Arguing for the sake of...

[Skans]

Many 'soul mates' and 'twin flames' cannot be together.
It's a love/hate relationship, and they make each other crazy.
But, we are all still part of the ONE, and connected.
You can love someone, and not want anything to do with them.

In the here-after, perhaps.  But, not in the here and now.  There is a difference, and this is by design. While we are here, we are not a part of the ONE, as you call it.  We are separated from the ONE so that we may explore our own individuality.  So, embrace the here and now, the separation and your individuality for what it is, and stop living as if you were never given this opportunity.
 
 

[Nostradamus' omh]

Again, you are wrong.
Look inside yourself and try to find out the reason why you have to see me as your enemy.
I am not your enemy, and you are not my enemy.
We are all from the same Creator, and we are connected.
I love you.

when everyone is inaccurate about the whole evolving process, which side of alternate realities is correct about anything specific when all facts are composed from speculating what if nobody knew what isn't possible and what about anyone not complying with social consensus believing anything else is possible?

It is like comparing day and night thinking dawn and dusk work the same way when they are opposite results at the same time solstices and equinoxes work each side of the equator.

I watch so many people omit 99% of how event horizons when evolving works same way for each lifetime here as spontaneously one of a kind simultaneously arrived when conceived to replace their previous generations when becoming an adult and their previous generations die off.

[Annoyed Liberall]

does that mean I have to accept your crap  but you don't have to accept mine?

That's not at all what it means.
We still have free will.
We don't have to accept anything we don't want to accept.
But, we do need to keep in mind that we are all connected.
We also need to keep in mind that the things we don't like about another, are the things we don't like in ourselves.
It's like the cheating husband who is always accusing his wife of cheating.

[Annoyed Liberall]

In the here-after, perhaps.  But, not in the here and now.  There is a difference, and this is by design. While we are here, we are not a part of the ONE, as you call it.  We are separated from the ONE so that we may explore our own individuality.  So, embrace the here and now, the separation and your individuality for what it is, and stop living as if you were never given this opportunity.

I disagree.
We are never separated from the Creator.
You can explore your individuality, and still be connected to every other living thing.
You don't have to choose one or the other.
Also, this is a temporary existence. We are in each incarnation to learn karmic lessons from the last incarnation.
I am all about embracing the here and now. I make a conscious effort every day to live in the here and now.
To do anything else is only asking for suffering.
Are you familiar with Eckart Tolle? He has a fantastic book called The Power of Now.
It will change your life.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The modern understood definition of "meek" is easily imposed on and submissive.  The translation of the biblical verse should read "humble", not meek.  Meek is the wrong translation. And, the meek will inherit nothing.

If you really want to know the accurate translation, you need to know the word in Greek. I would not hurt to know what it is in Aramaic, either. Or you might check out translations more recent than the KJV.

 

[sunburn]

That's not at all what it means.
We still have free will.
We don't have to accept anything we don't want to accept.
But, we do need to keep in mind that we are all connected.
We also need to keep in mind that the things we don't like about another, are the things we don't like in ourselves.
It's like the cheating husband who is always accusing his wife of cheating.

how sweet?!

[Skans]

I disagree.
We are never separated from the Creator.
You can explore your individuality, and still be connected to every other living thing.
You don't have to choose one or the other.
Also, this is a temporary existence. We are in each incarnation to learn karmic lessons from the last incarnation.
I am all about embracing the here and now. I make a conscious effort every day to live in the here and now.
To do anything else is only asking for suffering.
Are you familiar with Eckart Tolle? He has a fantastic book called The Power of Now.
It will change your life.

I have not heard of Eckart Tolle.  But, I might have to check him out.  You and I are not far apart in what we believe. While, I'm not into karma and eastern religions, I clearly understand what you are saying.  The here and now - this world, is clearly different from the here-after. I believe it was designed that way.  We are separated from the Creator in the here and now. Or, mostly separated.  We are provided with a large degree of autonomy.  I presume so that we can individually see what we can do with our lives. Every action, every word, even every inaction is a choice, perhaps even a test, we are confronted with.

Do you like to listen to accounts of near-death experiences?  I do. I find these accounts fascinating.  Fascinating and with enough frequency and commonality for me to actually believe this realm is purposely designed different than the here-after.
 

[Annoyed Liberall]

I have not heard of Eckart Tolle.  But, I might have to check him out.  You and I are not far apart in what we believe. While, I'm not into karma and eastern religions, I clearly understand what you are saying.  The here and now - this world, is clearly different from the here-after. I believe it was designed that way.  We are separated from the Creator in the here and now. Or, mostly separated.  We are provided with a large degree of autonomy.  I presume so that we can individually see what we can do with our lives. Every action, every word, even every inaction is a choice, perhaps even a test, we are confronted with.

Do you like to listen to accounts of near-death experiences?  I do. I find these accounts fascinating.  Fascinating and with enough frequency and commonality for me to actually believe this realm is purposely designed different than the here-after.
 

No, we are not that far apart in our thinking.
I do like to read about those accounts.
We are on this planet in this time to keep evolving.
People misunderstand what karma means.
It's not about me doing something bad to you, and then someone does something equally bad to me.
Our karmic choices and actions will keep repeating until they get resolved.
Either in this life, or one that comes after.
If I was a rich person who treated poor people badly, I might choose to come back as a poor person to learn those lessons.
But, it's all based on love. Not punishment.
I believe that when we die we go to a place on the other side that matches our vibration.
A person with love in his heart will go to a loving place.
A person with hate will got to a hateful place, until he can learn and raise his vibration enough to move up.

[Nostradamus' omh]

In the here-after, perhaps.  But, not in the here and now.  There is a difference, and this is by design. While we are here, we are not a part of the ONE, as you call it.  We are separated from the ONE so that we may explore our own individuality.  So, embrace the here and now, the separation and your individuality for what it is, and stop living as if you were never given this opportunity.
 
 

One species different ancestral lineages due to geographical area evolved forward in since inception. each expanding wider until technology made it simple to travel the globe without walking everywhere.

Modern transportation moves person in one hour that would take 2 or 3 days to travel and that doesn't include air travel nor high speed rail. Talking motorized vehicles with 75 mph speed limits on paved roads, not dirt trails, no bridges, tunnels, etc.

Human intellect developed after birth and socially working cradle to grave corrupts homo sapien instincts since conceived to replace previous generation gaps.

You are the one that said by design from within the species.

[Skans]

No, we are not that far apart in our thinking.
I do like to read about those accounts.
We are on this planet in this time to keep evolving.
People misunderstand what karma means.
It's not about me doing something bad to you, and then someone does something equally bad to me.
Our karmic choices and actions will keep repeating until they get resolved.
Either in this life, or one that comes after.
If I was a rich person who treated poor people badly, I might choose to come back as a poor person to learn those lessons.
But, it's all based on love. Not punishment.
I believe that when we die we go to a place on the other side that matches our vibration.
A person with love in his heart will go to a loving place.
A person with hate will got to a hateful place, until he can learn and raise his vibration enough to move up.

Where does a person with curiosity in his heart go?  And, before Cannonpointer goes all gay-biker on me, I mean curiosity in terms of the true nature of this Universe and anything beyond it.
 

[GHETTO BLASTER]

I do know what is the truth, and so do you.

  Of course you do.

[Annoyed Liberall]

No, we are not that far apart in our thinking.
I do like to read about those accounts.
We are on this planet in this time to keep evolving.
People misunderstand what karma means.
It's not about me doing something bad to you, and then someone does something equally bad to me.
Our karmic choices and actions will keep repeating until they get resolved.
Either in this life, or one that comes after.
If I was a rich person who treated poor people badly, I might choose to come back as a poor person to learn those lessons.
But, it's all based on love. Not punishment.
I believe that when we die we go to a place on the other side that matches our vibration.
A person with love in his heart will go to a loving place.
A person with hate will got to a hateful place, until he can learn and raise his vibration enough to move up.

Where does a person with curiosity in his heart go?  And, before Cannonpointer goes all gay-biker on me, I mean curiosity in terms of the true nature of this Universe and anything beyond it.

Well, there are many books and teachers.
No one is an expert because it's not something that is quantifiable.
When I first started this journey, I asked my guides for the gift of discernment.
I have read and listened to countless people and schools of thought about this subject matter.
One thing that always stands out to me is the love and the energy.
Energy never dies. It just changed form. That is a verifiable fact.
We are energy. When we leave this body, we move on to another realm.
we have our life review and spend time figuring out what we learned, and what we still need to learn.
Then we can be a spirit guide for a time, or prepare ourselves for the next physical manifestation.
the concept of reincarnation is a constant around the globe.
Every culture has it.
God/Creator/Great Spirit/Allah/Buddha are all the same being by a different name.
Religion is a man made construct. Spirituality is from Source. We can be cut off from it, but it is always there for us to embrace it.
Meditation is step #1 always. Be still, and sit in your own energy.
Stop the mind. The ego is fear based. Our guides are always kind and loving. The ego wants to keep us scared and tied to the Earthly things like money, sex, and food. Once you can establish a good meditation practice, it all starts coming together.
You cannot lose anything real, and the only real thing is your soul. Physical possessions are not real. They only seem real. Eckart Tolle says that we are afraid of death because we see it as losing everything. But, truly, we are gaining everything. We will be fully awake. The trick is to die while you are still alive. To be free of fear is to live in the present.
“All negativity is caused by an accumulation of psychological time and denial of the present. Unease, anxiety, tension, stress, worry - all forms of fear - are caused by too much future, and
not enough presence. Guilt, regret, resentment, grievances, sadness, bitterness, and all forms
of nonforgiveness are caused by too much past, and not enough presence.”
― Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now: A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment

[Nostradamus' omh]

Well, there are many books and teachers.
No one is an expert because it's not something that is quantifiable.
When I first started this journey, I asked my guides for the gift of discernment.
I have read and listened to countless people and schools of thought about this subject matter.
One thing that always stands out to me is the love and the energy.
Energy never dies. It just changed form. That is a verifiable fact.
We are energy. When we leave this body, we move on to another realm.
we have our life review and spend time figuring out what we learned, and what we still need to learn.
Then we can be a spirit guide for a time, or prepare ourselves for the next physical manifestation.
the concept of reincarnation is a constant around the globe.
Every culture has it.
God/Creator/Great Spirit/Allah/Buddha are all the same being by a different name.
Religion is a man made construct. Spirituality is from Source. We can be cut off from it, but it is always there for us to embrace it.
Meditation is step #1 always. Be still, and sit in your own energy.
Stop the mind. The ego is fear based. Our guides are always kind and loving. The ego wants to keep us scared and tied to the Earthly things like money, sex, and food. Once you can establish a good meditation practice, it all starts coming together.
You cannot lose anything real, and the only real thing is your soul. Physical possessions are not real. They only seem real. Eckart Tolle says that we are afraid of death because we see it as losing everything. But, truly, we are gaining everything. We will be fully awake. The trick is to die while you are still alive. To be free of fear is to live in the present.
“All negativity is caused by an accumulation of psychological time and denial of the present. Unease, anxiety, tension, stress, worry - all forms of fear - are caused by too much future, and
not enough presence. Guilt, regret, resentment, grievances, sadness, bitterness, and all forms
of nonforgiveness are caused by too much past, and not enough presence.”
― Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now: A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment

Ever meet a sole survivor with being an expert with evolving between alternate realities all around worshipping concepts of parallel universes and endless possibilities tomorrow will be better than today on average?

You wouldn't know if you did or not debating anything else is possible if now wasn't an eternal point of ever changing total sum events present.

[Skans]

Well, there are many books and teachers.
No one is an expert because it's not something that is quantifiable.
When I first started this journey, I asked my guides for the gift of discernment.
I have read and listened to countless people and schools of thought about this subject matter.
One thing that always stands out to me is the love and the energy.
Energy never dies. It just changed form. That is a verifiable fact.
We are energy. When we leave this body, we move on to another realm.
we have our life review and spend time figuring out what we learned, and what we still need to learn.
Then we can be a spirit guide for a time, or prepare ourselves for the next physical manifestation.
the concept of reincarnation is a constant around the globe.
Every culture has it.
God/Creator/Great Spirit/Allah/Buddha are all the same being by a different name.
Religion is a man made construct. Spirituality is from Source. We can be cut off from it, but it is always there for us to embrace it.
Meditation is step #1 always. Be still, and sit in your own energy.
Stop the mind. The ego is fear based. Our guides are always kind and loving. The ego wants to keep us scared and tied to the Earthly things like money, sex, and food. Once you can establish a good meditation practice, it all starts coming together.
You cannot lose anything real, and the only real thing is your soul. Physical possessions are not real. They only seem real. Eckart Tolle says that we are afraid of death because we see it as losing everything. But, truly, we are gaining everything. We will be fully awake. The trick is to die while you are still alive. To be free of fear is to live in the present.
“All negativity is caused by an accumulation of psychological time and denial of the present. Unease, anxiety, tension, stress, worry - all forms of fear - are caused by too much future, and
not enough presence. Guilt, regret, resentment, grievances, sadness, bitterness, and all forms
of nonforgiveness are caused by too much past, and not enough presence.”
― Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now: A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment

When a person dies, energy is conserved in that none of the chemicals making up the physical body are lost.  They merely change form. You presume that there is an energy beyond that which is inherent in the atoms which make up our cells, organs and self. But, that energy cannot be measured or defined.  Some say it can be observed, i.e. that the sole is energy separate and apart from our atomic and chemical existence.  Liberal @Xavier_Onassis  would completely disagree with you. He would tell you that if it cannot be observed, measured and quantified, it does not exist.

To some extent, I would agree with Xavier.  There is complete conservation of energy going from life to death, without accounting for the soul.  The energy you discuss is immeasurable and not directly observable, and therefore, Xavier would say does not exist.

On the other hand, I have listened to a number of accounts of NDE's.  I tend to find many of them believable. I find none of them provable or measurable by any means, however.  And, I remain skeptical of the "conservation of energy" argument associated with souls.
 
 

[Annoyed Liberall]

When a person dies, energy is conserved in that none of the chemicals making up the physical body are lost.  They merely change form. You presume that there is an energy beyond that which is inherent in the atoms which make up our cells, organs and self. But, that energy cannot be measured or defined.  Some say it can be observed, i.e. that the sole is energy separate and apart from our atomic and chemical existence.  Liberal @Xavier_Onassis  would completely disagree with you. He would tell you that if it cannot be observed, measured and quantified, it does not exist.

To some extent, I would agree with Xavier.  There is complete conservation of energy going from life to death, without accounting for the soul.  The energy you discuss is immeasurable and not directly observable, and therefore, Xavier would say does not exist.

On the other hand, I have listened to a number of accounts of NDE's.  I tend to find many of them believable. I find none of them provable or measurable by any means, however.  And, I remain skeptical of the "conservation of energy" argument associated with souls.

The soul is separate and apart from the physical body.
It is pure energy.
No, it cannot be measured and observed. There is no arguing that point.
Some do believe it doesn't exist.
But, I know better.
I know it exists. I can feel mine.
I can see people's auric bodies.
I can see people's energy emanating from their bodies.
Can I prove it? No.
Can I prove that right at this very moment there is a spirit energy right behind my left shoulder? No, I cannot. But I know it's there. I feel it.
But, I am not the only one.
If you believe in Jesus, you are already on your way.
He is probably the most famous ascended master.

[Annoyed Liberall]

Ever meet a sole survivor with being an expert with evolving between alternate realities all around worshipping concepts of parallel universes and endless possibilities tomorrow will be better than today on average?

You wouldn't know if you did or not debating anything else is possible if now wasn't an eternal point of ever changing total sum events present.

You make no sense.
There is no such thing as a sole survivor, and there never will be.
Every drop of water on this planet has been here for billions of years.
It changes forms, but it never goes away.

[Skans]

The soul is separate and apart from the physical body.
It is pure energy.
No, it cannot be measured and observed. There is no arguing that point.
Some do believe it doesn't exist.
But, I know better.
I know it exists. I can feel mine.
I can see people's auric bodies.
I can see people's energy emanating from their bodies.
Can I prove it? No.
Can I prove that right at this very moment there is a spirit energy right behind my left shoulder? No, I cannot. But I know it's there. I feel it.
But, I am not the only one.
If you believe in Jesus, you are already on your way.
He is probably the most famous ascended master.

What I believe and what I can prove are two different things. Like you, I acknowledge this.

Assuming that there is a realm where our souls go after we die, then our ability to observe this in this realm is beyond our grasp.  Therefore, I do not believe that people can see spirits or auras.  Either they are observable or they are not.  I don't believe that it can be both (I can't prove this either).  Further, if spirits and souls exist, then then their nature and  essence is purposely kept from us here.  So, it is no use to try and interact with them in this realm.
 

[Nostradamus' omh]

You make no sense.
There is no such thing as a sole survivor, and there never will be.
Every drop of water on this planet has been here for billions of years.
It changes forms, but it never goes away.

Then you have a flaw in your intellectual common sense shared within a we believe mentality used for thousands of years people ignore how evolving actually happens in plain sight.

that isn't my fault but your refusing to accept personal responsibility to adapting as displaced genetics sustains eternal separation of your time being alive now.

Good luck with your imploding reality.

[Annoyed Liberall]

Good luck with your imploding reality.

Thank you for your well wishes.

[Nostradamus' omh]

Thank you for your well wishes.

your sarcasm registered along with your subtle attempt to caricaturize me as antisocial. I simple explain why every reality fails and you won't change your mind.