am » wrote: The problem with misquoting a fellow with editorial permissions is that he only remains misquoted if he chooses to, little fella.
You certainly do abuse your admin privileges. It’s one of the reasons that so many consider you a small man. 
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Olivaw » 21 Nov 2020, 12:52 am » wrote: You certainly do abuse your admin privileges. It’s one of the reasons that so many consider you a small man.
You sure do ride herd on my dick like a good little cuck.

Tell us more about this thread I hid and how I got my *** licked in it.

Better yet, cuck - start a thread about it, and expose me for the worm I yam. That way, you can stop spammng other people's threads with your off topic conspiracy theories.
 
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Cannonpointer » 21 Nov 2020, 12:56 am » wrote:
Tell us more about this thread I hid and how I got my *** licked in it.

Better yet, cuck - start a thread about it, and expose me for the worm I yam. That way, you can stop spammng other people's threads with your off topic conspiracy theories.
No tribute thread for you, small man. A link to the thread you moved after RickyTavvy kicked your *** will suffice. viewtopic.php?f=14&t=51575

Haven’t you deleted it yet? 
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Olivaw » 21 Nov 2020, 1:06 am » wrote: No tribute thread for you, small man. A link to the thread you moved after RickyTavvy kicked your *** will suffice. viewtopic.php?f=14&t=51575

Haven’t you deleted it yet?
I quite like it, fruit loop. The last thing I would do is delete it.

Ride my dick about it some more - that's an order.  
 
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GeorgeWashington » 20 Nov 2020, 7:28 am » wrote: The Great Barrington Declaration – As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection. 

 Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice. 

 Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.

 Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza. 

 As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e.  the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity. 

 The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection. 

 Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals. 

 Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.

 On October 4, 2020, this declaration was authored and signed in Great Barrington, United States, by:

Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.

Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.

https://gbdeclaration.org/

Current signature count
637,337 concerned citizens
12,098 medical & public health scientists
35,151 medical practitioners

Signatures of scientists will be made public after verification and approval. With the current success of the campaign we have to ensure that the server remains available for signatures to be added. We will update this page with a static list of verified and approved signatures as time allows. Please read the Frequently Asked Questions here.
Anyone with a 120+ IQ and even rudimentary knowledge about the human immune system (hint: it has nothing to do with vaccines and everything to do with your gut microbiome) knew this. Sadly, the voices of globalist propaganda will drown out the truth.

Americans are the ONLY people stupid enough to think 2 PLANES COLLAPSED 3 BUILDINGS. ROFL
 

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Cannonpointer » 21 Nov 2020, 1:16 am » wrote: I quite like it, fruit loop. The last thing I would do is delete it.


 
So why did you hide it in the dungeon? The thread was interesting until you **** it up. That’s when Ricky kicked you into next Tuesday.   
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Cannonpointer » 21 Nov 2020, 12:18 am » wrote: The majority of your "experts" have honorary titles or serve in junior positions.

It's really quite sad that you didn't think to vet that tripe before posting it.
 
Thinking is hard.  
 

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Olivaw » 21 Nov 2020, 1:27 am » wrote:
Cannonpointer » 21 Nov 2020, 1:16 am » wrote: Ride my dick about it some more - that's an order.
So why did you hide it in the dungeon? The thread was interesting until you **** it up. That’s when Ricky kicked you into next Tuesday. 
Good boy. You take orders with the finest of cucks.

And yes, ricky gave me quite a licking - as did you.

Continue to ride my dick. Don't let pride stand in your way.  
 
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Cannonpointer » 21 Nov 2020, 1:33 am » wrote: Good boy. You take orders with the finest of cucks.

And yes, ricky gave me quite a licking - as did you.

Continue to ride my dick. Don't let pride stand in your way.
 
Are we discussing infant sexual agency as you wanted? 
Nope, we’re discussing your smallness and abuse of admin privileges.
We’ve a lot to talk about.  

 
 
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OdeToJoy » 20 Nov 2020, 11:17 pm » wrote: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/10/1 ... denialist/

As of the time of writing, the Declaration claims to be signed by over 5,000 ‘Medical & Public Health Scientists’ and 11,267 ‘Medical Practitioners’, along with over 155,000 members of the general public.

The claim that “thousands of scientists” are supporting the Barrington Declaration was reported far and wide by major media outlets from the BBC to the Daily Mail. But when I attempted to check how the signatory process works, I discovered that there was no vetting procedure in place for signatories – anybody could become a confirmed signatory of the Declaration and be categorised as a scientist or medic by falsifying entry information and ticking a box. By experimenting with the process myself, I was able to add myself as a signatory under the ‘Medical & Public Health Scientists’ category and received an automated email confirming this.”

Others listed include a resident at the “university of your mum” and another supposed specialist whose name was the first verse of the Macarena.

Sky News discovered 18 self-declared homeopaths in the list of expert names and more than 100 therapists whose expertise included massage, hypnotherapy and Mongolian khoomii singing.
It does appear that the authors of this declaration have not done the science necessary to make a compelling case.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/great-b ... fic-divide
But the media reports about this great “scientific divide” are right about one thing. The lead signatories are prominent, successful scientists. Martin Kulldorff is a professor of medicine at Harvard University, Sunetra Gupta a professor at Oxford University and Jay Bhattacharay a professor at Stanford University Medical School. So why are they relying on press releases and champagne-clinking events with libertarian think tanks rather than following the scientific method of testing their hypotheses in a rigorous way and publishing their findings for critique?

 A quick look at the preprint server medRxiv shows that these three lead signatories have been publishing papers related to Covid-19, but they haven’t – to the best of my knowledge – published any modelling that puts their shielding theory to the test. In May, Gupta published a study suggesting that coronavirus may have infected half of the UK population already. She was wrong – in London the proportion of those infected seems to be close to 18 per cent– but that’s how science works. You allow your results to be scrutinised, you adjust and you try and get closer to the truth next time. With this declaration, the three lead signatories are positioning themselves on one side of a manufactured scientific debate, but they’re not putting the science front and centre at all.
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Cannonpointer » 21 Nov 2020, 12:18 am » wrote: The majority of your "experts" have honorary titles or serve in junior positions.

It's really quite sad that you didn't think to vet that tripe before posting it.
In the UK, Honorary Professors are retired, or resigned professors that the university wishes to still be affiliated with.  

Such a pity that you didn't do your due diligence on their credentials.

https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/registrar/ ... stitutions.

The title Honorary Professor is appropriate for someone worthy of a Chair position at the University or the equivalent, ie. someone very eminent in their field.

 
Honorary Professor (Teaching)


https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/hr/guidance ... ofteaching

The title Honorary Professor is equivalent in standing to Professor.

 The title of Honorary Professor is analogous to that of a Chair holder. Promotion to a Personal Chair is one of the University´s highest academic distinctions and in order to support its mission in research-led Teaching, the University is committed to the delivery of the highest possible quality of Teaching to enhance the student learning experience and so ensure high student achievement, employability and satisfaction.

This Title may be conferred upon those who are able to demonstrate a national/international profile for innovation, publication and enterprise in Teaching supplemented by a record of research achievement or highly ranked scholarly publications.

http://www.exeter.ac.uk/staff/employment/honorary/

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To be conferred on a person with involvement in the University that is regular and significant. The appointee should be of an academic standing equivalent to that of Professor. There must be a substantial connection with the University and the candidate must be academically qualified for the status. They will be a leading international authority in their subject including an outstanding contribution to education or research or both. 
 
 
 

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South Dakota tried that. So did several other Republicans led states. 

didn’t work out very well. 

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Termin8tor » 20 Nov 2020, 6:02 pm » wrote:
Pengwin » 20 Nov 2020, 5:54 pm » wrote: Personal immunity, but like the Flu it looks like Covid-19 can bypass that as well meaning - there won't be any Herd Immunity until it gets treated like Polio at the very least and more likely, the Flu which continues to change.

You Heard of Herd Immunity but it doesn't look like Covid-19 gives a damn, so there goes that plan.  Vaccinate a few billion people then we'll see what we have on our hands.  Your plan would just add even more bodies to the stack and still not give us what you want...
You don't have the slightest clue what you're babbling about.

Stupid and dishonest, as usual.
How did herd immunity work for Sweden?
Sweden’s herd immunity strategy has failed, hospitals inundated.

 
Life did carry on as normal and it looked like Sweden might be vindicated for its strategy.

But in the past few weeks, the country of 10 million has been smashed by COVID-19.
 
There were 6000 cases in a single day last week and hospitalisations are rising faster than anywhere else in Europe.

The death toll is following predictably behind. 

The Washington Post reports that Sweden’s per capita death rate is several times higher than in Finland, Denmark and Norway – all of which locked down early.
 
It is believed roughly one-in-five people in Stockholm are infected.
 
With numbers exploding, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven has been forced to swallow his pride and admit that he got it wrong.
 
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Misty » 21 Nov 2020, 2:23 pm » wrote: How did herd immunity work for Sweden?

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Answer: we don't know yet, because there's a balance between the risk of Covid and the greater risk of death from a lockdown.

Did you read the Barrington Declaration?


No?

Thought not.

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Misty » 21 Nov 2020, 2:23 pm » wrote: How did herd immunity work for Sweden?
This happened back in June, when Covid deaths in Sweden were 6x the rates in Denmark, Finland, and Norway:

Shunned by its Nordic neighbors for its coronavirus strategy, Sweden says there are ‘wounds that will take time to heal’

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  • Sweden has been excluded from a lifting of travel restrictions between its Nordic neighbors Finland, Denmark and Norway.
  • Swedish Foreign Minister Ann Linde told CNBC that she had “mixed feelings” about the Nordics’ attitude toward her country currently, and that the move to exclude her country could damage relations.

People play chess at a park in Stockholm on May 29, 2020, amid the coronavirus Covid-19 pandemic.

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The decision to exclude Sweden from the lifting of travel restrictions between Nordic countries Finland, Denmark and Norway, following the coronavirus pandemic, “has created wounds that will take time to heal,” the country’s foreign minister told CNBC.

A decision not to implement a strict lockdown like its neighbors has meant that Sweden, which has seen a far higher number of coronavirus cases and deaths, has been left out of an easing of travel restrictions between the countries.

Since Monday, citizens of Nordic nations can largely travel to and from each other’s countries for work and leisure purposes, but Swedes are still subject to restrictions due to a higher infection rate in their country.
 
 

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Misty » 21 Nov 2020, 2:23 pm » wrote: How did herd immunity work for Sweden?
COVID-19 hospitalizations soar in lockdown-free Sweden amid second wave

https://nypost.com/2020/11/12/covid-19- ... cond-wave/

Coronavirus hospitalizations are surging in lockdown-eschewing Sweden as the country grapples with a second wave of the virus, data shows.

 There are currently 1,004 patients being treated for the virus in the Nordic nation’s hospitals — up 60 percent from the previous week’s 627, the Guardian reported.

 Data from the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control suggests Sweden’s hospitalization rate may be climbing faster in recent weeks than other countries in the region, the Guardian reported.

New case counts are also soaring throughout the country, hitting a seven-day average this week of more than 4,000, the outlet reported.The nation saw 4,658 new infections alone on Thursday, one of its worst days on record since the pandemic began.

Sweden’s second wave comes after the country controversially called for citizens to hold themselves accountable for social distancing, instead of closing borders and ordering strict lockdowns
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Interesting article in Forbes about the reason that while the death toll was high, their hospitals were not overwhelmed. A conscious decision was made not to hospitalize senior and vulnerable Covid patients, but simply allow them to die untreated:

Sweden Stayed Open And More People Died Of Covid-19, But The Real Reason May Be Something Darker

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2 ... 41a02c69bd

While more people have died of Covid-19 per capita in Sweden than in many other countries, the outbreak of the disease did not crush the nation’s health care system and overload its intensive care units as predicted.

“Analyzed by categorical age group, older Swedish patients with confirmed COVID-19 were more likely to die than to be admitted to the ICU, suggesting that predicted prognosis may have been a factor in ICU admission,” the researchers write in a study published online for the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases. “This likely reduced ICU load at the cost of more high-risk patients dying outside the ICU.”

The implication here is that Sweden chose to emphasize personal responsibility, but when the choice led to increased infections among the elderly, medical professionals seem to have taken on the responsibility of choosing who likely lives and dies.

 
 

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Termin8tor » 21 Nov 2020, 2:42 pm » wrote: .
Answer: we don't know yet, because there's a balance between the risk of Covid and the greater risk of death from a lockdown.

Did you read the Barrington Declaration?

No?

Thought not.

And the experiments in Sweden, North and South Dakota, Montana, and Iowa have all failed.

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