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Monderegal » 03 Aug 2022, 12:07 pm » wrote: There still is a lot of negative propaganda about the United States and the treatment of blacks historically. Many call it America's original sin to this day.
The problem is...it ain't propaganda.  It's history.  If it's negative, it's negative because the behavior of Americans and the US government was as negative as human behavior can get.  The origins of this country are all about the slavery of black people and the genocide of red people. And if you people are just so fragile that it's upsetting for you or for you children to learn about it...all of it...in their history classroom...well that's just too ****' bad.
 

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IkeBana » 04 Aug 2022, 8:32 am » wrote: If an undercover ATF agent attempted to coerce me into involving myself in the trafficking of illegal firearms, I would tell the undercover ATF agent to go take a flying ****...as would any other decent person with a **** conscience.
I never said Randy Weaver was an intelligent man, just a victim of entrapment.
 

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ConsRule » 01 Aug 2022, 4:41 pm » wrote: NONE!

I can admire and appreciate some of their accomplishments, and in some cases the bravery involved, but I don't know the real person...what they were like in private, how they treated others, etc.
You know it all about Trump.  We've got forty years of his sociopathic grifting right out in the open.  He's tried his best to obscure his multiple bankruptcies, his fraudulent cooking the books to show more assets when he needed bank loans and at the same time his fraudulent under reporting of income when filing his income tax returns.  You know what Trump is like in private life.  You know how he treated his women.  Did he ever have a wife he didn't cheat on?  Nope.

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Xavier_Onassis » 04 Aug 2022, 8:37 am » wrote: Why was he so stupid as to knowingly break the law?
Innocent people don't get entrapped.
Everyone knows that sawed off shotguns are illegal.

He shot at the FBI guys.  The FBI guys were rather incompetent.

He served under two years in prison and his family was awarded over $3,000,000.
He is not in anyway admirable.]
At most, he was a nut.
Some folks ain’t the brightest, that in of itself isn’t a crime. A smarter man might have sold the ATF agent 2 shotguns and a hacksaw.

I never claimed I admired him, only that he was a victim of entrapment. Would he have broken the law if not coerced to do so by a federal agent?
 

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IkeBana » 04 Aug 2022, 8:57 am » wrote: The problem is...it ain't propaganda.  It's history.  If it's negative, it's negative because the behavior of Americans and the US government was as negative as human behavior can get.  The origins of this country are all about the slavery of black people and the genocide of red people. And if you people are just so fragile that it's upsetting for you or for you children to learn about it...all of it...in their history classroom...well that's just too ****' bad.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesig ... n-pictures
 

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Cedar » 04 Aug 2022, 9:01 am » wrote: I never said Randy Weaver was an intelligent man, just a victim of entrapment.
Intelligent people do not get entrapped. They refuse to make and sell sawed off shotguns.
The FBI handled the Weaver situation poorly and the government had to pay millions as a result.
The Branch Davidian  thing in was even more poorly handled, with more innocent people killed due to incompetence.

Buy the FBI has learned quite a bit.  The Elián González thing was handled very smoothly and no one was harmed.

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IkeBana » 04 Aug 2022, 9:07 am » wrote: You know it all about Trump.  We've got forty years of his sociopathic grifting right out in the open.  He's tried his best to obscure his multiple bankruptcies, his fraudulent cooking the books to show more assets when he needed bank loans and at the same time his fraudulent under reporting of income when filing his income tax returns.  You know what Trump is like in private life.  You know how he treated his women.  Did he ever have a wife he didn't cheat on?  Nope.
Your point?  In case you missed it, my answer was "NONE!"

Learn to read, dick nose.

 

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ConsRule » 04 Aug 2022, 9:20 am » wrote: Your point?  In case you missed it, my answer was "NONE!"

Learn to read, dick nose.
What was you point in posting this?
Just so you could call him "dick nose"?

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Ike Bana » 04 Aug 2022, 8:57 am » wrote: The problem is...it ain't propaganda.  It's history.  If it's negative, it's negative because the behavior of Americans and the US government was as negative as human behavior can get.  The origins of this country are all about the slavery of black people and the genocide of red people. And if you people are just so fragile that it's upsetting for you or for you children to learn about it...all of it...in their history classroom...well that's just too ****' bad.
 
You have the mind of a pet rock because of your brain as a specific individual occupying space now doesn't navigate real time socially.

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You have the mind of a pet rock because of your brain as a specific individual occupying space now doesn't navigate real time socially.
What utter gibberish!  WTF is "navigating real time socially"?

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Xavier_Onassis » 04 Aug 2022, 9:37 am » wrote: You have the mind of a pet rock because of your brain as a specific individual occupying space now doesn't navigate real time socially.
What utter gibberish!  WTF is "navigating real time socially"?
Saving humanity's soul purpose organizing doubt ancestrally forward as usual training each arriving great great grandchild conceived to replace the 30 lifetimes of their previous 4 generations.

every lifetime born is a half life continuation of their made to appear as one of a kind mutually evolving in plain sight next ancestor of specific ancestry added so far.

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omh » 04 Aug 2022, 9:44 am » wrote: Saving humanity's soul purpose organizing doubt ancestrally forward as usual training each arriving great great grandchild conceived to replace the 30 lifetimes of their previous 4 generations.
You think you are SAVING SOULS?  REALLY?  

every lifetime born is a half life continuation of their made to appear as one of a kind mutually evolving in plain sight next ancestor of specific ancestry added so far.
All you are doing here is defining gibberish as even less comprehensible gibberish.
It's all about magnetic kinetic ancestry, isn't it?

 
 

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why yes it is when you put it all back together after the history of humanity dissecting it with hyperbole throughout history of ancestral progression limited to genetics eternally separates the numbers currently alive as a whole food chain.

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Xavier_Onassis » 04 Aug 2022, 9:13 am » wrote: Intelligent people do not get entrapped. They refuse to make and sell sawed off shotguns.
The FBI handled the Weaver situation poorly and the government had to pay millions as a result.
The Branch Davidian  thing in was even more poorly handled, with more innocent people killed due to incompetence.

Buy the FBI has learned quite a bit.  The Elián González thing was handled very smoothly and no one was harmed.
Stupidity isn’t a crime.
 

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Cedar » 04 Aug 2022, 10:14 am » wrote: Stupidity isn’t a crime.
Stupidity causes ignorance.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Are you smart enough to believe that you could sell a sawed off shotgun to some random guy and get away with it?
I think that there is no real change that Weaver did not know that selling such a weapon was clearly illegal.

What does one need to possess a sawed off shotgun?\
A normal shotgun and a sawzall comes to mind.

 

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Cedar » 04 Aug 2022, 10:14 am » wrote: Stupidity isn’t a crime.
 
It is self destructive same as ignoring the kinetics of proportionately alive.

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Xavier_Onassis » 04 Aug 2022, 10:28 am » wrote: Stupidity causes ignorance.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Are you smart enough to believe that you could sell a sawed off shotgun to some random guy and get away with it?
I think that there is no real change that Weaver did not know that selling such a weapon was clearly illegal.

What does one need to possess a sawed off shotgun?\
A normal shotgun and a sawzall comes to mind.
Would he have sold a saw off shotgun if the government didn’t ask him to?
 

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Cedar » 04 Aug 2022, 10:31 am » wrote: Would he have sold a saw off shotgun if the government didn’t ask him to?
Have you ever sold anything to someone who failed to express an interest to buy it?
I visit a lot of yard sales. Occasionally I see something I could use and ask for the price. Sometimes they say, no, that is my phone, my packing tape, my shelf, it is not for sale.
But as a rule, for me to buy anything, I HAVE to express that I want to buy it.

Can you quote for me a dialogue between Randy Weaver and a prospective buyer that would not involve said buyer expressing an interest in buying it?

Weaver, of course, was not aware that the buyer was employed by the government. But I am sure that the buyer expressed an interest in buying.
But so what?  How do you think they catch heroin and oxycontin  and fentynol sellers?


 

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Xavier_Onassis » 04 Aug 2022, 8:28 am » wrote: I clearly DO know the story around this, and better than you do.
Randy Weaver shot at Federal officers, that is clearly what got him shot.
He was peddling illegally altered military weapons. He refused to obey the officers of the law.
dude you are totally wrong


you dont know **** about the story.

the first people to shoot were the feds, cause the dog barked at them, so they killed it. Randy weavers son then shot at them...who had no reason to think anything but that this was a home invasion. that was the start of hostilities.

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Xavier_Onassis » 04 Aug 2022, 9:29 am » wrote: What was you point in posting this?
Just so you could call him "dick nose"?
Maybe...that information is given out on a need to know basis, and you don't.

Move along...
 

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