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roadkill » 24 Jun 2022, 9:33 am » wrote: Maybe it's installed in the trigger assembly to prevent it from requiring the trigger be pull every time...it rolls passed that function?
No, it's installed in the lower receiver.  It trips the hammer hammer sear as the bolt carrier shuts, making it a true auto sear and not turning it into a slam-fire rifle.
 

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Skans » 24 Jun 2022, 1:12 pm » wrote: No, it's installed in the lower receiver.  It trips the hammer hammer sear as the bolt carrier shuts, making it a true auto sear and not turning it into a slam-fire rifle.

OK...thanx.   

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Skans » 24 Jun 2022, 1:11 pm » wrote:
Huey » 24 Jun 2022, 9:23 am » wrote: 27 CFR 179.11: MEANING OF TERMS

The AR15 auto sear is a machinegun as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(b). ATF Rul. 81-4 [Status of ruling: Active] The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has examined an auto sear known by various trade names including “AR15 Auto Sear,” “Drop In Auto Sear,” and “Auto Sear II,” which consists of a sear mounting body, sear, return spring, and pivot pin. The Bureau finds that the single addition of this auto sear to certain AR15 type semiautomatic rifles, manufactured with M16 internal components already installed, will convert such rifles into machineguns. The National Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. 5845(b), defines “machinegun” to include any combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon to shoot automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. HELD: The auto sear known by various trade names including “AR15 Auto Sear,” “Drop In Auto Sear,” and “Auto Sear II,” is a combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon to shoot automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. Consequently, the auto sear is a machinegun as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(b). With respect to the machinegun classification of the auto sear under the National Firearms Act, pursuant to 26 U.S.C. 7805(b), this ruling will not be applied to auto sears manufactured before November 1, 1981. Accordingly, auto sears manufactured on or after November 1, 198

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Nice find on the AR15 auto-sear. The one I posted about is for an FN FNC.  Yes, you can modify the lower receiver by drilling a hole in it to install the registered auto-sear.  You can do this in an FNC, because only the FNC upper receivers are the serial numbered part, making the upper receiver the "gun". So ATF will allow mods to the lower receiver to accept the FNC sear.

BTW, the bolt carrier needs to be modified as well or it won't work.  All legal, as long as the autosear is registered.
 

 
I didn't know what weapon it went to until I did a google search of the pic.  As I said above that is beyond my knowledge.  I know such things can be done by people who know what they are doing but I am not one of them.  I did know that some parts and pieces are classified as machine guns.

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Huey » 24 Jun 2022, 1:08 pm » wrote: I posted to him a couple of links discussing the issue.  THen told him he needed to apologize to you.
What Xavier fails to understand is that the term "machine gun" really has no meaning outside of the law that attributes a defined meaning to the term.

Take away any legal definition of the term machine gun, and what does the phrase really mean?  A gun that is a machine? As opposed to a gun that is not a machine.  You can see  ( @Xavier_Onassis  not so much), machine gun is a nonsense term just like assault weapon is without it being defined in some law.
 

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roadkill » 24 Jun 2022, 1:12 pm » wrote: Hey dude...I took a guess at yer question about how that gadget works but never heard from you...here was my response.

Maybe it's installed in the trigger assembly to prevent it from requiring the trigger be pull every time...it rolls passed that function? ​​​​​​​
I know I did respond.  No, it doesn't install in the trigger assembly.  The lower receiver needs to be drilled, and the part pinned in place.  It acts like a trip - causing the hammer to drop when the bolt carrier closes.  What you described would cause a slam fire at best, but wouldn't really work to make a rifle fire reliable in full auto.  The one exception to this are open bolt guns, which use a lip on the bottom of the bolt face sort of as a timing device, instead of an auto-sear.
 

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Skans » 24 Jun 2022, 1:26 pm » wrote: I know I did respond.  No, it doesn't install in the trigger assembly.  The lower receiver needs to be drilled, and the part pinned in place.  It acts like a trip - causing the hammer to drop when the bolt carrier closes.  What you described would cause a slam fire at best, but wouldn't really work to make a rifle fire reliable in full auto.  The one exception to this are open bolt guns, which use a lip on the bottom of the bolt face sort of as a timing device, instead of an auto-sear.

OK...thanx.  I'm not a gun smith and have no need for a fully automatic gun. But the government has fully automatic guns and that's what the 2nd A. addresses.

Power is corrupt...and absolute power is absolutely corrupt.  The dems are trying their best to make that point while lying about it.

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Skans » 24 Jun 2022, 1:00 pm » wrote: Gun culture isn't responsible for murder.  Murderers are responsible for murder. Yes, I have children.  I have taught them and other children how to shoot.  There are, however, children that I refuse to take shooting.  Those are the ones who are irresponsible, angry, mean, disrespectful, and obstinate.

Like you, for example, I would not teach someone like you how to shoot.
Marines taught me how to shoot.   But no need in civilized society that scum like u want to change into the WILD WILD WEST of ARMED BAD GUYS & idiots.

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roadkill » 24 Jun 2022, 2:07 pm » wrote: OK...thanx.  I'm not a gun smith and have no need for a fully automatic gun. But the government has fully automatic guns and that's what the 2nd A. addresses.

Power is corrupt...and absolute power is absolutely corrupt.  The dems are trying their best to make that point while lying about it.
SAYS A **** 🐖TURD WHO SUPPORTS A WIDE *** 🍊🐖 WITH A BAD LISP WHO HAS MADE NO BONES ABOUT WANTING ABSOLUTE POWER FOR LIFE!

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supraTruth » 25 Jun 2022, 10:31 am » wrote: SAYS A **** 🐖TURD WHO SUPPORTS A WIDE *** 🍊🐖 WITH A BAD LISP WHO HAS MADE NO BONES ABOUT WANTING ABSOLUTE POWER FOR LIFE!

supraClueless...yer mom is calling.

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supraTruth » 25 Jun 2022, 10:31 am » wrote: SAYS A **** 🐖TURD WHO SUPPORTS A WIDE *** 🍊🐖 WITH A BAD LISP WHO HAS MADE NO BONES ABOUT WANTING ABSOLUTE POWER FOR LIFE!

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roadkill » 25 Jun 2022, 10:33 am » wrote: supraClueless...yer mom is calling.
YOUR MOM FARTED OUT A 🐖TURD.

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Skans » 24 Jun 2022, 8:40 am » wrote: This gun part, called an auto-sear, is a legal machine gun, if it was registered pre-1984.

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And, while you could illegally make one of these with a bench grinder and a drill, none of you would ever likely be able to figure out how to "make it work".  Question is, do any of you gun nuts know which gun this is for?  And, how can it be installed into a modified receiver if machine guns can't be manufactured (for civilian ownership) after 1984?

Hint - this is a tricky one to answer.
dude...a gun part cannot be a machine gun,

i assume this has something to do with loading a round into the chamber.

but this is really sortof a silly and disingenuous post cause obviously a little piece of metal cut out in a certain way is not a machine gun.

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supraTruth » 25 Jun 2022, 10:35 am » wrote: YOUR MOM FARTED OUT A 🐖TURD.
 SHE SURE DIDImage  

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FOS » 25 Jun 2022, 10:40 am » wrote: dude...a gun part cannot be a machine gun,

i assume this has something to do with loading a round into the chamber.

but this is really sortof a silly and disingenuous post cause obviously a little piece of metal cut out in a certain way is not a machine gun.
The NFA definition that the ATF uses classifies that as a machine gun and depending on when you took possession the auto sear must be registered as a machine gun. All of that is posted on the thread.  I posted the definition and Skans posted the registration part.

Here is another link

https://www.ffl123.com/drop-in-auto-sear-dias/

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Huey » 25 Jun 2022, 10:46 am » wrote: The NFA definition that the ATF uses classifies that as a machine gun and depending on when you took possession the auto sear must be registered as a machine gun. All of that is posted on the thread.  I posted the definition and Skans posted the registration part.

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https://www.ffl123.com/drop-in-auto-sear-dias/
nobody if gonna arrest you for carrying around this piece of metal dude lol. come on. lets have common sense here. it is not, by itself, a machine gun
 

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supraTruth » 25 Jun 2022, 10:35 am » wrote: YOUR MOM FARTED OUT A 🐖TURD.

Gosh...that was funny.   :rolleyes:  

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supraTruth » 25 Jun 2022, 10:31 am » wrote: SAYS A **** 🐖TURD WHO SUPPORTS A WIDE *** 🍊🐖 WITH A BAD LISP WHO HAS MADE NO BONES ABOUT WANTING ABSOLUTE POWER FOR LIFE!
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Skans » 24 Jun 2022, 8:40 am » wrote: Question is, do any of you gun nuts know which gun this is for?  
That's beyond me for sure.

But I'll be happy to find out whenever you deem it properly to disclose that.

For whatever this is worth  . . . I admire you  . . .  and wish I had half of your knowledge of guns.

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supraTruth » 25 Jun 2022, 10:27 am » wrote: Marines taught me how to shoot.   But no need in civilized society that scum like u want to change into the WILD WILD WEST of ARMED BAD GUYS & idiots.
When cops and prosecutors refuse to destroy criminals, that's what we have the 2nd Amendment for - to do for ourselves what government can't or refuses to do.
 

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FOS » 25 Jun 2022, 10:40 am » wrote: dude...a gun part cannot be a machine gun,
 
It is a machine gun.  Like I said before, the term "machine gun" has no meaning outside of the legal definition given to it by the NFA.  All guns are machines.  The term "machine gun" is redundant and meaningless on its own.  The term "fully-automatic, on the other hand, at least has some intrinsic meaning when describing a particular kind of firearm.  All firearms are "machine guns".  A 600 Watt handheld laser would be an example of a lethal weapon, or possibly gun, that is not a "machine"; i.e. not mechanized.

i assume this has something to do with loading a round into the chamber.
Actually, that little piece of metal acts as a "trip" for the hammer when the bolt carrier reaches the point where the bolt has loaded and locked a round in the chamber, cycling the entire action again and again while the trigger remains depressed.

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