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It's not uncommon to hear Americans say "I am just going with the guy that is the least evil." or "I went with Biden, because I wanted to vote against Trump." 
WTF? 
Why vote at all then? It's pointless if this is your reason to vote. 

I'll give a very simple question: Which of the following options would you choose? 

A. To drink a bottle full of cyanide. 
B. To drink a half bottle of cyanide that is still enough to kill you. 
C. To not drink any bottles of cyanide. 

Well, I don't know about anybody else, but I am going with C. 
 

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Your logic is not faulty it is non-existent.
Keep trying.

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Vegas » 25 Jan 2023, 10:00 am » wrote: It's not uncommon to hear Americans say "I am just going with the guy that is the least evil." or "I went with Biden, because I wanted to vote against Trump." 
WTF? 
Why vote at all then? It's pointless if this is your reason to vote. 

I'll give a very simple question: Which of the following options would you choose? 

A. To drink a bottle full of cyanide. 
B. To drink a half bottle of cyanide that is still enough to kill you. 
C. To not drink any bottles of cyanide. 

Well, I don't know about anybody else, but I am going with C.
Wow...

Another question. 

https://scri.siena.edu/us-presidents-study/
 

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The citizen has four choices in a Presidential election.
(1) vote for the Democrat
(2) vote for the Republican
(3) Vote for some loser party like the Libertarians or the Socialist Workers,or write in a vote for some personal hero.
(4) Not vote at all

Only the first two choices will result in the actual selection of a president. The other choices leave it to others to choose.

We COULD and SHOULD have rank choice voting, as this would tend to end the intense polarization that we now have.
Vega is a dolt and incapable of rational thought.

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Vegas » 25 Jan 2023, 10:00 am » wrote: It's not uncommon to hear Americans say "I am just going with the guy that is the least evil." or "I went with Biden, because I wanted to vote against Trump." 
WTF? 
Why vote at all then? It's pointless if this is your reason to vote. 

I'll give a very simple question: Which of the following options would you choose? 

A. To drink a bottle full of cyanide. 
B. To drink a half bottle of cyanide that is still enough to kill you. 
C. To not drink any bottles of cyanide. 

Well, I don't know about anybody else, but I am going with C. 
 
A. to belong in ideologies promising now isn't eternity
B. to believe intellectual life is immortal
C. to understand why instinctives never communicate beyond body language of acting and reacting to social conditions of the moment never the same again.
D. to become a perfect citizen of a reality that never delivers honest explanations of anything kinetically evolving in real time.

Which is the lesser of evil live?

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Xavier_Onassis » 25 Jan 2023, 10:22 am » wrote: The citizen has four choices in a Presidential election.
(1) vote for the Democrat
(2) vote for the Republican
(3) Vote for some loser party like the Libertarians or the Socialist Workers,or write in a vote for some personal hero.
(4) Not vote at all

Only the first two choices will result in the actual selection of a president. The other choices leave it to others to choose.

We COULD and SHOULD have rank choice voting, as this would tend to end the intense polarization that we now have.
Vega is a dolt and incapable of rational thought.
You really are clueless, aren't you?

First, you didn't answer the question, nor do I expect you too. 
Second, voting isn't a right. You aren't going to see it in the constitution. It's a privilege. 
Third, nobody is required to vote. It's not mandatory, *******. How do you not know that? 
Fourth, there is no way that you can logical claim that voting for the least evil is patriotic, when it is still evil. 

I have just nuked you. Beginning now, you will be emitting gamma, neutron, and ionizing radiation, from your person, for the rest of your life. 

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Xavier_Onassis » 25 Jan 2023, 10:22 am » wrote: The citizen has four choices in a Presidential election.
(1) vote for the Democrat
(2) vote for the Republican
(3) Vote for some loser party like the Libertarians or the Socialist Workers,or write in a vote for some personal hero.
(4) Not vote at all

Only the first two choices will result in the actual selection of a president. The other choices leave it to others to choose.

We COULD and SHOULD have rank choice voting, as this would tend to end the intense polarization that we now have.
Vega is a dolt and incapable of rational thought.
Rank voting is probably the best hope out of this mess

that and public financing of all campaigns  , but that’s never gonna happen 
 

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slideman » 25 Jan 2023, 10:05 am » wrote: Your logic is not faulty it is non-existent.
Keep trying.

You always say this when you got nothing. You project your stupidity onto your opponent. Every.single.time. 


I would explain why saying something is illogical, doesn't mean it is illogical. But that requires some brains on your part. So, it's pointless. 
 

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Xavier_Onassis » 25 Jan 2023, 10:22 am » wrote: The citizen has four choices in a Presidential election.
(1) vote for the Democrat
(2) vote for the Republican
(3) Vote for some loser party like the Libertarians or the Socialist Workers,or write in a vote for some personal hero.
(4) Not vote at all

Only the first two choices will result in the actual selection of a president. The other choices leave it to others to choose.

We COULD and SHOULD have rank choice voting, as this would tend to end the intense polarization that we now have.
Vega is a dolt and incapable of rational thought.
We have polarization because of ******* like you, until you're dead nothing can change it.

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Vegas » 25 Jan 2023, 10:00 am » wrote: It's not uncommon to hear Americans say "I am just going with the guy that is the least evil." or "I went with Biden, because I wanted to vote against Trump." 
WTF? 
Why vote at all then? It's pointless if this is your reason to vote. 

I'll give a very simple question: Which of the following options would you choose? 

A. To drink a bottle full of cyanide. 
B. To drink a half bottle of cyanide that is still enough to kill you. 
C. To not drink any bottles of cyanide. 

Well, I don't know about anybody else, but I am going with C.
Nothing like comparing grapes to pineapples.

As far as voting...most people realize and accept that one of the candidates from the two major parties is going to win.  In a state that is either deep red or deep blue, you "don't vote at all" makes a little more sense.  However, every vote cast for the "lesser of two evils" at least offsets a vote for the "greater of two evils". In my opinion, the proper question would be; Which do you choose?

A. Be beaten to death
B. Be beaten half to death
 

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ConsRule » 25 Jan 2023, 2:36 pm » wrote:

A. Be beaten to death
B. Be beaten half to death
Mine is better. When you are talking about voting for a president of one of the most powerful nations in the world, then their power is a little more than "half beaten to death" if they so choose to abuse that power. For example, let's take war. America loves war. Our government foams at the mouth for it. So, assume you know someone in our military who is close to you. Chances are that this person will be deployed somewhere after America decides to take over some country somewhere. Now, depending on who is in charge, we can have your soldier get blown up by a roadside bomb or shot in the head. Which would you like? The shot in the head is quick painless, but it is still enough to kill you. 

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Vegas » 25 Jan 2023, 10:40 am » wrote: You always say this when you got nothing. You project your stupidity onto your opponent. Every.single.time. 

I would explain why saying something is illogical, doesn't mean it is illogical. But that requires some brains on your part. So, it's pointless.
I didn't follow your logic either tbh.

I haven't seen a single person EVER to vote for in ANY election that wasn't flawed.
EVERY single vote I make is, at some level, voting against the other guy.

That said, there are times when both candidates are so **** bad, my vote could be considered a vote entirely against the more flawed *******.

As has been pointed out, there's never been a presidential race in my lifetime that a third party candidate has even the most remote chance of winning. THAT is a complete waste of time. Anyone that thinks seeing 2% of the vote pissed away is "sending a message" is delusional.
What counts is a W or an L.

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Vegas » 25 Jan 2023, 10:31 am » wrote:
Second, voting isn't a right. You aren't going to see it in the constitution. It's a privilege.
Wanna bet?

Article 1

Section 2.

The House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people of the several states,
(my addition...how exactly would the people chose if not by voting?)

Amendment XIX

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex. 

Amendment XXVI

Section 1.The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age.

Section 2.The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

 
 

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ConsRule » 25 Jan 2023, 5:20 pm » wrote:

Amendment XXVI

Section 1.The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age.


 
My bad. I guess I was looking at it before this amendment was ratified. 

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DeezerShoove » 25 Jan 2023, 5:11 pm » wrote:
That said, there are times when both candidates are so **** bad, my vote could be considered a vote entirely against the more flawed *******.


 
But where is the logic in this? You are still voting for someone who you believe will do more harm to our country than good. It makes no difference if the harm isn't going to be as much as the other guy. There is a third option: Don't vote at all. 

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Vegas » 25 Jan 2023, 6:43 pm » wrote: But where is the logic in this? You are still voting for someone who you believe will do more harm to our country than good. It makes no difference if the harm isn't going to be as much as the other guy. There is a third option: Don't vote at all.
And help the more evil guy?

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DeezerShoove » 25 Jan 2023, 8:09 pm » wrote: And help the more evil guy?

No. You aren't helping either of them if you don't vote. If they are both evil, why are you voting for either of them? 

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Vegas » 25 Jan 2023, 10:31 am » wrote: You really are clueless, aren't you?

First, you didn't answer the question, nor do I expect you too. 
Second, voting isn't a right. You aren't going to see it in the constitution. It's a privilege. 
Third, nobody is required to vote. It's not mandatory, *******. How do you not know that? 
Fourth, there is no way that you can logical claim that voting for the least evil is patriotic, when it is still evil. 

I have just nuked you. Beginning now, you will be emitting gamma, neutron, and ionizing radiation, from your person, for the rest of y
You Have nuked no one, you supercilious oaf.
But I have infected you with cybercooties because you are so utterly stupid and ignorant.
 

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Vegas » 25 Jan 2023, 6:43 pm » wrote: But where is the logic in this? You are still voting for someone who you believe will do more harm to our country than good. It makes no difference if the harm isn't going to be as much as the other guy. There is a third option: Don't vote at all.
it's to hopefully offset the other frigging idiots choice of worst choice.

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Vegas » 25 Jan 2023, 9:12 pm » wrote: No. You aren't helping either of them if you don't vote. If they are both evil, why are you voting for either of them?
One's less evil. I help where I can.

What good are you with the no voting stuff?
Explain the logic in living here and just watching while believing you are dying.