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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 3:11 pm » wrote: Nothing about an election, or "fight like hell or you won't have a country", things of that nature?
That was from the speech on Jan 6th.  At that point the attack was at least 10 minutes into it.  Certain that did not incite violence when it already started and those involved weren't at the speech.
no, you haven't proven that by assertion. Unless you can show your mention prior to my post of Feb 8, you lose..

Hey BV, did Jan 24th 2020 come before or after Feb 8th 2020?
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Huey » 13 Jan 2021, 3:15 pm » wrote: Trump continued to speak for 20 minutes after it started.  It is probably a 20 minute walk to the capital.  The breach was 40 minutes in.  The article of impeachment is all about Jan 6th with a brief mention of the phone call to the GA SOS.  

They are building the case on the actions of Jan 6th.  Additionally, they did go thru the Judiciary Committee.  For the 2nd time.  There are no hearings this time.  It is like going from being charged straight to sentencing.
Try and remember, Impeachment is a Political, not a Legal, process.  Since there is no sentence beyond - goodbye for life, the process doesn't have Due Process and isn't required to.

If the Congress believes that he did wrong then he did.  They are Judge, Jury, and Executioner in these matters and they are rather pissed off at the moment mainly because he sent morons there and after they broke in he didn't send other morons there fast enough to kick the first morons out.

The Congress is - not amused...

 
 

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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 1:25 pm » wrote: Knock yourself out.

Maybe the Dems can attack the Capitol next week, if they have time...
Oh, you mean the way they attacked the White House last June trying to kill the President, and police had to use tear gas against them while arresting almost 600 of them?
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Huey » 13 Jan 2021, 3:18 pm » wrote: That was from the speech on Jan 6th.  At that point the attack was at least 10 minutes into it.  Certain that did not incite violence when it already started and those involved weren't at the speech.
Are you saying his people at the Capitol that day didn't hear his speech, even part of it?

Or are you saying the two are not "directly" related to each other?
 

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Huey » 13 Jan 2021, 2:39 pm » wrote: @Misty  if those who stormed the capitol were at the capitol for hours and not at a speech given 14 blocks away, how exactly did trump's speech incite them?
Geotagging of Parler posts by the insurrectionists clearly shows that they heard the speeches and went directly to the Capitol to attack it. 
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Zeets2 » 13 Jan 2021, 3:22 pm » wrote: Oh, you mean the way they attacked the White House last June trying to kill the President, and police had to use tear gas against them while arresting almost 600 of them?
https://youtu.be/YwDcvAH43UQ

Did they break into the White House while Trump was hiding in his bunker?
 

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Misty » 13 Jan 2021, 3:16 pm » wrote: ​​​​​Trump has been inciting violence among his fans for years and you want to fixate on one sentence from one speech on one day.

I haven't forgotten how in 2016 he told his fans that if they beat up protesters he would pay their legal fees and how be praised a member of Congress who body slammed a reporter.
He said, "Any guy that can do a body slam — he's my guy."
Thus encouraging his fans to attack members of the press whom he designated as enemies of the American people.
(Members of the press were attacked and beaten on January 6th BTW.)
And those are just two examples off the top of my head.
There are many more.

All through 2020 he told his fans that the only way he could lose the election is if it was stolen from him.
He convinced them that if Biden won, the country would turn into a Socialist hellhole overrun with marauding gangs of brown people destroying their neighborhoods.

Then since election day he told them that the Democrats committed massive voter fraud and stole the election from him.

He's been pouring gasoline for years and on January 6th the match was thrown.

One sentence from one speech on one day cannot negate the years of hateful, divisive and violent rhetoric that he has spewed for years.
I am going to focus on that because the Articles of Impeachment are based on that speech with one mention of the phone call to the GA SOS.  As well as the fact that most of the democrat critters in the house are focusing on it as we speak.  

As far as your comment from 2016 this is what he said.  He did not say beat up protesers:

"So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of 'em, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... ed-can-he/

That is not beating up a protestor.  That is beating up someone who is attacking a presidential candidate.
 
no, you haven't proven that by assertion. Unless you can show your mention prior to my post of Feb 8, you lose..

Hey BV, did Jan 24th 2020 come before or after Feb 8th 2020?

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Olivaw » 13 Jan 2021, 3:23 pm » wrote: Geotagging of Parler posts by the insurrectionists clearly shows that they heard the speeches and went directly to the Capitol to attack it.

ANd yet those who attacked it were at the capitol for hours, did not hear the speech, and trump was still speaking when the attack began.  You need to discuss with the NYTs.
no, you haven't proven that by assertion. Unless you can show your mention prior to my post of Feb 8, you lose..

Hey BV, did Jan 24th 2020 come before or after Feb 8th 2020?

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Huey » 13 Jan 2021, 3:24 pm » wrote: I am going to focus on that because the Articles of Impeachment are based on that speech with one mention of the phone call to the GA SOS. 
 
It seems as though you did not read it.  I will link it once more...

https://cicilline.house.gov/sites/cicil ... 011121.pdf

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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 3:22 pm » wrote: Are you saying his people at the Capitol that day didn't hear his speech, even part of it?

Or are you saying the two are not "directly" related to each other?

I am saying that it is kinda hard to hear a speech you are 14 blocks from.  I am saying that the attack was started long before the speech was over.  
no, you haven't proven that by assertion. Unless you can show your mention prior to my post of Feb 8, you lose..

Hey BV, did Jan 24th 2020 come before or after Feb 8th 2020?

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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 3:20 pm » wrote: Try and remember, Impeachment is a Political, not a Legal, process.  Since there is no sentence beyond - goodbye for life, the process doesn't have Due Process and isn't required to.

If the Congress believes that he did wrong then he did.  They are Judge, Jury, and Executioner in these matters and they are rather pissed off at the moment mainly because he sent morons there and after they broke in he didn't send other morons there fast enough to kick the first morons out.

The Congress is - not amused...

He did not send anyone there to attack the capital.  He told them to peacefully march and make their voices heard.  The comment that you posted about fight like hell was made AFTER the attack began.  So that did not incite it.  The timeline does not support your theory.
no, you haven't proven that by assertion. Unless you can show your mention prior to my post of Feb 8, you lose..

Hey BV, did Jan 24th 2020 come before or after Feb 8th 2020?
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Huey » 13 Jan 2021, 3:28 pm » wrote: He did not send anyone there to attack the capital.  He told them to peacefully march and make their voices heard.  The comment that you posted about fight like hell was made AFTER the attack began.  So that did not incite it.  The timeline does not support your theory.
I don't have a "theory" in this forum, the Congress does in this case.

If you want my theory, ask for it but don't assume.

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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 3:31 pm » wrote: I don't have a "theory" in this forum, the Congress does in this case.

If you want my theory, ask for it but don't assume.

My bad.  Congresses theory.  What is your theory?
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Hey BV, did Jan 24th 2020 come before or after Feb 8th 2020?

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Huey » 13 Jan 2021, 3:26 pm » wrote: I am saying that it is kinda hard to hear a speech you are 14 blocks from. 
 
Really?  It is? 

I must have fantastic hearing then because I heard part of it and I never left Texas.  I wonder how I did that...

 
 

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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 3:23 pm » wrote: Did they break into the White House while Trump was hiding in his bunker?
They tried, but were held off by the police, who were properly prepared for a huge demonstration that time, and arrested almost 600 people.  Know how many were arrested last week at the Capitol?  82.

That tells me that the BLM attack in June was roughly 7 times as large as what we saw last week. 
 
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Huey » 13 Jan 2021, 3:32 pm » wrote: My bad.  Congresses theory.  What is your theory?
That Trump should have been impeached four years ago, more or less.

On what grounds you'll ask?  Not sure, but I'd have found some.  It is, after all, a political not a legal process.

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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 3:32 pm » wrote: Really?  It is? 

I must have fantastic hearing then because I heard part of it and I never left Texas.  I wonder how I did that...

That dog don't hunt.  
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Hey BV, did Jan 24th 2020 come before or after Feb 8th 2020?

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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 3:36 pm » wrote: That Trump should have been impeached four years ago, more or less.

On what grounds you'll ask?  Not sure, but I'd have found some.  It is, after all, a political not a legal process.

No, because the question was in reference to what happened on Jan 6th.
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Hey BV, did Jan 24th 2020 come before or after Feb 8th 2020?

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Zeets2 » 13 Jan 2021, 3:35 pm » wrote: They tried, but were held off by the police, who were properly prepared for a huge demonstration that time, and arrested almost 600 people. 
 
I'm betting the Congress will be very interested to speak with them then.

The Capitol Police couldn't get the job done...

 

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Huey » 13 Jan 2021, 3:36 pm » wrote: No, because the question was in reference to what happened on Jan 6th.
Well, that we have video of.  A bunch of people Trump called on to be at the Capitol that day decided to break in and ransack the place.

And now the Congress, naturally enough, wants somebody's head on a platter, John the Baptist style.

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