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Vegasgiants » 22 Jul 2021, 10:17 am » wrote: They are required to treat a heart attack but not high cholesterol.   You have to be near death to get treatment
Bingo.  I totally agree.  Precisely why single payer is so crucial.  Most insurance policies these days come attached to massive deductibles that pay out nothing until that deductible is met.  Lack of preventative care (due to exorbitant out-of-pocket costs) makes high dollar procedures like heart attacks and strokes infinitely more expensive.  If we can provide preventative care for people, far fewer would be having heart attacks and strokes.  Same applies for other medical specialties as well. 

 
 

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RollingRock » 22 Jul 2021, 10:15 am » wrote: Federal law prohibits a healthcare provider to deny a patient care in the event of a medical emergency.   In fact, they can be prosecuted for doing so.   That is through the EMTALA Act of 1986.   A healthcare provider cannot allow someone to die on the sidewalk; they MUST provide care.  However, once the patient is stabilized and released, he can certainly be (and WILL be) billed for those services.   THAT is where the problem starts. 

If the patient is unable to write a check for his services, he will likely end up in collections, bankruptcy, and/or foreclosure.  All because he had the audacity to have a medical event without insurance coverage and without a 6-7 digit bank account.

Currently healthcare is for the wealthy and well-insured here in the US.  We desperately need single payer healthcare in this country.
If you want it that badly, move to Canada and deal with the failing single payer health insurance THEY have!
You've obviously joined the crowd of the most gullible on earth who believed how great Obamacare would be, and now since that's failed miserably, you want to jump on board to swallow the NEXT pack of lies your demented moron leader and his pack of socialists and communists feed you!
Universal Health Care in Canada: A Colossal Government Failure
Mises Wire 04/28/2018  Lee Friday
 
Canada's Health-Care System Is Failing To Deliver Timely Care To Patients
Huff Post By Bacchus Barua
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04/12/2016 09:57am EDT | Updated April 13, 2017
 
Reforming Canada’s Failing Health Care System
Frontier Centre by Brian Giesbrecht  October 11, 2019
 
The Pitfalls of Single-Payer Health Care: Canada’s Cautionary Tale
National Review By CANDICE MALCOLM April 13, 2017 8:00 AM
 
Report Says Canada’s Socialized Medicine Failing Canadians
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OTTAWA BUREAU CHIEF  July 03, 2017
 
List of 10 health care issues in Canada 2021
iDealMedHealth Nov. 10, 2020
  • High cost of health care services
  • Chronic/communicable diseases
  • Aging population
  • Longer wait time
  • Geographical disparity
  • Lack of pharmacare/medicare drug plan
  • Access to a personal doctor
  • Shortage of medical technology
  • Lack of access to new drugs
  • Health policies and ethics
What you see above is the continual problems with Canada's single payer healthcare system FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS, and yet liberal morons like you insist that somehow an American single payer plan would solve all your problems! 
And if you don't believe those stories, there are dozens more like it where even a liberal idiot sheeple would realize the reality! 

Why can't you admit what gullible fools you dumb liberals are? 
 

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Vegasgiants » 22 Jul 2021, 10:17 am » wrote: Good.  Admitting your lies is the first step
Do you get off on making phony claims like that because you lack the intelligence to know when you've been beaten or is it just that your life is so empty that you've got nothing better to do?
 

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Zeets2 » 22 Jul 2021, 10:38 am » wrote: If you want it that badly, move to Canada and deal with the failing single payer health insurance THEY have!
You've obviously joined the crowd of the most gullible on earth who believed how great Obamacare would be, and now since that's failed miserably, you want to jump on board to swallow the NEXT pack of lies your demented moron leader and his pack of socialists and communists feed you!

What you see above is the continual problems with Canada's single payer healthcare system FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS, and yet liberal morons like you insist that somehow an American single payer plan would solve all your problems! 
And if you don't believe those stories, there are dozens more like it where even a liberal idiot sheeple would realize the reality! 

Why can't you admit what gullible fools you dumb liberals are?
In canada they LOVE their system.  You couldn't get elected dog catcher if you said you wanted to switch to an American style system 



They think our system is nuts and they are right

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Zeets2 » 22 Jul 2021, 10:40 am » wrote: Do you get off on making phony claims like that because you lack the intelligence to know when you've been beaten or is it just that your life is so empty that you've got nothing better to do?
Sorry dude you are a liar.  You have no credibility 

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Vegasgiants » 22 Jul 2021, 10:40 am » wrote: In canada they LOVE their system.  You couldn't get elected dog catcher if you said you wanted to switch to an American style system 

They think our system is nuts and they are right
So what's stopping you from moving there?  I promise you, you won't be missed!
 

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Vegasgiants » 22 Jul 2021, 10:41 am » wrote: Sorry dude you are a liar.  You have no credibility
Too bad you can't prove that statement by lying about what I've said!
 

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Zeets2 » 22 Jul 2021, 10:43 am » wrote: So what's stopping you from moving there?  I promise you, you won't be missed!
Nothing.  You dont like our border problems?  Move to North Korea ****


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Zeets2 » 22 Jul 2021, 10:44 am » wrote: Too bad you can't prove that statement by lying about what I've said!
Sorry liar you have been busted

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Zeets2 » 22 Jul 2021, 10:38 am » wrote: If you want it that badly, move to Canada and deal with the failing single payer health insurance THEY have!
Had Cheeto managed to get back into the White House, I would have.  Canada's healthcare system isn't "failing."  Try taking healthcare away from Canadians and watch their polite and gentle nature disappear.  Those folks LOVE their healthcare.
You've obviously joined the crowd of the most gullible on earth who believed how great Obamacare would be
I'm a guy who has spent 32 years as the reimbursement director for a specialty medical provider.  I was against Obamacare.  Why was I against Obamacare?  Simply - BECAUSE IT CONTINUED TO INCLUDE insurance companies.  ****, the law was partially written by medical insurance personnel.  

Y'see, medical insurance companies are an unnecessary middle man in our healthcare.  Their existence is to blame for the highest healthcare costs on the planet.....except the wealthy 'ole US of A.   We need to cull out the insurance companies (and their inherent greed) and make healthcare between the patient and his/her doctor.  And, yes, our tax dollars pay the tab.  
, and now since that's failed miserably, you want to jump on board to swallow the NEXT pack of lies your demented moron leader and his pack of socialists and communists feed you!
Your shrieking of "socialists" and "communists" is laughable.  Every industrialized country on the **** planet provides a healthcare plan for their citizens.  It's not "communism" or "socialism."  Image    It's called giving a **** about your citizens (all of 'em, not just the wealthy ones).  
What you see above is the continual problems with Canada's single payer healthcare system FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS, and yet liberal morons like you insist that somehow an American single payer plan would solve all your problems! 
And if you don't believe those stories, there are dozens more like it where even a liberal idiot sheeple would realize the reality!
Canadians LOVE their healthcare.  Try taking it away from them and see what happens.
Why can't you admit what gullible fools you dumb liberals are?
Yawn.  
 
 
 
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RollingRock » 22 Jul 2021, 10:59 am » wrote: Had Cheeto managed to get back into the White House, I would have.  Canada's healthcare system isn't "failing."  Try taking healthcare away from Canadians and watch their polite and gentle nature disappear.  Those folks LOVE their healthcare.

I'm a guy who has spent 32 years as the reimbursement director for a specialty medical provider.  I was against Obamacare.  Why was I against Obamacare?  Simply - BECAUSE IT CONTINUED TO INCLUDE insurance companies.  ****, the law was partially written by medical insurance personnel.  

Y'see, medical insurance companies are an unnecessary middle man in our healthcare.  Their existence is to blame for the highest healthcare costs on the planet.  We need to cull out the insurance companies (and their inherent greed) and make healthcare between the patient and his/her doctor.  And, yes, our tax dollars pay the tab.  

Your shrieking of "socialists" and "communists" is laughable.  Every industrialized country on the **** planet provides a healthcare plan for their citizens.  It's not "communism" or "socialism."  Image    It's called giving a **** about your citizens (all of 'em, not just the wealthy ones).  

Canadians LOVE their healthcare.  Try taking it away from them and see what happens.

Yawn.
You claim you were against Obamacare, and yet I guarantee you voted for him twice, and now you've voted for the demented moron who you think will solve all your worries with yet ANOTHER pie-in-the-sky liberal panacea.  

And if you hated Obamacare so much, why were you so afraid to give Trump the necessary support to provide us with a REAL reform which was killed by the same dumb Democrats you voted for in Congress?

P.S.  I don't believe for a second that you would have left the country if Trump won re-election.  The list of how many Democrats promised to do the same thing in 2016 is endless, and I'll bet you can't name one of them who actually left then, can you?
 

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Vegasgiants » 22 Jul 2021, 10:45 am » wrote: Sorry liar you have been busted
Who do you think who ever believe a lying scumbag ****** like you when you can't back up a single one of your lies?
You were clearly born a liar and you'll die as one, and you'll be a lying miserable cretin every day in between!
 

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Zeets2 » 22 Jul 2021, 11:07 am » wrote: You claim you were against Obamacare, and yet I guarantee you voted for him twice, and now you've voted for the demented moron who you think will solve all your worries with yet ANOTHER pie-in-the-sky liberal panacea.  

And if you hated Obamacare so much, why were you so afraid to give Trump the necessary support to provide us with a REAL reform which was killed by the same dumb Democrats you voted for in Congress?
Do you want to talk about healthcare or screech about Obama.  Yes, I voted for him twice.  I'd vote for him again if he were able to run.  That doesn't mean I agreed with every single thing he did; I didn't.  

Obamacare improved healthcare affordability.  Granted, it's not what I wanted.....but it's not all about me.  It was an improvement over what existed.  
 

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Taipan » 16 Jul 2021, 2:33 pm » wrote: Socialism SUCKS............just ask Cuba today.                                                  Image  .
Life is hard in Cuba because of a six decade long embargo by the good old USA, cheesedick.
Easy to understand why Cubans living in Cuba (not some ******* right wing Cubans from Miami) hate this country.

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RollingRock » 22 Jul 2021, 11:22 am » wrote:
Zeets2 » 22 Jul 2021, 11:07 am » wrote: You claim you were against Obamacare, and yet I guarantee you voted for him twice, and now you've voted for the demented moron who you think will solve all your worries with yet ANOTHER pie-in-the-sky liberal panacea.  

And if you hated Obamacare so much, why were you so afraid to give Trump the necessary support to provide us with a REAL reform which was killed by the same dumb Democrats you voted for in Congress?
Do you want to talk about healthcare or screech about Obama.  Yes, I voted for him twice.  I'd vote for him again if he were able to run.  That doesn't mean I agreed with every single thing he did; I didn't.  

Obamacare improved healthcare affordability.  Granted, it's not what I wanted.....but it's not all about me.  It was an improvement over what existed.  
 

 
Lots of luck attempting a reasonable dialog with Zits.
 

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IkeBana » 22 Jul 2021, 11:25 am » wrote: Lots of luck attempting a reasonable dialog with Zits.
Zeets thinks the fact that healthcare is only for the rich and well-insured is a good thing.  

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Zeets2 » 22 Jul 2021, 11:07 am » wrote: You claim you were against Obamacare, and yet I guarantee you voted for him twice...
Many of us were unhappy with the ACA because we wanted, and still want universal Medicare, numbnuts.  And voted for Obama twice.  I have a whole list of things Obama did or didn't do that I'm unhappy with.  And if he was able to run again, I'd vote for him again.
 

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Zeets2 » 22 Jul 2021, 11:09 am » wrote: Who do you think who ever believe a lying scumbag ****** like you when you can't back up a single one of your lies?
You were clearly born a liar and you'll die as one, and you'll be a lying miserable cretin every day in between!
Well I showed that you lied about Obama....so theres that.  Lol

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Vegasgiants » 22 Jul 2021, 11:37 am » wrote: Well I showed that you lied about Obama....so theres that.  Lol
That's yet ANOTHER lie!  And that was proven by the fact that your reading comprehension is the equivalent of a 10 year old!
 

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IkeBana » 22 Jul 2021, 11:30 am » wrote: Many of us were unhappy with the ACA because we wanted, and still want universal Medicare, numbnuts.  And voted for Obama twice.  I have a whole list of things Obama did or didn't do that I'm unhappy with.  And if he was able to run again, I'd vote for him again.
Which does nothing but prove what a gullible fool you were and still are!
 

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