Shelter at home was a huge mistake

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Covid dies in sunlight. 

It thrives in areas like nursing homes that basically keep patients inside. 

Covid spreads in close quarters. Forcing extended families to gather together for long periods contributed to more spread. 

NY inexplicably did not close the subways. Another major blunder. 

As my state and town opened up, cases fell dramatically. It is only thriving in nursing homes which account for over 80% of the cases. 

My town had supposedly 42 total cases and now to 0. 

Italy set a really bad model that all the countries (based on advice from the medical experts) followed to disastrous results. 

Hindsight is a mother ****! 
 
 
 
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Putting covid19 patients in nursing homes should be investigated as homicide.
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NeoConvict » 13 Jun 2020, 9:19 am » wrote: Putting covid19 patients in nursing homes should be investigated as homicide.
Cuomo SENT THEM HOME..  What SHOULD they have done?

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Independent » 13 Jun 2020, 8:59 am » wrote: Covid dies in sunlight. 

 

Teabagger/Trumpoid science.....
  June 12, 2020"Arizona looks like the likeliest candidate to become a new Covid-19 hot spot. The state’s new Covid-19 cases are up more than 200 percent over the last two weeks, according to the Covid Exit Strategy dashboard."

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Azalea » 13 Jun 2020, 9:20 am » wrote:


Cuomo SENT THEM HOME..  What SHOULD they have done?
He mandated that they should be sent into nursing homes, moonbat.

When there were still huge numbers of hospital beds available.

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Azalea » 13 Jun 2020, 9:20 am » wrote: Cuomo SENT THEM HOME..  What SHOULD they have done?
Missing the word nursing for some reason. He sent them to nursing homes. Depraved indifference, negligent homicide. 
 
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NeoConvict » 13 Jun 2020, 10:08 am » wrote: Missing the word nursing for some reason. He sent them to nursing homes. Depraved indifference, negligent homicide.
 
Missing the word HOMES for some reason. He sent them back to their HOMES.

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But it was the science and the expert who said shelter in place....the science damn you...the experts

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I don't know anybody who "sheltered at home"

But then again I don't surround myself with sheeple, so yea.

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Azalea » 13 Jun 2020, 12:34 pm » wrote:  
Missing the word HOMES for some reason. He sent them back to their HOMES.
He sent them to senior care centers and senior rehabilitation centers. Homicide. 
 
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Polar1ty » 13 Jun 2020, 1:23 pm » wrote: I don't know anybody who "sheltered at home"

But then again I don't surround myself with sheeple, so yea.
I started sheltering at home on the first week of March and still only venture out to the grocery store or the pharmacy or to pick up take-out.  This virus is a killer, make no mistake.   Had most of America not sheltered in place for several weeks, we would have seen hundreds of thousands more dead.  
 

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RollingRock » 13 Jun 2020, 1:41 pm » wrote: I started sheltering at home on the first week of March and still only venture out to the grocery store or the pharmacy or to pick up take-out.  This virus is a killer, make no mistake.   Had most of America not sheltered in place for several weeks, we would have seen hundreds of thousands more dead.
This is the talking point I disparaged weeks ago.

Eventually people are going to go back out (unless you want to hole yourself up/not engage with other people for the rest of your life), so you're going to get it sooner or later.

Or perhaps you will never "get it" because most people are completely unaffected by Covid-19.

The lockdown's stated purpose was to "flatten the curve" as to not overwhelm hospital services. The total # of cases/dead people are unlikely to be affected in the long run - just the time table/"rate" of infected/dead.

 
 

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RollingRock » 13 Jun 2020, 1:41 pm » wrote: I started sheltering at home on the first week of March and still only venture out to the grocery store or the pharmacy or to pick up take-out.  This virus is a killer, make no mistake.   Had most of America not sheltered in place for several weeks, we would have seen hundreds of thousands more dead.

I take it a bit seriously. But then again where I live. There's no where to go anyway? So life for me has been pretty much the same.  but I do have a story. Last year I caught some kind of thing.. I couldn't breathe. I really couldn't.  I made it thru. but I did pass it on to my ol man. Who was maybe was 13 years older. It killed him off. It really did. so I respect it? do I question the propaganda? maybe? but what happened sounded so much like this virus. so confused.  

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NeoConvict » 13 Jun 2020, 1:26 pm » wrote: He sent them to senior care centers and senior rehabilitation centers. Homicide.
So was it homicide to send cases into hospitals to intubate?
Hospitals are places where people go to die!

The stench of death permeates the air!
Don't intubate me Brah!
 
 

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Polar1ty » 13 Jun 2020, 1:48 pm » wrote: This is the talking point I disparaged weeks ago.

Eventually people are going to go back out (unless you want to hole yourself up/not engage with other people for the rest of your life), so you're going to get it sooner or later.

Or perhaps you will never "get it" because most people are completely unaffected by Covid-19.

The lockdown's stated purpose was to "flatten the curve" as to not overwhelm hospital services. The total # of cases/dead people are unlikely to be affected in the long run - just the time table/"rate" of infected/dead.
It's not a "talking point." It's reality.  I'm in my 60's and planning on retiring at year's end.  I'm not going to get this virus, not if I can help it.  

Some people are relatively unaffected by Covid-19, that is true.  However while those people are wandering about positive for the virus, they can pass it on to someone with COPD, respiratory issues, diabetes, heart disease, or some other condition that often kills people when they contract Covid-19.

This is the most deady virus we've seen in a century.  To underestimate it is grossly irresponsible.
 

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RollingRock » 13 Jun 2020, 2:11 pm » wrote: It's not a "talking point." It's reality.  I'm in my 60's and planning on retiring at year's end.  I'm not going to get this virus, not if I can help it.  

Some people are relatively unaffected by Covid-19, that is true.  However while those people are wandering about positive for the virus, they can pass it on to someone with COPD, respiratory issues, diabetes, heart disease, or some other condition that often kills people when they contract Covid-19.

This is the most deady virus we've seen in a century.  To underestimate it is grossly irresponsible.
I'm aware asymptomatic carriers can pass it to others. So what is your solution? Pandemics come every so often - we had pandemics in 1957 and 1968 that each killed over 100K in the United States (back then the US population was around 150M).

We already did a partial lockdown, which tanked the real economy (while Wall St profited greatly).

Should we keep doing more of the same? Do we need to lockdown the economy every time a novel virus comes? Do we need a lockdown again in fall 2020/winter 2021, when the "second wave" hits?

Are you aware that every decision carries a cost/trade-off?
 
And finally, the reason I called it a "talking point" is that now, some Karens (thankfully a shrill minority) are screeching about how we can't re-open until there's a viable vaccine. So it went from "flattening the curve" to "Uh, we can't do anything until [insert some ridiculous demand]."

When I see shifting goalposts, I will call them out for it.

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nuckinfutz » 13 Jun 2020, 2:06 pm » wrote: So was it homicide to send cases into hospitals to intubate?
Hospitals are places where people go to die!

The stench of death permeates the air!
Don't intubate me Brah!
Nursing homes **** stick. They sent them to senior rehab centers. 
 
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Polar1ty » 13 Jun 2020, 2:45 pm » wrote: I'm aware asymptomatic carriers can pass it to others. So what is your solution? Pandemics come every so often - we had pandemics in 1957 and 1968 that each killed over 100K (back then the US population was around 150M).
 
In three months time?  Do you have a link of reference?  
We already did a partial lockdown, which tanked the real economy (while Wall St profited greatly).
People's lives are more important than the economy.
Should we keep doing more of the same? Do we need to lockdown the economy every time a novel virus comes?
If we need to, absolutely.  The trick is getting it right the FIRST time (which we did not do).  
Are you aware that every decision carries a cost/trade-off?
Of course.  And I prioritize American lives first.  


 

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RollingRock » 13 Jun 2020, 3:01 pm » wrote: In three months time?  Do you have a link of reference?  

People's lives are more important than the economy.

If we need to, absolutely.  The trick is getting it right the FIRST time (which we did not do).  

Of course.  And I prioritize American lives first.
I have been unable to find resources on the timeline for US mortality/excess deaths. Wikipedia only shows a chart based on excess mortality from Chile, so we can use that as a proxy (as the outbreak was far deadlier in South America compared to North America).



Excess mortality spike lasted from July 1957 to January 1958 - 6 months time.

The time is actually not as relevant as you think because the total number of deaths follows a logistic, not an exponential, curve. As time progresses, the total # of deaths will sizzle out, unless a "second wave" comes (which it will, whether we lockdown or not - and if anything, I would argue the inability of the lockdown to prevent a "second wave" is actually strong evidence against the lockdown itself).

Unfortunately, as your typical American is very math-impaired, he or she probably googled "exponential function" without truly understanding the 10th grade math behind it, and then posted hysterically all over social media about how "5 billion ppl are going to be infected and 100 million dead!" with silly charts if we didn't do everything the Karens demanded.

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"People's lives are more important than the economy."
This is another point, which I predicted you would make, that has made you an unwitting supporter of Wall Street's agenda, which I hope you will re-evaluate in light of everything that's happened (given that you are clearly a Bernie Sanders supporter, I doubt you are a big fan of Wall Street).

The "economy" is not just Wall St's earning reports (which are largely fabricated anyway with non-GAAP numbers - thank the SEC for standing by and letting Wall St criminals loose), Goldman Sachs/other banks front-running Treasury bonds...it is every transaction that enables ordinary people to make a living.

When you tell people living paycheck to paycheck that they CANNOT go and earn $$$ to support themselves, you are aiding in the working class' destruction. You are also allowing Wall Street to impoverish Main Street small businesses, many of which have already gone bankrupt and will no longer serve as competition to Wall Street economic gangsters.

Now I can already see some objections you will raise, and I will address them now:

1. "We can just give the people money, like UBI/unemployment payments/etc."

True, but that's not going to last forever. Since I am not a "libertarian" or "conservative," I don't object to cash transfers (under certain circumstances when people actually need them), but I will tell you, as anyone who understands basic economics does, that this is supposed to be TEMPORARY. It cannot last forever, unless you want the price of staples to skyrocket 500%.

Sooner or later, people will go back to work when what meager savings or government transfers they have dries up...and...the virus will circulate again.

See why I'm not a fan of "lockdowns?"

2. "It's not the working class' fault that they live paycheck to paycheck. It's the system's fault."

OK, so how is shutting down the economy going to help?

It doesn't matter whether you live in a capitalist or socialist system, someone needs to do the labor, or the goods/services won't exist.

A shortage of goods/services is not going to help the working class - in fact, a shortage means only the RICH can afford to pay for those higher prices.

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 If we need to, absolutely.  The trick is getting it right the FIRST time (which we did not do).
What exactly should we have done differently?

And before you even think about it, please do not scapegoat the "lockdown protestors," as they were a very small minority.

If your plan fails because < 0.1% of the population refuses to comply, your plan was destined to fail anyway, as no plan achieves 100% compliance.

I'm also curious as to whether you think the George Floyd inspired "protests" are responsible for the resurgence in Covid cases, and whether we need to disperse THOSE protestors as they are undoubtedly facilitating the spread of the virus with a vengeance.

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Of course.  And I prioritize American lives first.
I do as well. Unfortunately, the lockdowns have destroyed many lives, so I surely hope the lockdowns will not happen again.
 
 

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Independent » 13 Jun 2020, 8:59 am » wrote: Covid dies in sunlight. 

It thrives in areas like nursing homes that basically keep patients inside.

 
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