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Posted by Bigsky
  57,706 12 Jan 2018, 10:33 pm

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Blackvegetable » 12 Jan 2018 9:26 pm wrote:

Let's first see if the claim makes sense...

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/om ... istoricals

Individual Income Tax Receipts

1981 - 285,917

1983 - 288,938

1989 - 445,690

2015 - 1,540,802

Net Interest (Approx 30 yr treasury rates)

1981 - 71,054 (12.11%)

1983 - 91,653 (11.75%)

1989 - 180,376 (8.9%)

2015 - 319,149 (2.4%)

Total Outlays

1981 - 404,941

1983 - 660,934

1989 - 932,832

2015 - 3,688,292

Since I went to the trouble to dig them up, why don't you begin the reading of them.....

either you have an opinion on the statement or you don't.....
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  12,750 12 Jan 2018, 10:34 pm

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Blackvegetable » 12 Jan 2018 9:29 pm wrote:
Huey » 12 Jan 2018 3:01 pm wrote:

Nothing says that you have to accept the tax cut. You take any money that is above what you are paying now, or that you think is more than someone in your bracket should pay and go to the treasury website and make a donation or gift to pay down the debt. Lead the way and put your money where your mouth is. It is time for all good progressives to lead by example.

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/res ... ebtFinance


But I'm not the one who keeps casting votes for POTUS who bequeath larger deficits to their successors than those they inherit....I cast 2 votes for the one who balanced the budget, and another two for the guy under whom we saw the lowest growth rate of spending under any POTUS since Eisenhower....

So, you pay your part of that bill, and pass the rest onto your fellow Deplorables


Irrelevant.

Are you or are you not giving your excess tax money to the the treasury? Either pay what you think you should pay or shut the fuck up, hypocrite.

Nobody asked whom you voted, moron.
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  11,947 12 Jan 2018, 10:47 pm

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Bigsky » 12 Jan 2018 9:33 pm wrote:
either you have an opinion on the statement or you don't.....


Given that you always object to what I have to tell you, I thought it reasonable (given that I had to dig up all the relevant facts) that you might take a bit of initiative....

I guess you wanted to save your breath for the bitching....


Looking at the numbers, the statement appears erroneous.....

There is also a degree of chutzpah on display here.....take a look at the aggressive acceleration in interest payments (even as borrowing costs decline) in the period 81 - 89, matching the aggressive acceleration in spending......but not quite compensated for by a commensurate increase in income tax collections...

This is particularly egregious when looking at the figures for interest, spending and revenues between 81-83....
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Huey » 12 Jan 2018 9:34 pm wrote:

Irrelevant.

Are you or are you not giving your excess tax money to the the treasury? Either pay what you think you should pay or shut the fuck up, hypocrite.

Nobody asked whom you voted, moron.


How the fuck is it "Irrelevant"?

I think you should pay for what you enable, Comatose Wee Person....then we can see what's left...
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Blackvegetable » 12 Jan 2018 9:29 pm wrote:
I cast 2 votes for the one who balanced the budget, and another two for the guy under whom we saw the lowest growth rate of spending under any POTUS since Eisenhower....


Clearly this wackjob lives on Planet Troll. :rofl: :rofl:

If Obama had "the lowest rate of spending...." how did he accumulate roughly $10 trillion in higher debt?

Now go ahead and babble stupidly.
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  12,750 12 Jan 2018, 11:14 pm

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Blackvegetable » 12 Jan 2018 9:49 pm wrote:
Huey » 12 Jan 2018 9:34 pm wrote:

Irrelevant.

Are you or are you not giving your excess tax money to the the treasury? Either pay what you think you should pay or shut the fuck up, hypocrite.

Nobody asked whom you voted, moron.


How the fuck is it "Irrelevant"?

I think you should pay for what you enable, Comatose Wee Person....then we can see what's left...


Gnome, don’t worry about what I pay. You are against tax cuts. Don’t be a mommas boy pussy your entire life. Lead by example pussy. Pay EXACTLY what you whine others should pay.

Or be a mealy mouthed Whiney pussy your entire life.
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  11,947 13 Jan 2018, 9:32 am

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Termin8tor » 12 Jan 2018 10:00 pm wrote:

Clearly this wackjob lives on Planet Troll. :rofl: :rofl:

If Obama had "the lowest rate of spending...." how did he accumulate roughly $10 trillion in higher debt?

Now go ahead and babble stupidly.


I'm just going to invite you to do the math....

Start with the FY 2009 outlays.....then take FY 2017 outlays...

Calculate the growth rate....

Simple...... straightforward......

Can you do it? Remember, it's a compounding issue....so we need a GEOMETRIC average.


Then we're gonna do the same for Supply Side Hucksters Scrub and Ronnie


Let's get started.
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Huey » 12 Jan 2018 10:14 pm wrote:

Gnome, don’t worry about what I pay. You are against tax cuts. Don’t be a mommas boy pussy your entire life. Lead by example pussy. Pay EXACTLY what you whine others should pay.

Or be a mealy mouthed Whiney pussy your entire life.


It's not about what you pay, Imbecile...


It's about the fiscal recklessness you have eagerly enabled.....clean up your mess, then we can decide who is responsible for the rest.
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  12,750 13 Jan 2018, 9:58 am

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Blackvegetable » 13 Jan 2018 8:34 am wrote:
Huey » 12 Jan 2018 10:14 pm wrote:

Gnome, don’t worry about what I pay. You are against tax cuts. Don’t be a mommas boy pussy your entire life. Lead by example pussy. Pay EXACTLY what you whine others should pay.

Or be a mealy mouthed Whiney pussy your entire life.


It's not about what you pay, Imbecile...

It's about the fiscal recklessness you have eagerly enabled.....clean up your mess, then we can decide who is responsible for the rest.


Just as I thought. The yard gnome has argued recently these tax cuts should not have passed. Yet he is unwilling to pay exactly what he thinks his bracket should be paying.
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  12,750 13 Jan 2018, 9:59 am

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Blackvegetable » 13 Jan 2018 8:34 am wrote:
Huey » 12 Jan 2018 10:14 pm wrote:

Gnome, don’t worry about what I pay. You are against tax cuts. Don’t be a mommas boy pussy your entire life. Lead by example pussy. Pay EXACTLY what you whine others should pay.

Or be a mealy mouthed Whiney pussy your entire life.


It's not about what you pay, Imbecile...

It's about the fiscal recklessness you have eagerly enabled.....clean up your mess, then we can decide who is responsible for the rest.


Either do it or stop lecturing us.

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Blackvegetable » 12 Jan 2018 9:37 am wrote:
The US has plenty of experience with irresponsible tax cuts. Yet its leaders seem not to have learned their lesson.

Far from pursuing careful deliberation and smart compromise, US Republicans today are pretending that the cuts for which they are striving will carry no costs. If they get their way, these self-professed fiscal conservatives will blow up the budget deficit, just as they did in 1981 under Reagan, and just as they did again in 2001 and 2003, thanks to the massive tax cuts enacted under President George W. Bush...

Of course, today’s Republicans do not admit that their plan isn’t revenue-neutral. Like their counterparts in 1981, not to mention during the Bush era, they claim that the cuts will stimulate the economy so much that overall tax receipts will stay the same or even rise. Yet such claims have been rejected by virtually all mainstream economists, including the economic advisers of both Reagan and Bush.
Those administrations implemented their cuts anyway – and, as economists had warned, budget deficits increased sharply.

The tax cuts that the Trump Republicans are attempting to pass today would be even more damaging. There is good reason to fear much more serious long-term consequences of the rise in the budget deficit, owing to two key issues of timing – one cyclical and the other demographic.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/republican-tax-reform-reagan-by-jeffrey-frankel-2017-11


Nothing says that you have to accept the tax cut. You take any money that is above what you are paying now, or that you think is more than someone in your bracket should pay and go to the treasury website and make a donation or gift to pay down the debt. Lead the way and put your money where your mouth is. It is time for all good progressives to lead by example.

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/res ... ebtFinance
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  17,295 13 Jan 2018, 10:03 am

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Blackvegetable » 12 Jan 2018 9:37 am wrote:
The US has plenty of experience with irresponsible tax cuts. Yet its leaders seem not to have learned their lesson.

Far from pursuing careful deliberation and smart compromise, US Republicans today are pretending that the cuts for which they are striving will carry no costs. If they get their way, these self-professed fiscal conservatives will blow up the budget deficit, just as they did in 1981 under Reagan, and just as they did again in 2001 and 2003, thanks to the massive tax cuts enacted under President George W. Bush...

Of course, today’s Republicans do not admit that their plan isn’t revenue-neutral. Like their counterparts in 1981, not to mention during the Bush era, they claim that the cuts will stimulate the economy so much that overall tax receipts will stay the same or even rise. Yet such claims have been rejected by virtually all mainstream economists, including the economic advisers of both Reagan and Bush.
Those administrations implemented their cuts anyway – and, as economists had warned, budget deficits increased sharply.

The tax cuts that the Trump Republicans are attempting to pass today would be even more damaging. There is good reason to fear much more serious long-term consequences of the rise in the budget deficit, owing to two key issues of timing – one cyclical and the other demographic.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/republican-tax-reform-reagan-by-jeffrey-frankel-2017-11



how is the government taking less money out of the economy irresponsible? Do you not understand that people and business earn the money....and it belongs to them? Are you under the impression that government owns the citizen, their businesses and their income?
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Huey » 13 Jan 2018 8:59 am wrote:

Either do it or stop lecturing us.



So you want to enable fiscal irresponsibility AND get a tax cuts for doing so?

How is the 3 trillion dollar tab for Iraqnam gonna be settled?
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  11,947 13 Jan 2018, 10:11 am

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nefarious101 » 13 Jan 2018 9:03 am wrote:

how is the government taking less money out of the economy irresponsible? Do you not understand that people and business earn the money....and it belongs to them? Are you under the impression that government owns the citizen, their businesses and their income?


It's irresponsible if they are spending it (and more) after "giving it back" to you....

You have to be a very Stupid Cracker to fall for that repeatedly....

And you certainly make that grade...
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  17,295 13 Jan 2018, 10:13 am

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Blackvegetable » 13 Jan 2018 9:11 am wrote:
nefarious101 » 13 Jan 2018 9:03 am wrote:

how is the government taking less money out of the economy irresponsible? Do you not understand that people and business earn the money....and it belongs to them? Are you under the impression that government owns the citizen, their businesses and their income?


It's irresponsible if they are spending it (and more) after "giving it back" to you....

You have to be a very Stupid Cracker to fall for that repeatedly....

And you certainly make that grade...




Well then rail on spending....not people being robbed of their income by outrageous taxation


you suffer from welfare-ratism
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  11,947 13 Jan 2018, 10:15 am

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nefarious101 » 13 Jan 2018 9:13 am wrote:

Well then rail on spending....not people being robbed of their income by outrageous taxation

you suffer from welfare-ratism


Do you have any idea who the by spenders are?

I haven't voted for them.......you have....

It's a matter of numbers....
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  12,750 13 Jan 2018, 10:16 am

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Blackvegetable » 13 Jan 2018 9:09 am wrote:
Huey » 13 Jan 2018 8:59 am wrote:

Either do it or stop lecturing us.



So you want to enable fiscal irresponsibility AND get a tax cuts for doing so?

How is the 3 trillion dollar tab for Iraqnam gonna be settled?


What I want you to do is take any extra money the government allows you to keep and donate it back to the treasury using the link I provided.

What I want to enable is a group of politicians that will cut spending.
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Blackvegetable » 13 Jan 2018 9:15 am wrote:

Do you have any idea who the by spenders are?

I haven't voted for them.......you have....

It's a matter of numbers....


Hey Bv...do you support the Antifa?

Ricky does.
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  12,750 13 Jan 2018, 10:18 am

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Blackvegetable » 13 Jan 2018 9:15 am wrote:
nefarious101 » 13 Jan 2018 9:13 am wrote:

Well then rail on spending....not people being robbed of their income by outrageous taxation

you suffer from welfare-ratism


Do you have any idea who the by spenders are?

I haven't voted for them.......you have....

It's a matter of numbers....



What’s a by spender?

You want to to play that game I will as well.
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  11,947 13 Jan 2018, 10:21 am

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Huey » 13 Jan 2018 9:18 am wrote:

What’s a by spender?

You want to to play that game I will as well.


Sure...

By rate of growth of Federal Spending during their term(s), rank all Presidents since Ford....hi to lo.....
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  11,947 13 Jan 2018, 10:22 am

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Huey » 13 Jan 2018 9:16 am wrote:

What I want you to do is take any extra money the government allows you to keep and donate it back to the treasury using the link I provided.

What I want to enable is a group of politicians that will cut spending.


Sure.... let's rank them by spending and see if you actually prance the prance.....
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