You are looking at it the wrong way .....Kobia2 » 22 Jan 2023, 6:21 pm » wrote: ↑ .. Regarding your first point of concern, you should research the enormous amount of logistical & preparatory work that goes into a controlled Demolition of large high rise buildings, particularly in a from the Top down implosion....
Non-load bearing walls are removed to expose support columns, which are then weakened through drilling or sawing into such concrete or steel pillars.. The whole building would have loudly vibrated, as this is done on numerous floors of the building... This prep work would have gone on for 6 months or more --- AND DOUBLE ALL OF THIS MASSING PROJECT BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 2 OF THE WORLD'S TALLEST Bldgs, and a 3rd of 47 floors. There would have been mountains of this interior debris that would have needed to be removed.. There also would have been miles of wiring seen being laid & in plain sight for the explosive charges.. Keep in mind there were people working in those buildings 24/7, including professional security personnel, who would have noticed this massive undertaking --- which would not have remotely resembled routine elevator maintenance, so this new company having access to blueprints or knowledge of the Building's structural workings is irrelevant ... Where did this theory of the new elevator company originate?.. Who investigated this, and what evidence did they discover that pointed to their potential involvement?
Respectfully, over the years, the number of theories has probably numbered into the thousands, and all this time it's been a circular debate of the inside job believer's demanding proof something couldn't or didn't happen, rather than their having to prove it actually did... Again, I can't imagine how the logistics & work involved to cut & drill into concrete and steel structural supports to wire those buildings for a controlled implosion could have gone unnoticed..Vegas » 23 Jan 2023, 10:16 am » wrote: ↑ Interesting. Is it possible that they only needed to implode a partial of the buildings? It's not like they needed to be concerned with safety.
How about the grass not being scorched by the hot metal plane debris in the pics that the FBI Released.....Vegas » 23 Jan 2023, 1:58 pm » wrote: ↑ Another observation about the pentagon plane (or lack thereof.). Did you notice that the lawn isn't scorched in front of the massive hole in the building?
So, jet fuel can take down two monumental towers, but it isn't strong enough to burn blades of grass.
1. To sum up. The World Trade Center was engineered without the knowledge of the occupants for the two buildings to fall a certain way. Apparently the government cared how the towers fell and knew that the impact would cause an implosion and also wanted building 7 to fall. Somehow they bore holes into the steel beams and foundation to do this. Why? How? That's the two questions I would ask.Vegas » 23 Jan 2023, 1:40 pm » wrote: ↑ 1. Yes, we know they were hit by planes. O'tay? We got that. Thanks for telling us the obvious. The point is that the buildings fell as if they were imploded by human ingenuity. Building 7 wasn't hit. One plane for each tower. No plane for building 7.
2. As far as Rumsfiled claiming about the missing money, it's common knowledge. Google is your friend.
There were numerous credible witnesses, including current & prior Pilots, as well as a Priest who saw Flight 93, which they described as a Commercial Airliner strike the Pentagon....Vegas » 23 Jan 2023, 1:58 pm » wrote: ↑ Another observation about the pentagon plane (or lack thereof.). Did you notice that the lawn isn't scorched in front of the massive hole in the building?
So, jet fuel can take down two monumental towers, but it isn't strong enough to burn blades of grass.
Kobia2 » 23 Jan 2023, 2:26 pm » wrote: ↑ Respectfully, over the years, the number of theories has probably numbered into the thousands, and all this time it's been a circular debate of the inside job believer's demanding proof something couldn't or didn't happen, rather than their having to prove it actually did... Again, I can't imagine how the logistics & work involved to cut & drill into concrete and steel structural supports to wire those buildings for a controlled implosion could have gone unnoticed..
This is where I think a lot of the 911 inside job theorists & believers need to revisit the 1993 World Trade Center attack...
The 1993 attack was committed by the same terrorist organization who attacked us on 911, Al Qaeda.. But the significance of 1993 is downplayed because the results didn't match the intent.. Remember, a large Truck Bomb was detonated in the basement of the North Tower with the goal of it collapsing into the South Tower bringing both down... This would have resulted in far more deaths than what we suffered at the WTC on 911, though there were a small number killed and over 1000 injured...
That is one difference between 1993 and 2001... But I believe the main one is 1993 happened under Bill Clinton, and 2001 was the George W Bush administration... There were no cries of conspiracy that I recall in 1993 when Clinton was in office, and I think it would have played out the same had he been in when 911 occur..
Monderegal » 23 Jan 2023, 2:47 pm » wrote: ↑ 1. To sum up. The World Trade Center was engineered without the knowledge of the occupants for the two buildings to fall a certain way. Apparently the government cared how the towers fell and knew that the impact would cause an implosion and also wanted building 7 to fall. Somehow they bore holes into the steel beams and foundation to do this. Why? How? That's the two questions I would ask.
2. The 2.3 trillion dollar comment was out of context. The government appropriated the defense budget after 9/11, not before. Rumsfeld was talking about outdated technology in the Pentagon. The Pentagon "wastes" 2.3 trillion dollars in outdated technology. Not that the Pentagon is missing 2.3 trillion dollars. Here's the full comments from Rumsfeld you are referring to. He meant that 2.3 trillion can not be tracked technologically, not "missing".
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4816237/ ... r-pentagon
I always luv your threads.. and polls.. You make this forum FUN!
sootedupCyndi » 23 Jan 2023, 3:11 pm » wrote: ↑ I always luv your threads.. and polls.. You make this forum FUN!
Fun is good- once in awhileGives people a break! and takes them away -Vegas.
yea- and i am still battling computers.. one day at a time! sweet jesus!Vegas » 23 Jan 2023, 3:24 pm » wrote: ↑ Awwww...thanks Cyndi. I am glad that you are back. You were gone for a few days.
Tis better to battle computers than battle FAT GRANNY!sootedupCyndi » 23 Jan 2023, 3:31 pm » wrote: ↑ yea- and i am still battling computers.. one day at a time! sweet jesus!
Google- They want me to sign up with them- NO way!!nuckinfutz » 23 Jan 2023, 3:48 pm » wrote: ↑ Tis better to battle computers than battle FAT GRANNY!![]()
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I am at war with Google! I look for one thing and it give me pages of useless garbage and ads! And I hate that they track me all the time; it is stalking!![]()
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@sooted up Cyndi
Don't become a NIHILIST! Nihilists never have any fun!sootedupCyndi » 23 Jan 2023, 4:04 pm » wrote: ↑ Google- They want me to sign up with them- NO way!!
I have no facebook- twit- or tik tok
No you tube either-- no way.. leave me alone? i just use it!!
everyone .... LEAVE ME ALONE! I want no part of this world! it sucks!!!!
thats a man phrase- women can't be that?nuckinfutz » 23 Jan 2023, 4:12 pm » wrote: ↑ Don't become a NIHILIST! Nihilists never have any fun!![]()
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Beer maids have fun! Especially after the tavern shuts down! hee hee![]()
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@sooted up Cyndi
If I want your quality of talking points, dick sucker, I'll go to huff post.Monderegal » 23 Jan 2023, 12:49 pm » wrote: ↑ Facts:
Planes hit the World Trade Center
A Plane hit the Pentagon
Covid is a Disease
There is a vaccine for it now
Masks prevent the spread of Covid
Trump lost the 2020 election the same way he won the 2016 election
Trump's supporters stormed the Capital Building
If you can't believe the sky is blue and it makes you angry than perhaps you're the one not being open minded.\
This was a gift from Russia. It sits in New Jersey.
Vegas » 22 Jan 2023, 2:25 pm » wrote: ↑ Interesting. I never saw this. So the FBI thought that they were funneling money to the Muslim extremists?
There's one conspiracy that has bugged me. Bush was a business partner with the Bin Ladin family. After 9/11, He gave permission for the Bin Ladin family to leave America while EVERY other place was grounded. I wonder if Osama attacked because of his family's ties to the Bush family.Vegas » 22 Jan 2023, 1:36 pm » wrote: ↑
5. A new elevator maintenance company was hired months before 9/11. They easily had access to the building's blueprints and structural network.
The bin Laden family patriarch Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden was a huge concrete tycoon in Saudi Arabia. He came from a poor background to one of the wealthiest men in Saudi Arabia. He even served the royal family and started a huge conglomerate. He had over 50 children (this is the Middle East) of which Osama was one. Osama got lost in Wabbism and moved to Afghanistan to fight for the Jihad cause and formed al Quada. So technical Bush might have dealt with the bin Laden family. That's as far as the ties between George W Bush and Osama bin Laden really go. Osama was able to fund the terrorist network through his financial ties but we're not talking about a huge force presence here. In other words, the bin Laden family is a very rich dynasty in Saudi Arabia and Osama was a black sheep of over 50 children. Most of the family was innocent and probably feared reprisals.ScottMon » 23 Jan 2023, 6:47 pm » wrote: ↑ There's one conspiracy that has bugged me. Bush was a business partner with the Bin Ladin family. After 9/11, He gave permission for the Bin Ladin family to leave America while EVERY other place was grounded. I wonder if Osama attacked because of his family's ties to the Bush family.
Nope...never did...Vegas » 22 Jan 2023, 1:36 pm » wrote: ↑ Yeah yeah yeah....you all will call me a conspiracy theorist, blah blah blah...and yes, I know it happened over two decades ago...blah blah blah...
To this I reply, I don't care.
Below, I listed the things that still bother me. I have listened to the science on both sides, I have listened to the arguments on both sides. I am just not convinced that 19 rag heads could pull this off with box cutters.
1. When you compare the twin towers falling next to past controlled demolitions, they fell the same. Straight down, as if the physics was controlled by human ingenuity. And yes, I have listened to all the experts about how it could be possible...but it's also not probable. Especially three buildings.
2. Building 7 wasn't hit.
3. On 9/10, Rumfield announced that 2.3 trillion dollars had gone missing. On 9/11, a plane crashed into the accounting side of the pentagon.
4. It makes more sense that the plane going down in Pennsylvania was because the goat ropers probably didn't know how to fly the plane. Not because passengers rebelled. A rebellion makes for good emotionally charged narrative to get the public ready to support any counterattack from our government.
5. A new elevator maintenance company was hired months before 9/11. They easily had access to the building's blueprints and structural network.
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