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On Wednesday, NPR reported that experts are warning about the growing entrenchment of minority rule in Congress, with both the House and the Senate experiencing democratic backsliding.

 "Right now, the Senate is split evenly in half, but the 50 Democratic senators represent 41.5 million more people than the 50 Republican senators," reported Mara Liasson. "By 2040, if population trends continue, 70% of Americans will be represented by just 30 senators, and 30% of Americans by 70 senators. That has lots of implications, like for the Senate filibuster, where a party that represents a shrinking minority of voters can block almost all major legislation."

 "But it also has implications for the Supreme Court, says Jesse Wegman, author of Let the People Pick the President," continued the report. Wegman said: "You have this sort of turbocharged minority rule. You have a counter-majoritarian institution chosen by people who picked by a minority of the citizens. That's not a sustainable model for a representative democracy." The upshot is that serious progress on issues that Republicans don't want serious progress on, like gun violence, is impossible.

"Michael Li of the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University says partisan gerrymandering hasn't just created safe seats for Democrats and Republicans," said the report. "In many cases, he says, it allows one party to draw district lines that secure its grip on the state legislature — like Wisconsin. "'The map there was drawn by Republicans so that under any reasonable election scenario, they win a majority of the seats,' Li said. 'So even if they win, say, 47 or 48% percent of the vote statewide, they are likely to get about 60% of the seats. And that's something that's deeply undemocratic.'"Meanwhile, much of the House and state legislatures are still rigged by gerrymandering, said the report.

 Senate Democrats have been warning that the system is "out of whack" for a while, the report noted. "The way this is starting to work is that elected representatives who collectively have gathered 10 million, maybe 12 million, maybe by the year 2030 30 million fewer votes are going to stack the judiciary and entrench minority rule," said Sen. Brian Schatz (D-HI) at judicial hearings last year to confirm Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. "And so something has to give."
 

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First step get rid of the Electoral College!....Next, get rid of Gerrymandering...and lastly, bring back the Fairness Doctrine


Why should a Criminal Minority, the gop, that the Majority despise, run this Country

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Benson13 » 09 Jun 2021, 10:41 am » wrote: On Wednesday, NPR reported that experts are warning about the growing entrenchment of minority rule in Congress, with both the House and the Senate experiencing democratic backsliding.

 "Right now, the Senate is split evenly in half, but the 50 Democratic senators represent 41.5 million more people than the 50 Republican senators," reported Mara Liasson. "By 2040, if population trends continue, 70% of Americans will be represented by just 30 senators, and 30% of Americans by 70 senators. That has lots of implications, like for the Senate filibuster, where a party that represents a shrinking minority of voters can block almost all major legislation."

 "But it also has implications for the Supreme Court, says Jesse Wegman, author of Let the People Pick the President," continued the report. Wegman said: "You have this sort of turbocharged minority rule. You have a counter-majoritarian institution chosen by people who picked by a minority of the citizens. That's not a sustainable model for a representative democracy." The upshot is that serious progress on issues that Republicans don't want serious progress on, like gun violence, is impossible.

"Michael Li of the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University says partisan gerrymandering hasn't just created safe seats for Democrats and Republicans," said the report. "In many cases, he says, it allows one party to draw district lines that secure its grip on the state legislature — like Wisconsin. "'The map there was drawn by Republicans so that under any reasonable election scenario, they win a majority of the seats,' Li said. 'So even if they win, say, 47 or 48% percent of the vote statewide, they are likely to get about 60% of the seats. And that's something that's deeply undemocratic.'"Meanwhile, much of the House and state legislatures are still rigged by gerrymandering, said the report.

 Senate Democrats have been warning that the system is "out of whack" for a while, the report noted. "The way this is starting to work is that elected representatives who collectively have gathered 10 million, maybe 12 million, maybe by the year 2030 30 million fewer votes are going to stack the judiciary and entrench minority rule," said Sen. Brian Schatz (D-HI) at judicial hearings last year to confirm Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. "And so something has to give."

Senators don't represent the interest of the people.  The represent the interest of their respective states.  That is why they were appointed by the state.  

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Huey » 09 Jun 2021, 10:50 am » wrote: Senators don't represent the interest of the people.  The represent the interest of their respective states.  That is why they were appointed by the state.
And here, with his usual reductionist idiocy is the Easily Influenced

 

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Blackvegetable » 09 Jun 2021, 10:53 am » wrote: And here, with his usual reductionist idiocy is the Easily Influenced
ANother left wing source:

The Senate represents states, not people. That’s the problem.States as states do need representation in the federal government. Under the Constitution, they have far too much.

 The case for statesThe United States is a federal system. Each state has its own sovereignty and has some authority over its own interests. The relative authority of the state and the national government is contested, but the states retain something.But since the federal government is so powerful, the states need a way to protect themselves. The Framers’ approach to this sort problem is to let ambition check ambition. The legislature and the president check and balance each other. Similarly, the states are not protected from the federal government by mere parchment barriers. They can defend themselves through their representation in the Senate.

These concerns were central for the Framers, who were looking at the Constitution from the very state-centered perspective of the Articles of Confederation. Each state had its own government and identity, and their relationship to one another was weak. The Constitution aimed to make that relationship stronger, but states were still the players. An American was a citizen of their state first, and of the union second.

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/13/17971340 ... reme-court

got anything else?
 

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Huey » 09 Jun 2021, 10:58 am » wrote: ANother left wing source:

The Senate represents states, not people. That’s the problem.States as states do need representation in the federal government. Under the Constitution, they have far too much.

 The case for statesThe United States is a federal system. Each state has its own sovereignty and has some authority over its own interests. The relative authority of the state and the national government is contested, but the states retain something.But since the federal government is so powerful, the states need a way to protect themselves. The Framers’ approach to this sort problem is to let ambition check ambition. The legislature and the president check and balance each other. Similarly, the states are not protected from the federal government by mere parchment barriers. They can defend themselves through their representation in the Senate.

These concerns were central for the Framers, who were looking at the Constitution from the very state-centered perspective of the Articles of Confederation. Each state had its own government and identity, and their relationship to one another was weak. The Constitution aimed to make that relationship stronger, but states were still the players. An American was a citizen of their state first, and of the union second.

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/13/17971340 ... reme-court

got anything else?
It remains reductionist drivel.


The effect has been debilitating...
 

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and ALWAYS with the Criminal gop....."PARTY OVER COUNTRY"

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Blackvegetable » 09 Jun 2021, 11:00 am » wrote: It remains reductionist drivel.

The effect has been debilitating...

It shows once again I am correct.  My case is made.  Yours, not so much.  Par for the course.  Make a case without demands or questions. 

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Huey » 09 Jun 2021, 11:07 am » wrote: It shows once again I am correct.  My case is made.  Yours, not so much.  Par for the course.  Make a case without demands or questions.
Your "case" is reductionist drivel..


As I pointed out.
 

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"Right now, the Senate is split evenly in half, but the 50 Democratic senators represent 41.5 million more people than the 50 Republican senators," reported Mara Liasson. "By 2040, if population trends continue, 70% of Americans will be represented by just 30 senators, and 30% of Americans by 70 senators. That has lots of implications, like for the Senate filibuster, where a party that represents a shrinking minority of voters can block almost all major legislation."

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Blackvegetable » 09 Jun 2021, 11:10 am » wrote: Your "case" is reductionist drivel..

As I pointed out.
And you can't refute it.  

You lose.  As I pointed out. 
 
 

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Huey » 09 Jun 2021, 10:50 am » wrote: Senators don't represent the interest of the people.  The represent the interest of their respective states.  That is why they were appointed by the state.
Senators are not "appointed," u DUMB BASS TURD.
 

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supraTruth » 09 Jun 2021, 11:16 am » wrote: Senators are not "appointed," u DUMB BASS TURD.
Do you understand the difference between present tense and past tense, ******* turd?

That is why they were appointed by the state.

were:

verb
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Huey » 09 Jun 2021, 11:15 am » wrote: And you can't refute it.  

You lose.  As I pointed out.
I never challenged its veracity..

**** idiot..
 

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Blackvegetable » 09 Jun 2021, 11:18 am » wrote:
Huey » 09 Jun 2021, 11:15 am » wrote: And you can't refute it.  

You lose.  As I pointed out.
I never challenged its veracity..

**** idiot..
 

 

No, you offered an opinion.  I challenged the veracity of a statement and provided proof to back up my claim and debunk yours.  You?  As usual, nothing. 

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OK boys....get a room

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Huey » 09 Jun 2021, 11:19 am » wrote: No, you offered an opinion.  I challenged the veracity of a statement and provided proof to back up my claim and debunk yours.  You?  As usual, nothing.
No, you didn't..

The structure that no one disputes has created a gross assymetry, which you've blithely disregarded...the point of the OP..


Your contribution was valueless.


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Blackvegetable » 09 Jun 2021, 11:22 am » wrote: No, you didn't..

The structure that no one disputes has created a gross assymetry, which you've blithely disregarded...the point of the OP..

Your contribution was valueless.

No, it hasn't.  The senate represents the state's interest and that is why it is equally proportioned.  The house represents the people's interests and is proportioned accordingly.  

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Huey » 09 Jun 2021, 11:17 am » wrote: Do you understand the difference between present tense and past tense, ******* turd?

That is why they were appointed by the state.

were:

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Well, according to our United States Constitution, they AIN'T ANY MORE!  SO GO **** YOUR ******* SELF! 

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