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Blutarski » 02 May 2021, 5:20 am » wrote: Must be wonderful to live in a Dream World
 
if you so ... I will take your word for it, that it must be wonderful.  keep enjoying it big guy  :D  meanwhile I will stick to admiring responsible millennials who do rare things like have "values are more akin to the old school. ...regard my cohorts ...are lazy, entitled, and dont know how to do a damn thing for themselves... their attitude sucks.I work hard and have learned a lot of skills...and i had fun doing it.
where all your beliefs are based on flukes, outliers, exceptions, rarities and anomalies....LA LA LA LA..... Image  .
You need to learn how to read more correctly.
 

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Abatjour » 02 May 2021, 5:31 am » wrote: if you so ... I will take your word for it, that it must be wonderful.  keep enjoying it big guy  Image  meanwhile I will stick to admiring responsible millennials who do rare things like have "values are more akin to the old school. ...regard my cohorts ...are lazy, entitled, and dont know how to do a damn thing for themselves... their attitude sucks.I work hard and have learned a lot of skills...and i had fun doing it.

You need to learn how to read more correctly.

I admire the outliers too. 

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GeorgeWashington » 01 May 2021, 6:37 pm » wrote:
Phoenix68.2.0 » 01 May 2021, 7:10 am » wrote:
Polar1ty » 30 Apr 2021, 8:47 pm » wrote: "As a GenXer, it's pretty simple. The boomers spent everything like drunken sailors and the millennials have the mental and physical hardiness of a piece of plywood.

My only advice to the millennials is to suck it up and find a way out of the rat race and build something yourself.

Also, IMO formal education is dead it just doesn't know it yet. You can replace everything higher education provides with youtube except for the social network. Which is debatable."
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The Millennials are already way-out, ahead of you.

It's lookin' like the MILLENNIALS will finally be THE generation that WHACKS MIDDLE-MANAGERS.....those clowns who've called themselves "professional-managers", 'cause they've GOT no ACTUAL skills.....besides doing what THEIR manager TOLD THEM TO DO!!!!!
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Abatjour » 02 May 2021, 2:32 am » wrote: looks like this guy won your sweepstakes here:

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I'm a "millennial" but my values are more akin to the old school. I don't regard my cohort with much respect, they are lazy, entitled, and dont know how to do a damn thing for themselves. and their attitude sucks.I work hard and have learned a lot of skills.i make my own furniture, i forge knives and make wrought iron items. I've framed houses in 13*F weather, and i had fun doing it. i can weld, do electrical, spent years as a machinist. And i write code. And own and run a farm. and I have a small tech biz.So don't throw us all out with the bathwater."
He wasn’t funny tho

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Vegas » 02 May 2021, 1:55 am » wrote: As I stated before, I never denied that corporatism came from capitalism. My thesis is that corporatism is not the final destination of capitalism. It is a poisonous off spring, but only because capitalism is run by humans. We humans can't help to **** things up. The logical conclusion of capitalism is fruitful competition, but this can only happen if we nurture the capitalist system that will encourage competition. It's not going to do it on it's own. We allow it to run wild. Therefore, it's naive to think that it wont go array. The essence of capitalism is fairness in its purest form. However, we humans are not fair and pure, thus we can expect some poisonous crap along the way.
If the logical conclusion of capitalism is fruitful competition, I have yet to see a single IRL example of this. Based on my observations, capitalism almost always leads to tightly controlled markets dominated by big, private players. The few markets where healthy competition still exists is due to the market’s inherent inability to scale well (a family farm, a local cleaning company, a local pet care service, etc.) 

What you describe as free trade, “fruitful” and healthy competition in the market, etc. has existed since the first remnants of civilization. Yet there is no indication of the word capitalism being used, ever, to describe those natural human behaviors around 12,000 B.C.

Capitalism was a term coined by Marx to describe a system where capital continues to accumulate within a specific class - not the aristocrats, not the peasants, not the artisans, not the priests...but the merchants. Businessmen, bankers, investors, and other people who deal directly and primarily with money.

In order for this system to succeed, the state would need to relinquish most of its functions relevant to economic control and allow a greater degree of private enterprise. This is where the confusion sets in regarding ‘free market’ and ‘capitalism.’ Just because capitalism (at least in the past...not so much anymore) had free markets doesn’t mean capitalism is equivalent to free markets.

Eventually, after accumulating enough capital, these same bankers, investors, and businessmen take over the state and dictate its policies.

Last I checked, these same money dealers (and not the employees, or specialist self-employed, or religious leaders, etc.) are the ones who hold the bulk of capital or cash flow generating assets. The fact that they use what you correctly deem as “unfair” and exploitative practices doesn’t mean it’s not capitalism.
 
 
 
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Vegas » 02 May 2021, 1:55 am » wrote: As I stated before, I never denied that corporatism came from capitalism. My thesis is that corporatism is not the final destination of capitalism. It is a poisonous off spring, but only because capitalism is run by humans. We humans can't help to **** things up. The logical conclusion of capitalism is fruitful competition, but this can only happen if we nurture the capitalist system that will encourage competition. 
As HG explained in his economic texts, the ONLY thing that does this, the only method to keep capitalism from derailing its own course off the track is LVT tax system 
 
LVT is the only thing that keeps freeing up land in a cyclcal fashion for new entrepreneurs up and coming to start new businesses with low barriers to market entry.  Otherwise, capitalism erects huge barriers that prevent healthy competition in the marketplace
 
 

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SJConspirator » 02 May 2021, 9:43 am » wrote: As HG explained in his economic texts, the ONLY thing that does this, the only method to keep capitalism from derailing its own course off the track is LVT tax system 
 
LVT is the only thing that keeps freeing up land in a cyclcal fashion for new entrepreneurs up and coming to start new businesses with low barriers to market entry.  Otherwise, capitalism erects huge barriers that prevent healthy competition in the marketplace
HK has a LVT and the “healthy competition” seems to be lacking 
 

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sootedupCyndi » 01 May 2021, 10:50 pm » wrote: It's dangerous work. You should see my bloodied up shins by the end of the summer.. never fails. One stick will come rolling down. ouchy.  Image
[these new jersey nitwit transplants give mainers a bad name...]  ;)   

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peepee » 02 May 2021, 10:07 am » wrote: [these new jersey nitwit transplants give mainers a bad name...]  Image   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhxuS_NB7kY
That's right.. Mainers use hydraulic wood splitters. not tires. :wah:  

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Vegas » 02 May 2021, 1:11 am » wrote: I don't know about that. Yes, corporatism grew from capitalism. ]
Capitalism and corporatism are the same thing. The capitalists WANT you to call their *** corporatism and their mouth capitalism - it serves their interests.

If you can point to one decade of any nation's history where capitalism was not expressed as what YOU are calling corporatism, I will join your little tea party/unicorn show. If not, it is what it does. Names are meaningless.
 

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DeezerShoove » 01 May 2021, 2:54 pm » wrote: Fish oil, African semen...

They're probably both beneficial in their own ways.

In the end, you die no matter what. This gives me hope oddly.
No Dorian Gray for me.

I AM Dorian Gray. For all my sins of the flesh, I look and carry myself as I am 20 years younger than my age.

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Cannonpointer » 02 May 2021, 11:39 am » wrote: Capitalism and corporatism are the same thing. The capitalists WANT you to call their *** corporatism and their mouth capitalism - it serves their interests.

If you can point to one decade of any nation's history where capitalism was not expressed as what YOU are calling corporatism, I will join your little tea party/unicorn show. If not, it is what it does. Names are meaningless.

I have never denied that corporatism doesn't follow. It will always be there. I am saying that the one is the cause of the other, as opposed to the two being the exact same thing. They aren't. How many small businesses are there across the US that have nothing to do with corporations, but are still under a capitalist system?

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Vegas » 02 May 2021, 2:23 pm » wrote: I have never denied that corporatism doesn't follow. It will always be there. I am saying that the one is the cause of the other, as opposed to the two being the exact same thing. They aren't. How many small businesses are there across the US that have nothing to do with corporations, but are still under a capitalist system?
Zero. There are NONE.

Capitalism is what happens on wall street. What happens on main street is free enterprise.

The mom and pops do not have access to billions through stock sales. They are not regulated by the SEC.

You really need to stop this childish collapsing of definitions . I have distinguished free enterprise from capitalism a dozen **** times on this board - a few of them for you, personally.

You insist on creating distinctions that do not exist while blurring distinctions that do - how much *** dick are you sitting on right this minute? Be honest.

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Cannonpointer » 02 May 2021, 2:44 pm » wrote: Zero. There are NONE.

Capitalism is what happens on wall street. What happens on main street is free enterprise.

The mom and pops do not have access to billions through stock sales. They are not regulated by the SEC.

You really need to stop this childish collapsing of definitions . I have distinguished free enterprise from capitalism a dozen **** times on this board - a few of them for you, personally.

You insist on creating distinctions that do not exist while blurring distinctions that do - how much *** dick are you sitting on right this minute? Be honest.
LOL.
I guess I am just sitting on your *** dick.

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Phoenix68.2.0 » 02 May 2021, 9:13 am » wrote:
GeorgeWashington » 01 May 2021, 6:37 pm » wrote:
Phoenix68.2.0 » 01 May 2021, 7:10 am » wrote: Image
The Millennials are already way-out, ahead of you.

It's lookin' like the MILLENNIALS will finally be THE generation that WHACKS MIDDLE-MANAGERS.....those clowns who've called themselves "professional-managers", 'cause they've GOT no ACTUAL skills.....besides doing what THEIR manager TOLD THEM TO DO!!!!!
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Middle Management Is On Its Way Out!!!
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Which one of these roles is “middle management?”

Role(Subordinates)
FTE (1)
Lead (4-10)
Manager (10-50)
Director (50-300)
VP/Exec (300- 1000 )
Exec (1000+)
Director (50-300)
VP/Exec (300- 1000 )
.
Image
American-manufacturing is going NOWHERE....until Engineering is running-the-show, again.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDu47czfwiI
 
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ROFL
 Vegas
LOL.
I guess I am just sitting on your *** dick.
ROFL
 

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Vegas » 02 May 2021, 3:54 pm » wrote: LOL.
I guess I am just sitting on your *** dick.

Did you flatten it

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Cannonpointer » 02 May 2021, 11:39 am » wrote: Capitalism and corporatism are the same thing. The capitalists WANT you to call their *** corporatism and their mouth capitalism - it serves their interests.

If you can point to one decade of any nation's history where capitalism was not expressed as what YOU are calling corporatism, I will join your little tea party/unicorn show. If not, it is what it does. Names are meaningless.
I know what YOU mean when you say corporatism...but I just can't stand it. TECHNICALLY Corporatism is a totally different thing...hate the word being used this way : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism
technical 'corporatism' is fascist. It doesn't mean rule by corporate oligarchs.

 
 

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