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Kobia2 » 22 Jan 2023, 6:21 pm » wrote:        .. Regarding your first point of concern, you should research the enormous amount of logistical & preparatory work that goes into a controlled Demolition of large high rise buildings, particularly in a from the Top down implosion.... 

           Non-load bearing walls are removed to expose support columns, which are then weakened through drilling or sawing into such concrete or steel pillars.. The whole building would have loudly vibrated, as this is done on numerous floors of the building... This prep work would have gone on for 6 months or more --- AND DOUBLE ALL OF THIS MASSING PROJECT BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 2 OF THE WORLD'S TALLEST Bldgs, and a 3rd  of 47 floors.   There would have been mountains of this interior debris that would have needed to be removed.. There also would have been miles of wiring seen being laid & in plain sight for the explosive charges.. Keep in mind there were people working in those buildings 24/7, including professional security personnel, who would have noticed this massive undertaking --- which would not have remotely resembled routine elevator maintenance, so this new company having access to blueprints or knowledge of the Building's structural workings is irrelevant ... Where did this theory of the new elevator company originate?.. Who investigated this, and what evidence did they discover that pointed to their potential involvement?  

             
You are looking at it the wrong way .....
The elevator company wasn't the only company doing routine maintenance  on the towers  prior to 9/11.
A fire suppression company 3 months prior was re-fire proofing all the structural steel support beams in both towers using a blow on fire retardant and as I have stated before HMX short for High Melting Explosive could have been mixed with the fire retardant and nobody would be the wiser.
and you don't need wires because HMX can be remote detonated and also all that was needed to pancake the towers using this method  was a top to bottom detonation which the squib's in all the videos of the collapse clearly show .....the collapse started at the top not at the bottom  of the tower and gravity and physics did the rest.
 

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Another observation about the pentagon plane (or lack thereof.). Did you notice that the lawn isn't scorched in front of the massive hole in the building? 

So, jet fuel can take down two monumental towers, but it isn't strong enough to burn blades of grass. 

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Vegas » 23 Jan 2023, 10:16 am » wrote: Interesting. Is it possible that they only needed to implode a partial of the buildings? It's not like they needed to be concerned with safety.
              Respectfully, over the years, the number of theories has probably numbered into the thousands, and all this time it's been a circular debate of the inside job believer's demanding proof something couldn't or didn't happen, rather than their having to prove it actually did...  Again, I can't imagine how the logistics & work involved to cut & drill into concrete and steel structural supports to wire those buildings for a controlled implosion could have gone unnoticed..

             This is where I think a lot of the 911 inside job theorists & believers need to revisit the 1993 World Trade Center attack...  
The 1993 attack was committed by the same terrorist organization who attacked us on 911, Al Qaeda..  But the significance of 1993 is downplayed because the results didn't match the intent.. Remember, a large Truck Bomb was detonated in the basement of the North Tower with the goal of it collapsing into the South Tower bringing both down... This would have resulted in far more deaths than what we suffered at the WTC on 911, though there were a small number killed and over 1000 injured... 

             That is one difference between 1993 and 2001...  But I believe the main one is 1993 happened under Bill Clinton, and 2001 was the George W Bush administration... There were no cries of conspiracy that I recall in 1993 when Clinton was in office, and I think it would have played out the same had he been in when 911 occur..

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Vegas » 23 Jan 2023, 1:58 pm » wrote: Another observation about the pentagon plane (or lack thereof.). Did you notice that the lawn isn't scorched in front of the massive hole in the building? 

So, jet fuel can take down two monumental towers, but it isn't strong enough to burn blades of grass.
How about the grass not being scorched by the hot metal plane debris in the pics that the FBI Released.....
 

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Vegas » 23 Jan 2023, 1:40 pm » wrote: 1. Yes, we know they were hit by planes. O'tay? We got that. Thanks for telling us the obvious. The point is that the buildings fell as if they were imploded by human ingenuity. Building 7 wasn't hit. One plane for each tower. No plane for building 7. 

2. As far as Rumsfiled claiming about the missing money, it's common knowledge. Google is your friend.
1. To sum up. The World Trade Center was engineered without the knowledge of the occupants for the two buildings to fall a certain way. Apparently the government cared how the towers fell and knew that the impact would cause an implosion and also wanted building 7 to fall. Somehow they bore holes into the steel beams and foundation to do this. Why? How? That's the two questions I would ask.
2. The 2.3 trillion dollar comment was out of context. The government appropriated the defense budget after 9/11, not before. Rumsfeld was talking about outdated technology in the Pentagon. The Pentagon "wastes" 2.3 trillion dollars in outdated technology. Not that the Pentagon is missing 2.3 trillion dollars. Here's the full comments from Rumsfeld you are referring to. He meant that 2.3 trillion can not be tracked technologically, not "missing".
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4816237/ ... r-pentagon

 

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Vegas » 23 Jan 2023, 1:58 pm » wrote: Another observation about the pentagon plane (or lack thereof.). Did you notice that the lawn isn't scorched in front of the massive hole in the building? 

So, jet fuel can take down two monumental towers, but it isn't strong enough to burn blades of grass.
          There were numerous credible witnesses, including current & prior Pilots, as well as a Priest  who saw Flight 93, which they described as a Commercial Airliner strike the Pentagon.... 

​​​​​​​           Airplane wreckage from the Boeing 757 was found both inside and outside the Pentagon.. DNA was recovered which identified almost all the passengers, crew and terrorists onboard who were killed --- including that of well known Conservative Author Barbara Olsen.... 

           This is one source of many where you can see photo evidence.. There are many, but this one probably has the most pics.... You can also do a quick search on DNA recovered from passengers of those who were on Flight 77.. As I mentioned, I think that by DNA donated by family members, all but a handful of those onboard were identified.. 

          https://www.911research.wtc7.net/pentag ... index.html 
           

           

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Kobia2 » 23 Jan 2023, 2:26 pm » wrote:               Respectfully, over the years, the number of theories has probably numbered into the thousands, and all this time it's been a circular debate of the inside job believer's demanding proof something couldn't or didn't happen, rather than their having to prove it actually did...  Again, I can't imagine how the logistics & work involved to cut & drill into concrete and steel structural supports to wire those buildings for a controlled implosion could have gone unnoticed..

             This is where I think a lot of the 911 inside job theorists & believers need to revisit the 1993 World Trade Center attack...  
The 1993 attack was committed by the same terrorist organization who attacked us on 911, Al Qaeda..  But the significance of 1993 is downplayed because the results didn't match the intent.. Remember, a large Truck Bomb was detonated in the basement of the North Tower with the goal of it collapsing into the South Tower bringing both down... This would have resulted in far more deaths than what we suffered at the WTC on 911, though there were a small number killed and over 1000 injured... 

             That is one difference between 1993 and 2001...  But I believe the main one is 1993 happened under Bill Clinton, and 2001 was the George W Bush administration... There were no cries of conspiracy that I recall in 1993 when Clinton was in office, and I think it would have played out the same had he been in when 911 occur..

I understand that I am not a demolition expert or structural engineer. All I can offer is observations. I am having a hard time seeing how the buildings can fall so perfectly. Physics, left to its' own devices, isn't that pretty. Also, when the second plane hit, you may notice that it didn't hit the tower square on. It hit it more on the corner. Yet, it fell exactly the same way as the first. 

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Monderegal » 23 Jan 2023, 2:47 pm » wrote: 1. To sum up. The World Trade Center was engineered without the knowledge of the occupants for the two buildings to fall a certain way. Apparently the government cared how the towers fell and knew that the impact would cause an implosion and also wanted building 7 to fall. Somehow they bore holes into the steel beams and foundation to do this. Why? How? That's the two questions I would ask.
2. The 2.3 trillion dollar comment was out of context. The government appropriated the defense budget after 9/11, not before. Rumsfeld was talking about outdated technology in the Pentagon. The Pentagon "wastes" 2.3 trillion dollars in outdated technology. Not that the Pentagon is missing 2.3 trillion dollars. Here's the full comments from Rumsfeld you are referring to. He meant that 2.3 trillion can not be tracked technologically, not "missing".
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4816237/ ... r-pentagon

1. Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. 

2. My bad. 

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Vegas » 23 Jan 2023, 3:03 pm » wrote: 1. Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. 

2. My bad.
I always luv your threads.. and polls.. You make this forum FUN!
Fun is good- once in awhile :wave:  Gives people a break! and takes them away -Vegas. :wave:  
 

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sootedupCyndi » 23 Jan 2023, 3:11 pm » wrote: I always luv your threads.. and polls.. You make this forum FUN!
Fun is good- once in awhile Image  Gives people a break! and takes them away -Vegas. Image

Awwww...thanks Cyndi. I am glad that you are back. You were gone for a few days. 

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Vegas » 23 Jan 2023, 3:24 pm » wrote: Awwww...thanks Cyndi. I am glad that you are back. You were gone for a few days.
yea- and i am still battling computers.. one day at a time! sweet jesus! :blush:  
 

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sootedupCyndi » 23 Jan 2023, 3:31 pm » wrote: yea- and i am still battling computers.. one day at a time! sweet jesus! Image
Tis better to battle computers than battle FAT GRANNY! :lol:   :lol:   :lol:
I am at war with Google! I look for one thing and it give me pages of useless garbage and ads! And I hate that they track me all the time; it is stalking! :twisted:   :twisted:   :twisted:   :twisted:  
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nuckinfutz » 23 Jan 2023, 3:48 pm » wrote: Tis better to battle computers than battle FAT GRANNY! Image   Image   Image
I am at war with Google! I look for one thing and it give me pages of useless garbage and ads! And I hate that they track me all the time; it is stalking! Image   Image   Image   Image  
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sootedupCyndi » 23 Jan 2023, 4:04 pm » wrote:  Google- They want me to sign up with them- NO way!!
I have no facebook- twit- or tik tok
No you tube either-- no way.. leave me alone? i just use it!!
everyone .... LEAVE ME ALONE! I want no part of this world! it sucks!!!!
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Beer maids have fun! Especially after the tavern shuts down! hee hee :lol:   :lol:  
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Monderegal » 23 Jan 2023, 12:49 pm » wrote: Facts:
Planes hit the World Trade Center
A Plane hit the Pentagon
Covid is a Disease
There is a vaccine for it now
Masks prevent the spread of Covid
Trump lost the 2020 election the same way he won the 2016 election
Trump's supporters stormed the Capital Building
If you can't believe the sky is blue and it makes you angry than perhaps you're the one not being open minded.\
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If I want your quality of talking points, dick sucker, I'll go to huff post.

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Vegas » 22 Jan 2023, 2:25 pm » wrote: Interesting. I never saw this. So the FBI thought that they were funneling money to the Muslim extremists?

there relationship is unknown, according to the official story. But we do know these israelis lived in florida nearby the terrorists as they were taking flying lessons

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Vegas » 22 Jan 2023, 1:36 pm » wrote:

5. A new elevator maintenance company was hired months before 9/11. They easily had access to the building's blueprints and structural network.
There's one conspiracy that has bugged me.  Bush was a business partner with the Bin Ladin family.  After 9/11, He gave permission for the Bin Ladin family to leave America while EVERY other place was grounded.   I wonder if Osama attacked because of his family's ties to the Bush family.
 

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ScottMon » 23 Jan 2023, 6:47 pm » wrote: There's one conspiracy that has bugged me.  Bush was a business partner with the Bin Ladin family.  After 9/11, He gave permission for the Bin Ladin family to leave America while EVERY other place was grounded.   I wonder if Osama attacked because of his family's ties to the Bush family.
The bin Laden family patriarch Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden was a huge concrete tycoon in Saudi Arabia. He came from a poor background to one of the wealthiest men in Saudi Arabia. He even served the royal family and started a huge conglomerate. He had over 50 children (this is the Middle East) of which Osama was one. Osama got lost in Wabbism and moved to Afghanistan to fight for the Jihad cause and formed al Quada. So technical Bush might have dealt with the bin Laden family. That's as far as the ties between George W Bush and Osama bin Laden really go. Osama was able to fund the terrorist network through his financial ties but we're not talking about a huge force presence here. In other words, the bin Laden family is a very rich dynasty in Saudi Arabia and Osama was a black sheep of over 50 children. Most of the family was innocent and probably feared reprisals. 
 
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Vegas » 22 Jan 2023, 1:36 pm » wrote: Yeah yeah yeah....you all will call me a conspiracy theorist, blah blah blah...and yes, I know it happened over two decades ago...blah blah blah...

To this I reply, I don't care. 

Below, I listed the things that still bother me. I have listened to the science on both sides, I have listened to the arguments on both sides. I am just not convinced that 19 rag heads could pull this off with box cutters. 

1. When you compare the twin towers falling next to past controlled demolitions, they fell the same. Straight down, as if the physics was controlled by human ingenuity. And yes, I have listened to all the experts about how it could be possible...but it's also not probable. Especially three buildings. 

2. Building 7 wasn't hit. 

3. On 9/10, Rumfield announced that 2.3 trillion dollars had gone missing. On 9/11, a plane crashed into the accounting side of the pentagon. 

4. It makes more sense that the plane going down in Pennsylvania was because the goat ropers probably didn't know how to fly the plane. Not because passengers rebelled. A rebellion makes for good emotionally charged narrative to get the public ready to support any counterattack from our government. 

5. A new elevator maintenance company was hired months before 9/11. They easily had access to the building's blueprints and structural network.
Nope...never did...