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Xavier_Onassis » 22 Sep 2022, 9:41 am » wrote: If this were true, then he could not be indicted.
It is deliberate misrepresentation of assets.
He was not selling property, so it has nothing to do with "salesmenship".
He is GUILTY and will have to pay a huge fine and will be banned from doing business.
When you are asked to declare the value of a real estate property..especially a property that doesn't have any others to compare to...the figure is purely an opinion.

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Neo » 22 Sep 2022, 9:45 am » wrote: He employed an army of lawyers who made sure he complied with the law. Obviously the bare minimum, just as many businesses. Trump is a figurehead, doubt he will ever be held personally liable. But hey, he's your great orange whale, enjoy the chase! I am sure ya got him this time!
Trump is the boss, he signed off on every deal his lawyers agreed to.
He hired lawyers to help him break the laws without being caught, don't be an ***.
Trump has no respect for the laws, the Constitution, our country or even saps like you.

 

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Xavier_Onassis » 22 Sep 2022, 11:33 am » wrote: Trump is the boss, he signed off on every deal his lawyers agreed to.
He hired lawyers to help him break the laws without being caught, don't be an ***.
Trump has no respect for the laws, the Constitution, our country or even saps like you.
Like any other ruthless businessman he follows the laws as minimally as possible. Scummy? Sure. The man is a life long democrat tabloid celebrity. He paid knowledgeable lawyers and accountants, not one of them black, millions of dollars to ensure the law was followed. 
 

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GHETTOBLASTER » 22 Sep 2022, 11:12 am » wrote: When you are asked to declare the value of a real estate property..especially a property that doesn't have any others to compare to...the figure is purely an opinion.
They seem to mistake this common practice as fraud. The entire commercial real estate industry is fraud by their mistaken understanding. 
 

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GHETTOBLASTER » 22 Sep 2022, 11:12 am » wrote: When you are asked to declare the value of a real estate property..especially a property that doesn't have any others to compare to...the figure is purely an opinion.
Appraisals don't always need comps to establish value, there are other items that can do that; eg. year built, square footage, style of bldg, etc. etc. I know as I was a loan officer for eight years and ordered many appraisals.
This is clearly Trump deceiving, by over valueing his properties, it is clear what his intent was!
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nuckinfutz » 22 Sep 2022, 11:43 am » wrote: Appraisals don't always need comps to establish value, there are other items that can do that; eg. year built, square footage, style of bldg, etc. etc. I know as I was a loan officer for eight years and ordered many appraisals.
This is clearly Trump deceiving, by over valueing his properties, it is clear what his intent was!
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Sounds like you are a real expert here.
Tell us everything you know about Trump's property and what it is actually worth..... :rolleyes:  

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Whether one likes Trump or not, the kinds of banana republic government overreach that have been directed at Trump, his family and allies should scare the **** hell out of everybody. If not, then you are not a real American!!!

Can anyone name a single thing that has gone the right way since braindead biden was installed a POTUS?

Under Trump we had a stable and thriving economy and a secure border...

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Neo » 22 Sep 2022, 11:37 am » wrote: Like any other ruthless businessman he follows the laws as minimally as possible. Scummy? Sure. The man is a life long democrat tabloid celebrity. He paid knowledgeable lawyers and accountants, not one of them black, millions of dollars to ensure the law was followed.
Yeah sure he did.
That's how he lost a billion on a wacko casino that everyone told him would fail.
That's how he had to pay $25 million to the poor saps he bilked with his fake "university".
Trump THINKS he is ruthless, but mostly, he is just stupid.
Why does he want to be president? Because he has figured out that a president can get away with anything.
And you pathetic saps continue to worship him

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GHETTOBLASTER » 22 Sep 2022, 11:56 am » wrote: Sounds like you are a real expert here.
Tell us everything you know about Trump's property and what it is actually worth..... Image
It is never acceptable for an owner to peg the value on his own property!!! IDIOT!  :lol:  

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nuckinfutz » 22 Sep 2022, 12:04 pm » wrote: It is never acceptable for an owner to peg the value on his own property!!! IDIOT!  Image
Sounds like you are a real expert here.
Tell us everything you know about Trump's property and what it is actually worth..... Image

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nuckinfutz » 22 Sep 2022, 11:43 am » wrote: Appraisals don't always need comps to establish value, there are other items that can do that; eg. year built, square footage, style of bldg, etc. etc. I know as I was a loan officer for eight years and ordered many appraisals.
This is clearly Trump deceiving, by over valueing his properties, it is clear what his intent was!
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You just contradicted yourself, numb nutz.  I worked in banking for 171/2 years and was a vice president and loan officer for 11 of those years.  Real estate loans (commercial or residential) were based on 80% or less of appraised value...appraised value by an independent certified appraiser, NOT what the borrower says or what the banker feels, ****!!!

Trump's valuing his properties on his F/S deceived NO ONE!!!

And his property valuations had NOTHING to do with his INCOME taxes.   If you were really a banker you would know that!!!

This is a purely another partisan attack on Trump by a *** ******* that barely passed her law examine and is known for wasting taxpayer money on frivolous lawsuits she never wins...this one is NO different.

 
 

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Buffalo » 22 Sep 2022, 12:25 pm » wrote: You just contradicted yourself, numb nutz.  I worked in banking for 171/2 years and was a vice president and loan officer for 11 of those years.  Real estate loans (commercial or residential) were based on 80% or less of appraised value...appraised value by an independent certified appraiser, NOT what the borrower says or what the banker feels, ****!!!

Trump's valuing his properties on his F/S deceived NO ONE!!!

And his property valuations had NOTHING to do with his INCOME taxes.   If you were really a banker you would know that!!!

This is a purely another partisan attack on Trump by a *** ******* that barely passed her law examine and is known for wasting taxpayer money on frivolous lawsuits she never wins...this one is NO different.
What did you do when obliging the borrower to personally guarantee the loan?


 

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Buffalo » 22 Sep 2022, 12:25 pm » wrote: You just contradicted yourself, numb nutz.  I worked in banking for 171/2 years and was a vice president and loan officer for 11 of those years.  Real estate loans (commercial or residential) were based on 80% or less of appraised value...appraised value by an independent certified appraiser, NOT what the borrower says or what the banker feels, ****!!!

Trump's valuing his properties on his F/S deceived NO ONE!!!

And his property valuations had NOTHING to do with his INCOME taxes.   If you were really a banker you would know that!!!

This is a purely another partisan attack on Trump by a *** ******* that barely passed her law examine and is known for wasting taxpayer money on frivolous lawsuits she never wins...this one is NO different.
that barely passed her law examine
why are these fluffers so inarticulate?

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IkeBana » 21 Sep 2022, 2:08 pm » wrote: New York sues Donald Trump, company and family members over widespread fraud claims, seeks at least $250 million in penalties

And when the civil jury finds for the plaintiffs, then comes the criminal indictments in New York.  Along with the criminal indictments in Georgia.  And finally the federal criminal indictments by the Department of Justice.
for violations of the Espionage Act, and for sedition and conspiracy to commit sedition.

Want to start rioting in the streets?  Go right tghe **** ahead, and see how that works out for you ****
“Trump falsely inflated his net worth by billions of dollars”- Leticia James
…..the sense of Thread Tom-Foolery is overwhelming.
​​​……when a claim is made for a loan for example, especially a very large loan……are there not investigations/inquiries?? If Trump’s claims were false, seemingly his transaction would be altered.
​​​​……taxpayer’s are getting screwed here….
……..
 

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Xavier_Onassis » 22 Sep 2022, 11:33 am » wrote: Trump is the boss, he signed off on every deal his lawyers agreed to.
He hired lawyers to help him break the laws without being caught, don't be an ***.
Trump has no respect for the laws, the Constitution, our country or even saps like you.

 
And you are convinced documents exist bearing his signature (and someone can produce them)?  My bet (figuratively) is you are...once again...making **** up.  Those types of documents (loan and tax) are typically signed by the CFO.

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ConsRule » 22 Sep 2022, 3:32 pm » wrote: And you are convinced documents exist bearing his signature (and someone can produce them)?  My bet (figuratively) is you are...once again...making **** up.  Those types of documents (loan and tax) are typically signed by the CFO.
There's no limit to your capacity for self debasement.

Grifty was obliged to sign for loans.

Full recourse. His net worth was the collateral.

Overvaluations flow directly to his equity.


 

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jefftec » 22 Sep 2022, 1:32 pm » wrote: “Trump falsely inflated his net worth by billions of dollars”- Leticia James
…..the sense of Thread Tom-Foolery is overwhelming.
​​​……when a claim is made for a loan for example, especially a very large loan……are there not investigations/inquiries?? If Trump’s claims were false, seemingly his transaction would be altered.
​​​​……taxpayer’s are getting screwed here….
……..
Because Grifty's credit profile was unacceptable to

Public credit markets

Private syndicated markets 

and

Commercial Banks

he was issued loans out of a more loosely supervised and regulated private bank group.

Nevertheless,  he was obliged to sign personal guarantees.

These are issued on the basis of collateral.
 

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Blackvegetable » 22 Sep 2022, 3:47 pm » wrote: There's no limit to your capacity for self debasement.

Grifty was obliged to sign for loans.

Full recourse. His net worth was the collateral.

Overvaluations flow directly to his equity.
You just mad that Trump has more than you do.
He always will.

 

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Blackvegetable » 22 Sep 2022, 3:51 pm » wrote: Because Grifty's credit profile was unacceptable to

Public credit markets

Private syndicated markets 

and

Commercial Banks

he was issued loans out of a more loosely supervised and regulated private bank group.

Nevertheless,  he was obliged to sign personal guarantees.

These are issued on the basis of collateral.
Tish Tish

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It's a consequence of losing nearly 1 billion of OPM.


You probably should have been a bit more diligent with your background check.
 

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