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Critics argue that the guns are weapons of war that were designed for the battlefield and have no business in the civilian market. “They are the Formula One cars of guns, designed to kill as many people as quickly and efficiently as possible,” Joe Plenzler, a Marine combat veteran, told The New York Times in 2018. The gun industry rejects that characterization, pointing to the fact that they’re not fully automatic. But combat troops often fire their M4s and M16s in semiautomatic mode, as opposed to fully automatic or burst mode, because semiautomatic fire is easier to control and therefore more accurate.


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“Military members have to requalify every year on their weapons,” she wrote in a recent Twitter thread. “They go through rigorous [and] serious training on handling their guns. Plus, they don’t get to keep their weapons [with] them. They are stored at the armory [and] issued only upon deployments or training.”


 This is the point that civilians who fight any regulation on guns don’t understand, the part that really frustrates folks like Plenzler.

 “Civilians, these guys at the gun range, wearing their cargo trousers,” he said. “They never spent a day in the military, and it’s kind of a cosplay fantasy. … They’re inculcating a misguided sense of manhood.”

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Blackvegetable » 23 Jun 2022, 7:58 am » wrote: Critics argue that the guns are weapons of war that were designed for the battlefield and have no business in the civilian market. “They are the Formula One cars of guns, designed to kill as many people as quickly and efficiently as possible,” Joe Plenzler, a Marine combat veteran, told The New York Times in 2018. The gun industry rejects that characterization, pointing to the fact that they’re not fully automatic. But combat troops often fire their M4s and M16s in semiautomatic mode, as opposed to fully automatic or burst mode, because semiautomatic fire is easier to control and therefore more accurate.

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But combat troops often fire their M4s and M16s in semiautomatic mode, as opposed to fully automatic or burst mode, because semiautomatic fire is easier to control and therefore more accurate.

You could have learned that 45 years ago.  I learned it 40 years ago.  That is why the M16 was changed to the M16A2 sometime in the late 80s or early 90s.  They took away full auto and replaced it with three round burst. The M4 also has models with the burst function.  

The reason being is the weapon tends to rise and go to the side after about 3-6 rounds on full auto.  

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Blackvegetable » 23 Jun 2022, 8:01 am » wrote: “Military members have to requalify every year on their weapons,” she wrote in a recent Twitter thread. “They go through rigorous [and] serious training on handling their guns. Plus, they don’t get to keep their weapons [with] them. They are stored at the armory [and] issued only upon deployments or training.”


 This is the point that civilians who fight any regulation on guns don’t understand, the part that really frustrates folks like Plenzler.

 “Civilians, these guys at the gun range, wearing their cargo trousers,” he said. “They never spent a day in the military, and it’s kind of a cosplay fantasy. … They’re inculcating a misguided sense of manhood.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va ... n-control/


 

What frustrates folks, to include those have spent time in the military, is people who have no clue creating or supporting gun laws that do not make sense.

 

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Huey » 23 Jun 2022, 8:18 am » wrote: What frustrates folks, to include those have spent time in the military, is people who have no clue creating or supporting gun laws that do not make sense.
Little Pissant,

No one cares what drones in logistics "think".
 

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Huey » 23 Jun 2022, 8:16 am » wrote: You could have learned that 45 years ago.  I learned it 40 years ago.  That is why the M16 was changed to the M16A2 sometime in the late 80s or early 90s.  They took away full auto and replaced it with three round burst. The M4 also has models with the burst function.  

The reason being is the weapon tends to rise and go to the side after about 3-6 rounds on full auto.
Is THAT the point?

**** idiot.
 

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Blackvegetable » 23 Jun 2022, 8:24 am » wrote:
Huey » 23 Jun 2022, 8:16 am » wrote: You could have learned that 45 years ago.  I learned it 40 years ago.  That is why the M16 was changed to the M16A2 sometime in the late 80s or early 90s.  They took away full auto and replaced it with three round burst. The M4 also has models with the burst function.  

The reason being is the weapon tends to rise and go to the side after about 3-6 rounds on full auto.
Is THAT the point?

**** idiot.
 

 

Since you offered no thoughts of your own I chose to discuss that aspect of it.  

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Blackvegetable » 23 Jun 2022, 8:23 am » wrote:
Huey » 23 Jun 2022, 8:18 am » wrote: What frustrates folks, to include those have spent time in the military, is people who have no clue creating or supporting gun laws that do not make sense.
Little Pissant,

No one cares what drones in logistics "think".
 

 

Normally not.  Thanks god I was not in logistics.   :omg:  Post what you think I did.    

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Huey » 23 Jun 2022, 8:26 am » wrote: Normally not.  Thanks god I was not in logistics.   Imagemg:  Post what you think I did.
You were in the rear.

 

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Blackvegetable » 23 Jun 2022, 7:58 am » wrote: Critics argue that the guns are weapons of war that were designed for the battlefield and have no business in the civilian market. “They are the Formula One cars of guns, designed to kill as many people as quickly and efficiently as possible,” Joe Plenzler, a Marine combat veteran, told The New York Times in 2018. The gun industry rejects that characterization, pointing to the fact that they’re not fully automatic. But combat troops often fire their M4s and M16s in semiautomatic mode, as opposed to fully automatic or burst mode, because semiautomatic fire is easier to control and therefore more accurate.

https://www.thetrace.org/2022/06/ar15-r ... eapon-ban/
No, this is the formula 1 of guns:

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And, this is just the Toyota Corolla of guns:

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Blackvegetable » 23 Jun 2022, 8:35 am » wrote:
Huey » 23 Jun 2022, 8:26 am » wrote: Normally not.  Thanks god I was not in logistics.   Imagemg:  Post what you think I did.
You were in the rear.

 

 

No, I wasn't. 

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Blackvegetable » 23 Jun 2022, 7:58 am » wrote: Critics argue that the guns are weapons of war that were designed for the battlefield and have no business in the civilian market. “They are the Formula One cars of guns, designed to kill as many people as quickly and efficiently as possible,” Joe Plenzler, a Marine combat veteran, told The New York Times in 2018. The gun industry rejects that characterization, pointing to the fact that they’re not fully automatic. But combat troops often fire their M4s and M16s in semiautomatic mode, as opposed to fully automatic or burst mode, because semiautomatic fire is easier to control and therefore more accurate.


https://www.thetrace.org/2022/06/ar15-r ... eapon-ban/
 

 

I would agree that assault rifles issued to the military are the Formula One cars of guns.  The semi automatic civilian versions are like street stock cars.  

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Blackvegetable » 23 Jun 2022, 7:58 am » wrote: Critics argue that the guns are weapons of war that were designed for the battlefield and have no business in the civilian market. “They are the Formula One cars of guns, designed to kill as many people as quickly and efficiently as possible,” Joe Plenzler, a Marine combat veteran, told The New York Times in 2018. The gun industry rejects that characterization, pointing to the fact that they’re not fully automatic. But combat troops often fire their M4s and M16s in semiautomatic mode, as opposed to fully automatic or burst mode, because semiautomatic fire is easier to control and therefore more accurate.


https://www.thetrace.org/2022/06/ar15-r ... eapon-ban/
 

 

Lets pick apart your article starting here:

The ATF defines a “semiautomatic assault weapon” as a semiautomatic rifle that uses a detachable magazine and has any two of the following features
  • folding or telescoping stock, which is when the back part of the gun folds or detaches and reduces the length of the rifle.
  • A pistol grip that protrudes vertically, similar to a handgun.
  • A mount underneath the barrel for attaching a bayonet or a knife.
  • A flash suppressor, which is a device that attaches to the muzzle and reduces the intensity of the flash generated when the gun fires (or a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor).
  • A grenade launcher.
None of those features improve accuracy, velocity, or mechanical function of the rifle.  

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Huey » 23 Jun 2022, 8:37 am » wrote: I would agree that assault rifles issued to the military are the Formula One cars of guns.  The semi automatic civilian versions are like street stock cars.
Enough stupid, Tiny.

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This is interesting:

So there are many different types of AR-15-style rifles?

Yes. There are hundreds of companies making their own AR-style rifles. And that’s why it’s helpful to think of the AR-15 not as a single type of rifle, but as a weapons platform that is highly modifiable and configurable. Think of the AR-15 not as a model of car, but a class. It’s not a Jeep Wrangler specifically, but an SUV, which can be made by dozens of manufacturers and come in all shapes and sizes.For example, while the original AR-15 was chambered in .223/5.56mm NATO, modern iterations of the gun are available in dozens of different calibers

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You have heard this somewhere before....
 

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Blackvegetable » 23 Jun 2022, 8:39 am » wrote:
Huey » 23 Jun 2022, 8:37 am » wrote: I would agree that assault rifles issued to the military are the Formula One cars of guns.  The semi automatic civilian versions are like street stock cars.
Enough stupid, Tiny.

 
FIFY
 

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@Blackvegetable  How often are they used in crimes? 

Rarely. According to FBI data, nearly two-thirds of homicides are perpetrated with handguns.
 

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Huey » 23 Jun 2022, 8:39 am » wrote: Lets pick apart your article starting here:

The ATF defines a “semiautomatic assault weapon” as a semiautomatic rifle that uses a detachable magazine and has any two of the following features
  • folding or telescoping stock, which is when the back part of the gun folds or detaches and reduces the length of the rifle.
  • A pistol grip that protrudes vertically, similar to a handgun.
  • A mount underneath the barrel for attaching a bayonet or a knife.
  • A flash suppressor, which is a device that attaches to the muzzle and reduces the intensity of the flash generated when the gun fires (or a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor).
  • A grenade launcher.

None of those features improve accuracy, velocity, or mechanical function of the rifle.
No more REMFY.


 

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Huey » 23 Jun 2022, 8:39 am » wrote: Lets pick apart your article starting here:

The ATF defines a “semiautomatic assault weapon” as a semiautomatic rifle that uses a detachable magazine and has any two of the following features
  • folding or telescoping stock, which is when the back part of the gun folds or detaches and reduces the length of the rifle.
  • A pistol grip that protrudes vertically, similar to a handgun.
  • A mount underneath the barrel for attaching a bayonet or a knife.
  • A flash suppressor, which is a device that attaches to the muzzle and reduces the intensity of the flash generated when the gun fires (or a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor).
  • A grenade launcher.
None of those features improve accuracy, velocity, or mechanical function of the rifle.
You actually have to start with the NFA's definition of machine gun.  BATFE doesn't have authority to override or change this.

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Blackvegetable » 23 Jun 2022, 7:58 am » wrote: Critics argue that the guns are weapons of war that were designed for the battlefield and have no business in the civilian market. “They are the Formula One cars of guns, designed to kill as many people as quickly and efficiently as possible,” Joe Plenzler, a Marine combat veteran, told The New York Times in 2018. The gun industry rejects that characterization, pointing to the fact that they’re not fully automatic. But combat troops often fire their M4s and M16s in semiautomatic mode, as opposed to fully automatic or burst mode, because semiautomatic fire is easier to control and therefore more accurate.

https://www.thetrace.org/2022/06/ar15-r ... eapon-ban/

Same drill...pathetic. 

 

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