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Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 9:22 am » wrote: Pay attention. 

Machine gun.

Assault rifle.


Notice how they don't even sound the same?

No questions, dick sucker.

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Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 9:22 am » wrote: Do you have tits, Road?

No questions, dick sucker. 

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Cannonpointer » 22 Jun 2022, 9:25 am » wrote: No questions, dick sucker.
Maybe he doesn't notice..

 

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Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 9:22 am » wrote: Do you have tits, Road?

Are you projecting yer ideology onto me?

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Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 9:26 am » wrote: Maybe he doesn't notice..

No questions, dick sucker.

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Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 9:22 am » wrote: Pay attention. 

Machine gun.

Assault rifle.


Notice how they don't even sound the same?

I already discussed that.  But at least you admitted that the Semi Automatic AR 15 style rifles are not assault weapons, as defined by a US Government agency.  

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Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 9:22 am » wrote:
Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 9:19 am » wrote: This how to post when you have no knowledge of the topic at hand…..
Pay attention. 

Machine gun.

Assault rifle.


Notice how they don't even sound the same?
I have also posted for you before the ATF UA CODE definition of a machine gun.  That means what the military considers an assault weapon such as the Colt M16 or the AK47 or any other AUTOMATIC weapon is a machine gun.  You may bow your head in shame. 

Here it is again:
Firearms Verification

National Firearms Act Definitions
Machinegun 26 U.S.C. § 5845(b)

For the purposes of the National Firearms Act the term Machinegun means:
  • Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger
  • The frame or receiver of any such weapon
  • Any part designed and intended solely and exclusively or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, or
  • Any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
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Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 12:01 pm » wrote: I have also posted for you before the ATF UA CODE definition of a machine gun.  That means what the military considers an assault weapon such as the Colt M16 or the AK47 or any other AUTOMATIC weapon is a machine gun.  You may bow your head in shame. 

Here it is again:
Firearms Verification

National Firearms Act Definitions
Machinegun 26 U.S.C. § 5845(b)

For the purposes of the National Firearms Act the term Machinegun means:
  • Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger
  • The frame or receiver of any such weapon
  • Any part designed and intended solely and exclusively or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, or
  • Any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

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I have also posted for you before the ATF UA CODE
Which came first?

The purpose of the design, or the ATF definition?

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Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 11:43 am » wrote: I already discussed that.  But at least you admitted that the Semi Automatic AR 15 style rifles are not assault weapons, as defined by a US Government agency.
Numerous are the irrelevant factoids.

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Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 12:34 pm » wrote: Which came first?

The purpose of the design, or the ATF definition?
Lmao!

The ATF definition which is from the NFA of 1934.

Game.  Set.  Match.

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Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 12:35 pm » wrote: Lmao!

The ATF definition which is from the NFA of 1934.

Game.  Set.  Match.
How could that pertain to a weapon designed to military specifications, starting in 1944?



 

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Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 12:37 pm » wrote:
Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 12:35 pm » wrote: Lmao!

The ATF definition which is from the NFA of 1934.

Game.  Set.  Match.
How could that pertain to a weapon designed to military specifications, starting in 1944?



 

 

Dude, it is over.  Watching you stumble around this topic is like watching Tex Cobb get brutally beat by Larry Holmes in 82.  

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Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 12:35 pm » wrote:
Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 11:43 am » wrote: I already discussed that.  But at least you admitted that the Semi Automatic AR 15 style rifles are not assault weapons, as defined by a US Government agency.
Numerous are the irrelevant factoids.

 

I have actually brought both facty thingies and legit sources.  You?  Nothing but questions and talking points.  I'll look for your sources, narratives, and facts.  

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Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 12:41 pm » wrote: Dude, it is over.  Watching you stumble around this topic is like watching Tex Cobb get brutally beat by Larry Holmes in 82.
Tiny,

It hasn't ever been "on".

You insist on "contradicting" citations with transparent twaddle.

Then you declare "victory", while running from questions..

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Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 12:43 pm » wrote: I have actually brought both facty thingies and legit sources.  You?  Nothing but questions and talking points.  I'll look for your sources, narratives, and facts.
You're lying.

No need to read on.

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Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 12:37 pm » wrote: How could that pertain to a weapon designed to military specifications, starting in 1944?
Because, there have not been any fundamental changes to the function of a semi-auto firearm and a full-auto firearm since the NFA. Guns are old technology.  Other than materials, there is nothing high-tech about pistols, AR-15's, AK's, Mac 10's, or belt-fed semi-autos and full-autos.

About the only high tech "gun" that might not be covered by the NFA would be Metal Storm:Image

This is not something that can be bought, found on the black market (or any market), or made in the back yards of hobby machinists. So, we don't need to change the NFA to address it.

https://youtu.be/wKlnMwuCZso

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Skans » 22 Jun 2022, 12:46 pm » wrote: Because, there have not been any fundamental changes to the function of a semi-auto firearm and a full-auto firearm since the NFA. Guns are old technology.  Other than materials, there is nothing high-tech about pistols, AR-15's, AK's, Mac 10's, or belt-fed semi-autos and full-autos.

About the only high tech "gun" that might not be covered by the NFA would be Metal Storm:Image

This is not something that can be bought, found on the black market (or any market), or made in the back yards of hobby machinists. So, we don't need to change the NFA to address it.
More creative writing.

The MILITARY determines what it wants, and why.

The Assault Rifle was designed for specific reasons, identified through empirical analysis of shooters, context, and injuries. It was developed to conform with a particular MILITARY Doctrine.

The reason it is sold to civilians in slightly modified form is entirely divorced from its purpose. It is all about the dollars. It's metal oxy.

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Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 12:43 pm » wrote:
Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 12:41 pm » wrote: Dude, it is over.  Watching you stumble around this topic is like watching Tex Cobb get brutally beat by Larry Holmes in 82.
Tiny,

It hasn't ever been "on".

You insist on "contradicting" citations with transparent twaddle.

Then you declare "victory", while running from questions..

 

Stop talking about it and bring it on.

1.  You have been given the military definition (Govt Agency) Definition of an assault rifle.  Game Over.

2.  You have been given the ATF (NFA) definition of a machine gun.  Game over.

3.  You need less strike thru, more reading, more sources, more narrative and less questions.  If you are not going bring it on, don't bother any further.  

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Huey » 22 Jun 2022, 1:10 pm » wrote: Stop talking about it and bring it on.

1.  You have been given the military definition (Govt Agency) Definition of an assault rifle.  Game Over.

2.  You have been given the ATF (NFA) definition of a machine gun.  Game over.

3.  You need less strike thru, more reading, more sources, more narrative and less questions.  If you are not going bring it on, don't bother any further.
No, Controlly..

It's over...in your own words.
You are absolutely correct there is only one design for the AR 15.  
 

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Blackvegetable » 22 Jun 2022, 12:54 pm » wrote:
Skans » 22 Jun 2022, 12:46 pm » wrote: Because, there have not been any fundamental changes to the function of a semi-auto firearm and a full-auto firearm since the NFA. Guns are old technology.  Other than materials, there is nothing high-tech about pistols, AR-15's, AK's, Mac 10's, or belt-fed semi-autos and full-autos.

About the only high tech "gun" that might not be covered by the NFA would be Metal Storm:Image

This is not something that can be bought, found on the black market (or any market), or made in the back yards of hobby machinists. So, we don't need to change the NFA to address it.
More creative writing.

The MILITARY determines what it wants, and why.

The Assault Rifle was designed for specific reasons, identified through empirical analysis of shooters, context, and injuries. It was developed to conform with a particular MILITARY Doctrine.

The reason it is sold to civilians in slightly modified form is entirely divorced from its purpose. It is all about the dollars. It's metal oxy.

 
The Assault Rifle was designed for specific reasons, identified through empirical analysis of shooters, context, and injuries. It was developed to conform with a particular MILITARY Doctrine.
We now this.
The reason it is sold to civilians in slightly modified form is entirely divorced from its purpose. It is all about the dollars. It's metal oxy.
The rifle sold to civilians does not conform with a particular military doctrine. By the military's own definition the rifle sold to civilians is not an assault rifle.  
 

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