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FOS » 13 Jan 2021, 11:36 pm » wrote: Correct. God transcends ethnicity.

Jesus wasn't an ethnic Jew?
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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 11:36 pm » wrote:
Indeed it does, but FOS says the Son of God cannot be a Jew. #63
How could he have been a Jew when the Jewish religion hadn’t yet been invented?

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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 11:35 pm » wrote: Okay, but you said the Son of God cannot be a Jew?
According to actual christian doctrine, the Jews broke their first covenant with god. This is why Judea had to be lost to Nebuchadnezzar and the first temple had to be destroyed.

Jesus was born to make a second covenant. This time with gentiles.

This is why Christianity was kinda anti jewish.

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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 11:39 pm » wrote: Jesus wasn't an ethnic Jew?
A son of god is no ethnicity.
God is above humanity and it's ethnic divisions.

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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 11:39 pm » wrote:
FOS » 13 Jan 2021, 11:36 pm » wrote: Correct. God transcends ethnicity.
Jesus wasn't an ethnic Jew?
Lol...  ethnic like this guy?

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FOS » 13 Jan 2021, 11:40 pm » wrote: According to actual christian doctrine, the Jews broke their first covenant with god. This is why Judea had to be lost to Nebuchadnezzar and the first temple had to be destroyed.

Jesus was born to make a second covenant. This time with gentiles.

This is why Christianity was kinda anti jewish.

So why did Jesus tell the Disciples to avoid the Gentiles, to not preach to them?

Why the argument between Peter and Paul over who could become a Christian if they weren't first a Jew?


 

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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 11:42 pm » wrote: So why did Jesus tell the Disciples to avoid the Gentiles, to not preach to them?

Why the argument between Peter and Paul over who could become a Christian if they weren't first a Jew?
Jesus changed in his attitude towards gentiles during the gospels. For much of the gospels none of the disciples of jesus knew who god was. It was an unfolding of new information.

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FOS » 13 Jan 2021, 11:42 pm » wrote: A son of god is no ethnicity.
God is above humanity and it's ethnic divisions.
Was Jesus human?
 

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FOS » 13 Jan 2021, 11:45 pm » wrote: Jesus changed in his attitude towards gentiles during the gospels. For much of the gospels none of the disciples of jesus knew who god was. It was an unfolding of new information.
So, why is it there were no Gentile followers at the time of his death?

Why did Peter and Paul fight over this very issue?

 
 
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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 11:38 pm » wrote:
GeorgeWashington » 13 Jan 2021, 11:37 pm » wrote: He followed the religion of Moses.

~600-500BC
And Moses wasn't a Jew?
No...  

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Remember you are currently debating with a pagan.

Do you want MY opinion? Or Boethius?
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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 11:48 pm » wrote: So, why is it there were no Gentile followers at the time of his death?

Why did Peter and Paul fight over this very issue?
Fake news. There WERE gentile followers at his time of death.

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Okay, so this never happened?

"There, on Mount Horeb, God appeared to Moses as a burning bush, revealed to Moses his name YHWH (probably pronounced Yahweh)[33] and commanded him to return to Egypt and bring his chosen people (Israel) out of bondage and into the Promised Land (Canaan).[34] During the journey, God tried to kill Moses, but Zipporah saved his life. Moses returned to carry out God's command, but God caused the Pharaoh to refuse, and only after God had subjected Egypt to ten plagues did the Pharaoh relent. Moses led the Israelites to the border of Egypt, but there God hardened the Pharaoh's heart once more, so that he could destroy the Pharaoh and his army at the Red Sea Crossing as a sign of his power to Israel and the nations.[35]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 11:48 pm » wrote:
FOS » 13 Jan 2021, 11:45 pm » wrote: Jesus changed in his attitude towards gentiles during the gospels. For much of the gospels none of the disciples of jesus knew who god was. It was an unfolding of new information.
So, why is it there were no Gentile followers at the time of his death?

Why did Peter and Paul fight over this very issue?
The woman at the well was a gentile.

Peter, Paul, and the elders anathematized Judaizing and set the precedent for ecumenical councils. 

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FOS » 13 Jan 2021, 11:50 pm » wrote: Fake news. There WERE gentile followers at his time of death.

Can you name one?  Maybe a bit of Chapter and Verse?

Can you align it with this fellow? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_the_Centurion

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GeorgeWashington » 13 Jan 2021, 11:51 pm » wrote: The woman at the well was a gentile.


 
Yes, but Jesus didn't offer to save her eternal soul.

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.
 

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Pengwin » 13 Jan 2021, 11:57 pm » wrote: Can you name one?  Maybe a bit of Chapter and Verse?

Can you align it with this fellow? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_the_Centurion
The cannanite woman was a gentile https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... erface=amp

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Matt. 15:24
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”(E)

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FOS » 13 Jan 2021, 11:48 pm » wrote: Remember you are currently debating with a pagan.

Do you want MY opinion? Or Boethius?
Yours.

You are the one who said Jesus wasn't a Jew and that the Son of God couldn't be a Jew.

The Christians will find that - odd.
 
 
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Pengwin » 14 Jan 2021, 12:00 am » wrote: Matt. 15:24
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”(E)
And then she changed his mind.

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