Hitler's Inner Circle of Evil

[Skans]

Skans said:

Is that one of Hitler's paintings? I admit that I am no art expert, but it is kind of gay. 

You definitely could be right. There is no real consensus as to where his hatred came from, but I am sure is from a lot of different things.

Yes, that is one of Hitler's paintings. Hate is rather personal, and it tends to come on fast and fester long, but usually it is a result of something that actually happens to an individual.  The reason I pinpoint Hitler's rejection (and probably ridicule) as a budding artist as his despise for the Jews is because he had no animosity toward Jews up to a certain time. 

Adolf did have personal and business relationships with Jews in Vienna and worked for a Jew. Interestingly, however, Hitler never really explains his failure as an artist.  Remember, this was a huge deal for him - after his mother died, he left his home to live among the artists of Vienna and attempt to get into art school. Adolf squandered his modest inheritance and was repeatedly rejected by other artists and the elite - in his autobiography he is silent about what really happened here.  However, I know that Viennese art at that time would have been full of artists who were jews - Jews who likely rejected him.  It was not until after WWI that Hitler first mentions anything about anti-Jew ideology.  To me, that indicates that it had to start well before WWI.

Sometimes you have to attack history from different contemporaneous angles and perspectives to get an idea of what really happened when its not plainly stated.
 

[Vegas]

Vegas said:

Yes, that is one of Hitler's paintings. Hate is rather personal, and it tends to come on fast and fester long, but usually it is a result of something that actually happens to an individual.  The reason I pinpoint Hitler's rejection (and probably ridicule) as a budding artist as his despise for the Jews is because he had no animosity toward Jews up to a certain time. 

Adolf did have personal and business relationships with Jews in Vienna and worked for a Jew. Interestingly, however, Hitler never really explains his failure as an artist.  Remember, this was a huge deal for him - after his mother died, he left his home to live among the artists of Vienna and attempt to get into art school. Adolf squandered his modest inheritance and was repeatedly rejected by other artists and the elite - in his autobiography he is silent about what really happened here.  However, I know that Viennese art at that time would have been full of artists who were jews - Jews who likely rejected him.  It was not until after WWI that Hitler first mentions anything about anti-Jew ideology.  To me, that indicates that it had to start well before WWI.

Sometimes you have to attack history from different contemporaneous angles and perspectives to get an idea of what really happened when its not plainly stated.

Well...that painting is gay. It doesn't look like he spent a lot of time on it. Was it color by number? If his work is similar, then I can see why he was rejected. 

[Skans]

Skans said:

Well...that painting is gay. It doesn't look like he spent a lot of time on it. Was it color by number? If his work is similar, then I can see why he was rejected.

There's no question he wasn't a very talented artist.  His paintings are what I could call "flat". Moreover, they were mostly landscapes at a time and place where serene landscapes were looked down upon.  He probably wasn't just "rejected" - he was probably ridiculed and cruelly rejected.  Just speculation on my part, however.
 
Take Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, for example.  What caused them to go on a murder rampage?  Eric Harris had a chest deformity, pectus ex cavatum:



Yeah, this guy was picked on in gym class - that's actually documented.  That kind of **** makes boys, young men want to kill. 
Klebod was painfully shy and had extreme anxiety around girls. People like that get picked on, called "***" - you know the drill. All it took was for these two guys who had fragile egos and who had been bullied, to work with each other to hatch a plan to murder as many of their classmates as they could.

[Vegas]

Vegas said:

There's no question he wasn't a very talented artist.  His paintings are what I could call "flat". Moreover, they were mostly landscapes at a time and place where serene landscapes were looked down upon.  He probably wasn't just "rejected" - he was probably ridiculed and cruelly rejected.  Just speculation on my part, however.

flat" Nahhhhh....they are past flat. They are gay. I mean, it's like Bud Light. I can't see a Bud Light can or advertisement without connecting it to trannies. 

[Skans]

Skans said:

flat" Nahhhhh....they are past flat. They are gay. I mean, it's like Bud Light. I can't see a Bud Light can or advertisement without connecting it to trannies.

LOL - ok, maybe that one was a bit "gay", with the castle and all.  But, here's another example.  It's just a landscape, I don't think it's gay, but it is flat.


 

[Vegas]

Vegas said:

LOL - ok, maybe that one was a bit "gay", with the castle and all.  But, here's another example.  It's just a landscape, I don't think it's gay, but it is flat.

Ehhhhhhh....nah. This one is gay also. It looks like he traced it from a picture. 

[Skans]

Skans said:

Ehhhhhhh....nah. This one is gay also. It looks like he traced it from a picture.

It does sort of look like that, doesn't it.  Hey, it's better than I can do.  I was a good doodler when I was bored in class, but my doodles look more like something from a horror movie.
 

[The 4th Reich]

The 4th Reich said: Great scene (no spoiler) from the Movie Look Who's Back.

The journalist, Sawatzki, discovers that Hitler is not a performance artist, but indeed, a time traveling Hitler.  Sawatzki confronts Hitler and holds him at gunpoint on a roof. 

The book's author, Timur Vermes, is no Hitler apologist, but he capture the reality of Germany at that time.  This is done in the attached scene. There's no discussion of the superfluous nonsense.  

I watched a 15 minute interview with Vermes.  He actually finds the humor in this, but the humor is not typical of funny Hitler movies.  


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ALTkMpPLuU


 

[The 4th Reich]

The 4th Reich said: Extra. The only fantasy/supernatural element in the movie is Hitler's time travel. Can you identify the other fantastic element in the above scene?

[nuckin futz]

nuckin futz said:

A few things about Hitler I will mention.  Generally speaking Hitler during his formative years was a day-dreamer, a wannabe artist who was rejected because he wasn't very talented.  He was also inspired by Nordic mythology - almost in a comic-book sense.  During that time, while he was trying to be an artist he even worked for a Jew, and as far as anyone can tell, they got along.

However, I suspect (but do not have much evidence of this) that Vienna's art scene was lousy with Jews, Jews who were intellectuals and who were more into modern art at the time.  He was rejected by these artists, 1) because Hitler did not care for modern art, 2) he was not much of an intellectual and 3) because truthfully, Hitler's paintings were mostly landscapes which were "flat", lacked any depth or interesting perspective (example below).  Honestly, even Bob Ross had quite a bit more talent for painting than poor Adolf.

This F-ed with Adolf's head.  He was out of his comfort zone living and working in Vienna and he was being ridiculed and rejected by those (probably Jews) which shot right to the core of his ego. 

Then there is Hitler's military service during WWI, and Hitler shined in his service in the German military. There he learned to despise Bolshevism, which had some connections with Jewish intellectuals.  Of course, Germany was thoroughly defeated in this war fell into years of despair. This is likely what began to solidify Hitler's hate of the Jews. 

That is my explanation for the "why".


 

Very good Scanz!
 

[MackTheFinger]

MackTheFinger said:

I have seen no evidence that Hitler hated jews.  

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I am reading My Struggle in the bathroom...I'll let you know if he ever says it.  Right now I am at the part where he left home over a battle with his father...because he didn't want Hman to be a painter; but go to a trade school.
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It is difficult to read because it is written in High German  but it is a shame...he was a brilliant man.
 

[Lincoln Nebraska]

Lincoln Nebraska said:

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I am reading My Struggle in the bathroom...I'll let you know if he ever says it.  Right now I am at the part where he left home over a battle with his father...because he didn't want Hman to be a painter; but go to a trade school.
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It is difficult to read because it is written in High German  but it is a shame...he was a brilliant man.

Cool.  I'd like to hear your impression of it.  

[MackTheFinger]

MackTheFinger said: (Third time I wrote this-my people [the JOOOs-must have a bug in here] since they are very shred)
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I started to read it before in (Old) High German but it was to difficult to understand. I would have to reread a sentence 2-3 times to understand it.
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Anyhow...where I am at he left home because him and his father fought a lot. His father wan'ted to go to trade school and Hman wanted to be a artist. He left home at a young age and went to Venia. So far he mentioned how the JOOOs contorted the art scene. He did not bad mouth him or anything like that.
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You can tell he is a brilliant man and every now and than he really shows it. But alot of it is rambling under the surface politics with shades of telling he is has obsession in his blood. It is like reading solo effect's (5th theory of kinetic energy in outer space) while you are high on PCP.
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I wouldn't recrement reading it. I am just doing so...so I can say I read it. I doubt I will get thru half of it without saying FTS !

I read Nakita Krushiv's biography when I was homeless. I use to sit at the trolley station for light. That was a bit hard to read but he was a very interesting man and he HATED STALIN with a passion.

[Lincoln Nebraska]

Lincoln Nebraska said:

(Third time I wrote this-my people [the JOOOs-must have a bug in here] since they are very shred)
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I started to read it before in (Old) High German but it was to difficult to understand. I would have to reread a sentence 2-3 times to understand it.
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Anyhow...where I am at he left home because him and his father fought a lot. His father wan'ted to go to trade school and Hman wanted to be a artist. He left home at a young age and went to Venia. So far he mentioned how the JOOOs contorted the art scene. He did not bad mouth him or anything like that.
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You can tell he is a brilliant man and every now and than he really shows it. But alot of it is rambling under the surface politics with shades of telling he is has obsession in his blood. It is like reading solo effect's (5th theory of kinetic energy in outer space) while you are high on PCP.
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I wouldn't recrement reading it. I am just doing so...so I can say I read it. I doubt I will get thru half of it without saying FTS !

I read Nakita Krushiv's biography when I was homeless. I use to sit at the trolley station for light. That was a bit hard to read but he was a very interesting man and he HATED STALIN with a passion.

I never read the Hitler.  If I did, I would prolly skim a lot.  

So do you think all the early stuff if all that important?  Sure, it gives you insight, but I think there's too much emphasis on it.  It's all this arm chair psychology.

I see Hitler in the context of his contemporaries: people who were tired of being **** on and then did something about it. 
 

[MackTheFinger]

MackTheFinger said:

I never read the Hitler.  If I did, I would prolly skim a lot.  
 

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I am more interested in him coming to power than the war years.
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So I'll probably just read up to there.  I think that is what the whole book is about but I you get my jist.
 

[Lincoln Nebraska]

Lincoln Nebraska said:

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I am more interested in him coming to power than the war years.
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So I'll probably just read up to there.  I think that is what the whole book is about but I you get my jist.

Oh, I gotcha.  I would read it to see who he thought really caused Germany to lose WW I.  I like to hear his details on that.

[MackTheFinger]

MackTheFinger said:

Oh, I gotcha.  I would read it to see who he thought really caused Germany to lose WW I.  I like to hear his details on that.

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I love throwing Hitler into a argument about how brilliant he was.
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Personally...I think he was the right man at the right time at the right place.
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It is just gibberish !  What gets me is how he got all those people to turn into devils !

 

[Lincoln Nebraska]

Lincoln Nebraska said:

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I love throwing Hitler into a argument about how brilliant he was.
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Personally...I think he was the right man at the right time at the right place.
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It is just gibberish !  What gets me is how he got all those people to turn into devils !

But were they really devils?  Could they all be devils?  Or, were they just tired of taking garbage from people making a mockery of their country?