Are there any NHB members here still bothered by the inconsistencies of 911?

[Kobia2]

Kobia2 said:

Interesting. Is it possible that they only needed to implode a partial of the buildings? It's not like they needed to be concerned with safety.

              Respectfully, over the years, the number of theories has probably numbered into the thousands, and all this time it's been a circular debate of the inside job believer's demanding proof something couldn't or didn't happen, rather than their having to prove it actually did...  Again, I can't imagine how the logistics & work involved to cut & drill into concrete and steel structural supports to wire those buildings for a controlled implosion could have gone unnoticed..

             This is where I think a lot of the 911 inside job theorists & believers need to revisit the 1993 World Trade Center attack...  
The 1993 attack was committed by the same terrorist organization who attacked us on 911, Al Qaeda..  But the significance of 1993 is downplayed because the results didn't match the intent.. Remember, a large Truck Bomb was detonated in the basement of the North Tower with the goal of it collapsing into the South Tower bringing both down... This would have resulted in far more deaths than what we suffered at the WTC on 911, though there were a small number killed and over 1000 injured... 

             That is one difference between 1993 and 2001...  But I believe the main one is 1993 happened under Bill Clinton, and 2001 was the George W Bush administration... There were no cries of conspiracy that I recall in 1993 when Clinton was in office, and I think it would have played out the same had he been in when 911 occur..

[Majik]

Majik said:

Another observation about the pentagon plane (or lack thereof.). Did you notice that the lawn isn't scorched in front of the massive hole in the building? 

So, jet fuel can take down two monumental towers, but it isn't strong enough to burn blades of grass.

How about the grass not being scorched by the hot metal plane debris in the pics that the FBI Released.....
 

[Monderegal]

Monderegal said:

1. Yes, we know they were hit by planes. O'tay? We got that. Thanks for telling us the obvious. The point is that the buildings fell as if they were imploded by human ingenuity. Building 7 wasn't hit. One plane for each tower. No plane for building 7. 

2. As far as Rumsfiled claiming about the missing money, it's common knowledge. Google is your friend.

1. To sum up. The World Trade Center was engineered without the knowledge of the occupants for the two buildings to fall a certain way. Apparently the government cared how the towers fell and knew that the impact would cause an implosion and also wanted building 7 to fall. Somehow they bore holes into the steel beams and foundation to do this. Why? How? That's the two questions I would ask.
2. The 2.3 trillion dollar comment was out of context. The government appropriated the defense budget after 9/11, not before. Rumsfeld was talking about outdated technology in the Pentagon. The Pentagon "wastes" 2.3 trillion dollars in outdated technology. Not that the Pentagon is missing 2.3 trillion dollars. Here's the full comments from Rumsfeld you are referring to. He meant that 2.3 trillion can not be tracked technologically, not "missing".
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4816237/ ... r-pentagon

 

[Kobia2]

Kobia2 said:

Another observation about the pentagon plane (or lack thereof.). Did you notice that the lawn isn't scorched in front of the massive hole in the building? 

So, jet fuel can take down two monumental towers, but it isn't strong enough to burn blades of grass.

          There were numerous credible witnesses, including current & prior Pilots, as well as a Priest  who saw Flight 93, which they described as a Commercial Airliner strike the Pentagon.... 

​​​​​​​           Airplane wreckage from the Boeing 757 was found both inside and outside the Pentagon.. DNA was recovered which identified almost all the passengers, crew and terrorists onboard who were killed --- including that of well known Conservative Author Barbara Olsen.... 

           This is one source of many where you can see photo evidence.. There are many, but this one probably has the most pics.... You can also do a quick search on DNA recovered from passengers of those who were on Flight 77.. As I mentioned, I think that by DNA donated by family members, all but a handful of those onboard were identified.. 

          https://www.911research.wtc7.net/pentag ... index.html 
           

           

[Vegas]

Vegas said:

              Respectfully, over the years, the number of theories has probably numbered into the thousands, and all this time it's been a circular debate of the inside job believer's demanding proof something couldn't or didn't happen, rather than their having to prove it actually did...  Again, I can't imagine how the logistics & work involved to cut & drill into concrete and steel structural supports to wire those buildings for a controlled implosion could have gone unnoticed..

             This is where I think a lot of the 911 inside job theorists & believers need to revisit the 1993 World Trade Center attack...  
The 1993 attack was committed by the same terrorist organization who attacked us on 911, Al Qaeda..  But the significance of 1993 is downplayed because the results didn't match the intent.. Remember, a large Truck Bomb was detonated in the basement of the North Tower with the goal of it collapsing into the South Tower bringing both down... This would have resulted in far more deaths than what we suffered at the WTC on 911, though there were a small number killed and over 1000 injured... 

             That is one difference between 1993 and 2001...  But I believe the main one is 1993 happened under Bill Clinton, and 2001 was the George W Bush administration... There were no cries of conspiracy that I recall in 1993 when Clinton was in office, and I think it would have played out the same had he been in when 911 occur..

I understand that I am not a demolition expert or structural engineer. All I can offer is observations. I am having a hard time seeing how the buildings can fall so perfectly. Physics, left to its' own devices, isn't that pretty. Also, when the second plane hit, you may notice that it didn't hit the tower square on. It hit it more on the corner. Yet, it fell exactly the same way as the first. 

[Vegas]

Vegas said:

1. To sum up. The World Trade Center was engineered without the knowledge of the occupants for the two buildings to fall a certain way. Apparently the government cared how the towers fell and knew that the impact would cause an implosion and also wanted building 7 to fall. Somehow they bore holes into the steel beams and foundation to do this. Why? How? That's the two questions I would ask.
2. The 2.3 trillion dollar comment was out of context. The government appropriated the defense budget after 9/11, not before. Rumsfeld was talking about outdated technology in the Pentagon. The Pentagon "wastes" 2.3 trillion dollars in outdated technology. Not that the Pentagon is missing 2.3 trillion dollars. Here's the full comments from Rumsfeld you are referring to. He meant that 2.3 trillion can not be tracked technologically, not "missing".
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4816237/ ... r-pentagon

1. Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. 

2. My bad. 

[sooted up Cyndi]

sooted up Cyndi said:

1. Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. 

2. My bad.

I always luv your threads.. and polls.. You make this forum FUN!
Fun is good- once in awhile   Gives people a break! and takes them away -Vegas.  
 

[Vegas]

Vegas said:

I always luv your threads.. and polls.. You make this forum FUN!
Fun is good- once in awhile   Gives people a break! and takes them away -Vegas.

Awwww...thanks Cyndi. I am glad that you are back. You were gone for a few days. 

[sooted up Cyndi]

sooted up Cyndi said:

Awwww...thanks Cyndi. I am glad that you are back. You were gone for a few days.

yea- and i am still battling computers.. one day at a time! sweet jesus!  
 

[nuckin futz]

nuckin futz said:

yea- and i am still battling computers.. one day at a time! sweet jesus!

Tis better to battle computers than battle FAT GRANNY!    
I am at war with Google! I look for one thing and it give me pages of useless garbage and ads! And I hate that they track me all the time; it is stalking!        
@sooted up Cyndi  
 

[sooted up Cyndi]

sooted up Cyndi said:

Tis better to battle computers than battle FAT GRANNY!    
I am at war with Google! I look for one thing and it give me pages of useless garbage and ads! And I hate that they track me all the time; it is stalking!        
@sooted up Cyndi

 Google- They want me to sign up with them- NO way!!
I have no facebook- twit- or tik tok
No you tube either-- no way.. leave me alone? i just use it!!
everyone .... LEAVE ME ALONE! I want no part of this world! it sucks!!!!
 

[nuckin futz]

nuckin futz said:

 Google- They want me to sign up with them- NO way!!
I have no facebook- twit- or tik tok
No you tube either-- no way.. leave me alone? i just use it!!
everyone .... LEAVE ME ALONE! I want no part of this world! it sucks!!!!

Don't become a NIHILIST! Nihilists never have any fun!    
Beer maids have fun! Especially after the tavern shuts down! hee hee    
@sooted up Cyndi  
 

[sooted up Cyndi]

sooted up Cyndi said:

Don't become a NIHILIST! Nihilists never have any fun!    
Beer maids have fun! Especially after the tavern shuts down! hee hee    
@sooted up Cyndi

thats a man phrase- women can't be that?
 

[Cannonpointer]

Cannonpointer said:

Facts:
Planes hit the World Trade Center
A Plane hit the Pentagon
Covid is a Disease
There is a vaccine for it now
Masks prevent the spread of Covid
Trump lost the 2020 election the same way he won the 2016 election
Trump's supporters stormed the Capital Building
If you can't believe the sky is blue and it makes you angry than perhaps you're the one not being open minded.\
 This was a gift from Russia. It sits in New Jersey.

If I want your quality of talking points, dick sucker, I'll go to huff post.

I don't need to put up with **** breath, getting them from you. 

[FOS]

FOS said:

Interesting. I never saw this. So the FBI thought that they were funneling money to the Muslim extremists?

there relationship is unknown, according to the official story. But we do know these israelis lived in florida nearby the terrorists as they were taking flying lessons

[ScottMon]

ScottMon said:

5. A new elevator maintenance company was hired months before 9/11. They easily had access to the building's blueprints and structural network.

There's one conspiracy that has bugged me.  Bush was a business partner with the Bin Ladin family.  After 9/11, He gave permission for the Bin Ladin family to leave America while EVERY other place was grounded.   I wonder if Osama attacked because of his family's ties to the Bush family.
 

[Monderegal]

Monderegal said:

There's one conspiracy that has bugged me.  Bush was a business partner with the Bin Ladin family.  After 9/11, He gave permission for the Bin Ladin family to leave America while EVERY other place was grounded.   I wonder if Osama attacked because of his family's ties to the Bush family.

The bin Laden family patriarch Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden was a huge concrete tycoon in Saudi Arabia. He came from a poor background to one of the wealthiest men in Saudi Arabia. He even served the royal family and started a huge conglomerate. He had over 50 children (this is the Middle East) of which Osama was one. Osama got lost in Wabbism and moved to Afghanistan to fight for the Jihad cause and formed al Quada. So technical Bush might have dealt with the bin Laden family. That's as far as the ties between George W Bush and Osama bin Laden really go. Osama was able to fund the terrorist network through his financial ties but we're not talking about a huge force presence here. In other words, the bin Laden family is a very rich dynasty in Saudi Arabia and Osama was a black sheep of over 50 children. Most of the family was innocent and probably feared reprisals. 
 

[ROG62]

ROG62 said:

Yeah yeah yeah....you all will call me a conspiracy theorist, blah blah blah...and yes, I know it happened over two decades ago...blah blah blah...

To this I reply, I don't care. 

Below, I listed the things that still bother me. I have listened to the science on both sides, I have listened to the arguments on both sides. I am just not convinced that 19 rag heads could pull this off with box cutters. 

1. When you compare the twin towers falling next to past controlled demolitions, they fell the same. Straight down, as if the physics was controlled by human ingenuity. And yes, I have listened to all the experts about how it could be possible...but it's also not probable. Especially three buildings. 

2. Building 7 wasn't hit. 

3. On 9/10, Rumfield announced that 2.3 trillion dollars had gone missing. On 9/11, a plane crashed into the accounting side of the pentagon. 

4. It makes more sense that the plane going down in Pennsylvania was because the goat ropers probably didn't know how to fly the plane. Not because passengers rebelled. A rebellion makes for good emotionally charged narrative to get the public ready to support any counterattack from our government. 

5. A new elevator maintenance company was hired months before 9/11. They easily had access to the building's blueprints and structural network.

Nope...never did...
 

[Redheaded Stranger]

Redheaded Stranger said:

There's one conspiracy that has bugged me.  Bush was a business partner with the Bin Ladin family.  After 9/11, He gave permission for the Bin Ladin family to leave America while EVERY other place was grounded.   I wonder if Osama attacked because of his family's ties to the Bush family.

The planning for 9-11 started quite a while before the 2000 election. I remember reading that most of the hijackers were in the US for as long as 18-24 months prior to the attack. The ringleader, a guy named Atta I believe, was in the US as far back as early 1999 from what I can recall.

I remember reading that Osama was pretty much the black sheep of the Bin Ladin family, and most of the immediate family had actually already disowned him over his radical beliefs, prior to the attacks.

I also remember reading that Bush had allowed the Bin Ladins that were in the US to leave after the attack because they were afraid their lives might be in danger because of their relation to Osama.

I haven't read about the attack in years, but did in the immediate aftermath, as most everyone else.
 
 

[Monderegal]

Monderegal said:

The planning for 9-11 started quite a while before the 2000 election. I remember reading that most of the hijackers were in the US for as long as 18-24 months prior to the attack. The ringleader, a guy named Atta I believe, was in the US as far back as early 1999 from what I can recall.

I remember reading that Osama was pretty much the black sheep of the Bin Ladin family, and most of the immediate family had actually already disowned him over his radical beliefs, prior to the attacks.

I also remember reading that Bush had allowed the Bin Ladins that were in the US to leave after the attack because they were afraid their lives might be in danger because of their relation to Osama.

I haven't read about the attack in years, but did in the immediate aftermath, as most everyone else.

That's my understanding too. It isn't really recent news but I have a copy of the 9/11 commission report that was written after a lot of extremely pissed people wanted all the data that the government knew about this. It reveals some of the sources and methods that the CIA uses to gain intelligence and basically reads like this is all we know down to the very last detail. I also read "The Looming Tower: Al Qaeda and the Road to 9/11" which is a more recent book a few months ago which offers a much more detailed account of what happened with 9/11 from the very start of Islamic extremism as an Islamic movement.