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Bidennextpresident » 07 Apr 2021, 9:00 pm » wrote: No. He was basically dead when paramedics arrived.
He was alive and fighting when the paramedics were called.
 

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Neo » 07 Apr 2021, 9:06 pm » wrote: He was alive and fighting when the paramedics were called.

No video showed him fighting whey paramedics were called.

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Bidennextpresident » 07 Apr 2021, 9:00 pm » wrote: No. He was basically dead when paramedics arrived.
Cite.
 

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No. We're not doing that. You cited nothing.

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Bidennextpresident » 07 Apr 2021, 9:07 pm » wrote: No. We're not doing that. You cited nothing.
I will do it for you.

 Nelson referenced an emergency dispatch log that showed the first call for emergency medical services at 8:20 p.m. — roughly 1 minute after Chauvin began pressing his knee into Floyd's neck. 

Apparently I was misinformed. I had heard they called a bit earlier, before the take down. They did inform police dispatch that the suspect was acting irrationally which perhaps should have triggered an earlier medical response. 
 

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Neo » 07 Apr 2021, 9:11 pm » wrote: I will do it for you.

 Nelson referenced an emergency dispatch log that showed the first call for emergency medical services at 8:20 p.m. — roughly 1 minute after Chauvin began pressing his knee into Floyd's neck. 

Apparently I was misinformed. I had heard they called a bit earlier, before the take down. They did inform police dispatch that the suspect was acting irrationally which perhaps should have triggered an earlier medical response.

When paramedics arrived they knew Floyd was dead.

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Bidennextpresident » 07 Apr 2021, 9:14 pm » wrote: When paramedics arrived they knew Floyd was dead.
Not disputed.
 

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Expert: Chauvin never took knee off Floyd’s neck area

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Officer Derek Chauvin had his knee on George Floyd’s neck area — and was bearing down with most of his weight — the entire 9 1/2 minutes the Black man lay facedown with his hands cuffed behind his back, a use-of-force expert testified Wednesday at Chauvin’s murder trial.

Jody Stiger, a Los Angeles Police Department sergeant serving as a prosecution witness, said that based on his review of video evidence, Chauvin applied pressure to Floyd’s neck or neck area from the time officers began pinning Floyd to the ground until paramedics began to move him to a stretcher.

“That particular force did not change during the entire restraint period?” prosecutor Steve Schleicher asked as he showed the jury a composite of five still images.

“Correct,” replied Stiger, who on Tuesday testified that the force used against Floyd was excessive.

https://apnews.com/article/derek-chauvi ... 2bc6732d20

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Bidennextpresident » 07 Apr 2021, 9:19 pm » wrote: Expert: Chauvin never took knee off Floyd’s neck area

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Officer Derek Chauvin had his knee on George Floyd’s neck area — and was bearing down with most of his weight — the entire 9 1/2 minutes the Black man lay facedown with his hands cuffed behind his back, a use-of-force expert testified Wednesday at Chauvin’s murder trial.

Jody Stiger, a Los Angeles Police Department sergeant serving as a prosecution witness, said that based on his review of video evidence, Chauvin applied pressure to Floyd’s neck or neck area from the time officers began pinning Floyd to the ground until paramedics began to move him to a stretcher.

“That particular force did not change during the entire restraint period?” prosecutor Steve Schleicher asked as he showed the jury a composite of five still images.

“Correct,” replied Stiger, who on Tuesday testified that the force used against Floyd was excessive.

https://apnews.com/article/derek-chauvi ... 2bc6732d20
Should point out that Chauvin weighs 140 pounds and Saint Floyd was 250.
 
 

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Neo » 07 Apr 2021, 9:27 pm » wrote: Should point out that Chauvin weights 140 pounds and Saint Floyd was 250.

Irrelevant. Floyd prone and handcuffed. Full body weight of Chauvin on his neck,.

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Derek Chauvin used his body weight to pin George Floyd’s neck and never moved, use-of-force expert says

MINNEAPOLIS — Derek Chauvin had one knee on George Floyd’s neck and another on his back and was pressing down with most of his body weight for the entirety of the nine minutes and 29 seconds the Black man was restrained, handcuffed and facedown on a street, a use-of-force expert testified Wednesday.

Jody Stiger, a longtime Los Angeles Police Department sergeant and prosecution witness, said Chauvin never moved, according to his review of police body-camera footage, and also appeared to be gripping Floyd’s hand in an effort to inflict pain on the man, even though he was no longer resisting.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... n-trial-2/

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During his second day of testimony at the former officer’s murder trial, Stiger told the jury that Chauvin appeared to be using a “pain compliance” technique on Floyd’s hand, “squeezing fingers or bringing knuckles together” and pulling his wrist into his handcuffs — an effort usually deployed by officers trying to gain control of a suspect. But because Floyd stopped resisting the moment officers placed him in a prone position on the ground, “at that point, it was just pain,” Stiger said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... n-trial-2/

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Bidennextpresident » 07 Apr 2021, 9:28 pm » wrote: Irrelevant. Floyd prone and handcuffed. Full body weight of Chauvin on his neck,.
Able to speak, breath as much as his fentanyl overdose would allow, and move. The knee wasn't the culprit, it was an overdose. 
 

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Neo » 07 Apr 2021, 9:32 pm » wrote: Able to speak, breath as much as his fentanyl overdose would allow, and move. The knee wasn't the culprit, it was an overdose.
back to the drugs thing

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But Stiger said the force should have stopped once Floyd was on the ground and not resisting. When Chauvin continued to pin Floyd to the ground, Stiger said, it turned into “deadly force.”

“At the time of restraint period, Mr. Floyd is not resisting. He was in the prone position,” Stiger told jurors. “He was handcuffed. He was not attempting to evade. He was not attempting to resist.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... n-trial-2/

I agree with this. It seems clear Chauvin was not interested in compliance and was merely punishing Floyd.

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That's the defense. Might not want to watch the second half of the trial. I remember when half the posters here insisted that Trayvon Martin was begging for his life while Zimmerman beat him. His own mother lied in court, she knew those screams were those of her sons victim. Toxicology shows three times a known lethal dose of fentanyl in Floyd's system along with methamphetamine. Continue to ignore that if you wish.
 

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Neo » 07 Apr 2021, 9:38 pm » wrote: That's the defense. Might not want to watch the second half of the trial. I remember when half the posters here insisted that Trayvon Martin was begging for his life while Zimmerman beat him. His own mother lied in court, she knew those screams were those of her sons victim. Toxicology shows three times a known lethal dose of fentanyl in Floyd's system along with methamphetamine. Continue to ignore that if you wish.
You ignore all evidence.

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Neo » 07 Apr 2021, 9:32 pm » wrote: Able to speak, breath as much as his fentanyl overdose would allow, and move. The knee wasn't the culprit, it was an overdose.
Not according to the medical examiner

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Neo » 07 Apr 2021, 9:27 pm » wrote: Should point out that Chauvin weighs 140 pounds and Saint Floyd was 250.
Lol wow...I'm a lot bigger than chauvin

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Nope. First time I saw the video I was very disturbed, convinced I had just watched a cold blooded murder. Watched it a couple more times critically. Floyd was able to speak and move for most of the time. Then the footage came out before the arrest. Floyd was stoned out of his mind and deteriorating. He was overdosing on something. 
 

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