The serious Chauvin/Floyd Thread

[Neo]

And that is a medical opinion 

And you are not a doctor 

And those are facts

No, it's a choice between a fantastic claim and one supported by the toxicology report created by a real certified team of doctors and lab technicians. 
 

[Annoyed Liberall]

I wasn't aware there was that much of a weight disparity. In fact I believe a couple here said 300 pounds of weight on the knee. Hard for a buck forty guy to exert.
 

I made a post referencing '300 pounds of cop on his back'.
It was hyperbole.

[FOS]

Your choices are a nine minute blood choke or fentanyl poisoning. Toxicology shows he had the fentanyl. Never heard of a nine minute blood choke. The face down position didn't help but the complaint seems to be focused on the knee.

we could also say he was a covid death

[Vegas giants]

No, it's a choice between a fantastic claim and one supported by the toxicology report created by a real certified team of doctors and lab technicians.

No it is a medical determination.  That is a fact.  You can claim the moon is made of green cheese but you would be lying about that too.

[GeorgeWashington]

I took too much drugs = I killed myself

I may have spoken too soon.
Later that same witness said he heard him say 'I ain't take no drugs'.
Also, let's not forget that one of the cops on the scene told the crowd 'this is why you don't do drugs, kids'.

If he said he took too much drugs then that is an admission that he knew it was a lethal dose, considering it was an opiate. 

If the cop heard him say that he took too much and that he didn’t take any, then the defense can argue that the cop, not knowing which is true, or what drugs he had taken, used his best judgment.  PCP, amphetamines, and other drugs can give the user the advantage in physical altercations. 

[GeorgeWashington]

If it is a professional obligation(code of conduct violation) then he can only be fired for failing to perform his duty.  

If he is in violation of a municipal ordinance, then it can’t carry more than 90 days in jail. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/412.231

IMHO you are potentially putting a band-aid over a 30mm HEI ammo's wound. Chauvin's illegalities here go far, far beyond him deserving only to be fired. He needs to receive life in  prison for fleecing his duties.

It goes back to his training. As in his training which the Police Chief failed to mention within his support for sending Chauvin to prison; at no point in the dept's training, does it instruct cops to use chokeholds to kill unarmed suspects. Only to subdue them. By which subduing suspects sadly introduces the expectation for Chauvin to then CONTINUALLY reassess the level of necessary force AND to alert paramedics AND doing so while immediately applying any life-saving aid in the meantime. Chauvin failed on all four (4) fronts: youtube.com/watch?v=-S7RJxFau84

And remember how lucky he is that the Prosecutor allowed him to exercise, White Privilege, by not delving into how Chauvin's act was potentially premeditated featuring Chauvin going many weeks lurking for a chance to lynch Floyd. Researching their relationship in the rowdy, partygoer's workplace they shared, would have easily uncovered that info.

My comment was regarding the legal obligation of the officer to administer first aid and/or call paramedics. 

Police have no legal obligation to do anything for anyone, per SCOTUS.

[GeorgeWashington]

I think Chauvin will walk.

1. Floyd had a lethal dose of drugs in his system.
2. There will be at least one juror that will find in his favor, either based on the evidence, or based on their own prejudice against the BLM movement.

[Vegas giants]

I think Chauvin will walk.

1. Floyd had a lethal dose of drugs in his system.
2. There will be at least one juror that will find in his favor, either based on the evidence, or based on their own prejudice against the BLM movement.

I doubt it.  The ME ruled it a homicide and the cops have testified the restraint was unnecessary.  I think they find him guilty on the manslaughter charge 

[Annoyed Liberall]

If he said he took too much drugs then that is an admission that he knew it was a lethal dose, considering it was an opiate. 

If the cop heard him say that he took too much and that he didn’t take any, then the defense can argue that the cop, not knowing which is true, or what drugs he had taken, used his best judgment.  PCP, amphetamines, and other drugs can give the user the advantage in physical altercations. 

IT wasn't Chauvin who said it.
It was the witness for the BCA (Reyerson).
Defense counsel played a snippet of video and asked him what he heard Floyd say.
He then prompted "Did he say I ate too much drugs?".
Reyerson responded yes.
Prosecution countered with a longer portion of that video and asked Reyerson again what he heard.
Reyerson responded 'I ain't take no drugs'.
So, there is some confusion there.
I hope it gets addressed again when the defense takes over.

[Annoyed Liberall]

I think Chauvin will walk.

1. Floyd had a lethal dose of drugs in his system.
2. There will be at least one juror that will find in his favor, either based on the evidence, or based on their own prejudice against the BLM movement.

I have to agree with you.
All it takes is one juror.
Also, MN doesn't have the best record when it comes to convicting cops.
The only cop sent to jail was the Muslim who shot the pretty blonde lady.

[DennisTheMenace]

I made a post referencing '300 pounds of cop on his back'.
It was hyperbole.

I'm guessing when one is face down on the asphalt with a knee on his neck and is handcuffed behind his back...It's not hyperbole. 
 

[Neo]

I'm guessing when one is face down on the asphalt with a knee on his neck and is handcuffed behind his back...It's not hyperbole. 

300 pounds from a skinny 140 pound cop is the definition of hyperbole. 
 

[Neo]

My comment was regarding the legal obligation of the officer to administer first aid and/or call paramedics. 

Police have no legal obligation to do anything for anyone, per SCOTUS.

That was a **** ruling but still the current law of the land.
 

[DennisTheMenace]

300 pounds from a skinny 140 pound cop is the definition of hyperbole.

Are you claiming George Floyd weighed 300 pounds?  Let me guess, you are a regular contributor on Trucker Carlson's show?

Have you ever been handcuffed behind your back face down on the ground with a COP forcing his little "140" pound assed knee on the back of your neck?

Have you studied physics?  Do you know what leverage is?

By the way.  I'm guessing that little punk Chauvin is closer to 165. The power of the badge makes him seem much bigger than he really is.


 

[Neo]

Are you claiming George Floyd weighed 300 pounds?  Let me guess, you are a regular contributor on Trucker Carlson's show?

Have you ever been handcuffed behind your back face down on the ground with a COP forcing his little "140" pound assed knee on the back of your neck?

Have you studied physics?  Do you know what leverage is?

By the way.  I'm guessing that little punk Chauvin is closer to 165. The power of the badge makes him seem much bigger than he really is.

Let me say it in a way even you can comprehend. Chauvin weighed 140 pounds at the time of the arrest.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/key-takeaways ... d=76921803

AnnoyedLiberall said 300 pounds of weight pressed into Floyd's neck as hyperbole. She said as much.

You can guess all you like, the facts are known.
 

[FOS]

Let me say it in a way even you can comprehend. Chauvin weighed 140 pounds at the time of the arrest.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/key-takeaways ... d=76921803

AnnoyedLiberall said 300 pounds of weight pressed into Floyd's neck as hyperbole. She said as much.

You can guess all you like, the facts are known.

Was the knee even ever on the neck? I heard that the defense actually used evidence from the prosecution which clearly showed that the knee was not even on the neck

[FOS]

it actually looks to me like the pressure from chauvin's knee here would be on floyd's upper back. Not even the neck.

Even if it were the neck, the back of the neck...nowhere near the c
 arotid artery as the prosecution is pretending.

[Vegas giants]

it actually looks to me like the pressure from chauvin's knee here would be on floyd's upper back. Not even the neck.

Even if it were the neck, the back of the neck...nowhere near the c
 arotid artery as the prosecution is pretending.

It certainly led to his death according to the medical examiner 

[FOS]

It certainly led to his death according to the medical examiner

there you go again, offering your input.

[Abatjour]

My comment was regarding the legal obligation of the officer to administer first aid and/or call paramedics. 

Police have no legal obligation to do anything for anyone, per SCOTUS.

It is the equivalent of a legal obligation if he signed off on it [providing basic aid to suspects he injures] within his police department. And that's why Chauvin should get convicted, with respect to testimonies of his superiors so far who had a reasonable expectation of Chauvin to treat Floyd humanely.