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Here is my argument:

A liberal is a fellow who stands against the lynch mob - never one who joins it. A liberal judges people by the content of their character - not the color of their skin. A liberal intuitively refuses to subscribe to the notion of corrupted blood, never holding a man responsible for what that man's great grandfather might or might not have done.

A liberal steadfastly refuses to generalize or paint with a broad brush - no liberal has ever used the name Karen or the word Boomer as an insult, because liberals react to people as individuals, not as representatives of this or that group. Judging a human being based on group identity is anathema to a liberal. Liberals seek the greatest good for the greatest number, never putting a few hundred stake holders' interests over tens of thousands, or a million over a hundred millions.

Liberals judge ideas on their merits, and not by who uttered them. Just because a woman said it, that doesn't make it less true or less serious, to a liberal. Likewise, just because a person of color said it, or just because a conservative white heterosexual said it. It is the IDEA which a liberal judges - not the source.

Liberals work to bring the peace, to bring conciliation. Liberals seek compromise - though not at the expense of principles. Liberals look for common ground with their opponents, and value the many legitimate positions that their opponents have, listening respectfully and with an open mind to opposing views. Liberals are the very last to engage in shouting down or censoring.

Liberals are a rare and disappearing breed. Someday, I would like to meet one.
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It seems like there's a never-ending line o' Teabaggers/"conservatives", here, who keep repeating the same, damned question; how to define what is a Conservative, Liberal or Progressive....as if there's some kind o' conflict, between the last-two. I'm (still) guessing these Teabaggers/"conservatives" short-term-memory issues are a direct-result o' fetal-alcohol-syndrome....but, they now have an option. They can always bookmark this thread, for future-reference purposes. 
conservative:

: believing in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society: not liking or accepting changes or new ideas
 
liberal:

: believing that government should be active in supporting social and political change: not opposed to new ideas or ways of behaving that are not traditional or widely accepted
 
progressive: : moving forward: happening or developing gradually over a period of time: using or interested in new or modern ideas especially in politics and education
    

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Liberals are ancestors that prefer to be known as social identities rather than equally timed apart reproductions adapting to space as timed apart so far. Central authoritarians label themselves progressives then they create the language barriers comparing race, creed, color, national origin, gender bias, gender preference all the things people choose to perform a reality state of mind over being honest about only kinetically timed apart when living occupying specific point of displacement.

This kind of actually covers civilization from dawn of franchised societal evolution to current events where intellect is dreamed superior, supernatural gifts rather than simple induced energy from the brain working all 6 senses simultaneously to be able to move in one direction at a time from being centered specificially timed apart so far.

History repeated academically, artistically, politically, spiritually, economically socially within this species people pit ideologies against one another like sibling rivalries seeking their parents favoritism.

This is so simple most cannot believe their ancestry and themselves could be fooled so long, so pride at saving humanity won't let next generations change the process done for the last 300 cycles of people never the same again.

Again I was trained to perform that way since birth, but at 31 years old my instincts turned on again and social doubts became simple patterns of historical denial no one person can work against without becoming opposing their own family and friends doing so.

Catch 22..

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A librul is someone intelligent enough to realize that the Davos gang, under a "Green New Deal," will not be eating bugs for protein - only the commoners and peasants will.

A librul is someone intelligent enough to realize that mass 3rd world immigration does not help the country or its average citizens. (The USA Socialist Party's platform in 1912 under Eugene Debs had stricter demands/quotas on immigrants than Trump's Republican Party since 2016, so STFU)

A librul is someone who advocates for the working poor and middle class without being ignorant of basic economics ("Why can't we just send every kid to college on the taxpayer's dime, like Yur-rup does???!!")

A librul does not demonize science by claiming it's a field with a history dominated by "white males."

A librul is likely to dispute certain tenets of "traditional values" without advocating goals promoted by the far left, including but not limited to polyamory, polygamy, polyandry, "free love," the destruction of marriage, 3rd/4th wave feminism, etc.

(On the last point, I suggest reading this short piece, describing the "sexual revolution" in the USSR under Lenin and its unintended consequences - prompting Stalin to re-impose culturally conservative laws: 

https://unherd.com/2020/01/russias-brie ... evolution/)
 
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I see poster #2 has resorted to using the dicktionary, because obviously, nobody but him is intelligent enough to come up with such a brilliant idea.

I swear to god, BeeVee is a **** genius compared to these newcomers. He can string together a cogent argument.

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Cannonpointer » 20 Jun 2020, 4:14 pm » wrote: Here is my argument:

A liberal is a fellow who stands against the lynch mob - never one who joins it. A liberal judges people by the content of their character - not the color of their skin. A liberal intuitively refuses to subscribe to the notion of corrupted blood, never holding a man responsible for what that man's great grandfather might or might not have done.

A liberal steadfastly refuses to generalize or paint with a broad brush - no liberal has ever used the name Karen or the word Boomer as an insult, because liberals react to people as individuals, not as representatives of this or that group. Judging a human being based on group identity is anathema to a liberal. Liberals seek the greatest good for the greatest number, never putting a few hundred stake holders' interests over tens of thousands, or a million over a hundred millions.

Liberals judge ideas on their merits, and not by who uttered them. Just because a woman said it, that doesn't make it less true or less serious, to a liberal. Likewise, just because a person of color said it, or just because a conservative white heterosexual said it. It is the IDEA which a liberal judges - not the source.

Liberals work to bring the peace, to bring conciliation. Liberals seek compromise - though not at the expense of principles. Liberals look for common ground with their opponents, and value the many legitimate positions that their opponents have, listening respectfully and with an open mind to opposing views. Liberals are the very last to engage in shouting down or censoring.

Liberals are a rare and disappearing breed. Someday, I would like to meet one.
This does not describe Liberals or Liberalism.  It describes the behavior of saints.  And then complains about their scarcity. There is not one word about idealism or equality.
 
Nothing about free markets, free trade, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, ...

Included in the meaning of Liberal is someone who is in favor of progressive ideas and not adverse to jettisoning the means and institutions of the past. Being Liberal, in many ways, means being pragmatic..... In favor of doing what works and moving on if it doesn't.
 
The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much it is whether we provide enough for those who have little :--- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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bludog » 20 Jun 2020, 6:36 pm » wrote: This does not describe Liberals or Liberalism.  It describes the behavior of saints.  And then complains about their scarcity. There is not one word about idealism or equality.
 
Nothing about free markets, free trade, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, ...

Included in the meaning of Liberal is someone who is in favor of progressive ideas and not adverse to jettisoning the means and institutions of the past. Being Liberal, in many ways, means being pragmatic..... In favor of doing what works and moving on if it doesn't.

very good, Bludog! I am a CENTRIST who leans liberal. I have been waiting for CRIM to tell me what a real liberal is, for ages now. He never responded!
I'm sure that would be like asking Hitler what he thought of Jews.
Then , there is this constant confusion about progressives and liberals! Jeez! It never ends!
 

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nuckinfutz » 20 Jun 2020, 7:16 pm » wrote: very good, Bludog! I am a CENTRIST who leans liberal. I have been waiting for CRIM to tell me what a real liberal is, for ages now. He never responded!
I'm sure that would be like asking Hitler what he thought of Jews.
Then , there is this constant confusion about progressives and liberals! Jeez! It never ends!

What am I then?  you know me pretty well? Just asking Nutin? will somebody please tell me what I am? because i'm confused?    

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sootedupCyndi » 20 Jun 2020, 7:50 pm » wrote: What am I then?  you know me pretty well? Just asking Nutin? will somebody please tell me what I am? because i'm confused?  
Yes! You are confused! (In a nice way, of course)    

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nuckinfutz » 20 Jun 2020, 8:15 pm » wrote: Yes! You are confused! (In a nice way, of course)  

maybe? but once again, trump is on teevee? sorry Biden . go try again.

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sootedupCyndi » 20 Jun 2020, 8:20 pm » wrote: maybe? but once again, trump is on teevee? sorry Biden . go try again.

BIDEN ain't hidin, he is ridin!    
Ridin the new BLUE WAVE!
Laughing his *** off at Trump!
   

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bludog » 20 Jun 2020, 6:36 pm » wrote: This does not describe Liberals or Liberalism.  It describes the behavior of saints.  And then complains about their scarcity. There is not one word about idealism or equality.
 
Nothing about free markets, free trade, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, ...

Included in the meaning of Liberal is someone who is in favor of progressive ideas and not adverse to jettisoning the means and institutions of the past. Being Liberal, in many ways, means being pragmatic..... In favor of doing what works and moving on if it doesn't.
I thought the same.  I am not moved to wax poetic about liberals, because in many ways, I am rather conservative.  However, I could describe libertarians in glowing terms.
 
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SJConspirator » 20 Jun 2020, 8:49 pm » wrote: I thought the same.  I am not moved to wax poetic about liberals, because in many ways, I am rather conservative.  However, I could describe libertarians in glowing terms.
Wait a minute! I thought you hated Libertardians!
Oh! That, s right you are being sarcastic! My bad!

     

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nuckinfutz » 20 Jun 2020, 8:59 pm » wrote: Wait a minute! I thought you hated Libertardians!
Oh! That, s right you are being sarcastic! My bad!

   

I believe Polarity hates most Libertarians.  I identify as a libertarian.  Maybe you have us confused?
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SJConspirator » 20 Jun 2020, 9:45 pm » wrote: I believe Polarity hates most Libertarians.  I identify as a libertarian.  Maybe you have us confused?
Yup! I do! But you do the best IRONY of anyone on here!
So we can keep you around just for **** and giggles!
     
 

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nuckinfutz » 20 Jun 2020, 10:18 pm » wrote: Yup! I do! But you do the best IRONY of anyone on here!
So we can keep you around just for **** and giggles!
   
the most extreme irony/sarcasm is actually borne of deep despair and exhaustion.  But it can be funny as hell.
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SJConspirator » 20 Jun 2020, 10:20 pm » wrote: the most extreme irony/sarcasm is actually borne of deep despair and exhaustion.  But it can be funny as hell.
I think my despair has led to exhaustion! I have reached the end, and it stares me in my face!
And I don't see anything funny about it! "Funny guy"
 
 

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Polar1ty » 20 Jun 2020, 5:48 pm » wrote: A librul is someone intelligent enough to realize that the Davos gang, under a "Green New Deal," will not be eating bugs for protein - only the commoners and peasants will.

A librul is someone intelligent enough to realize that mass 3rd world immigration does not help the country or its average citizens. (The USA Socialist Party's platform in 1912 under Eugene Debs had stricter demands/quotas on immigrants than Trump's Republican Party since 2016, so STFU)

A librul is someone who advocates for the working poor and middle class without being ignorant of basic economics ("Why can't we just send every kid to college on the taxpayer's dime, like Yur-rup does???!!")

A librul does not demonize science by claiming it's a field with a history dominated by "white males."

A librul is likely to dispute certain tenets of "traditional values" without advocating goals promoted by the far left, including but not limited to polyamory, polygamy, polyandry, "free love," the destruction of marriage, 3rd/4th wave feminism, etc.

(On the last point, I suggest reading this short piece, describing the "sexual revolution" in the USSR under Lenin and its unintended consequences - prompting Stalin to re-impose culturally conservative laws: 

https://unherd.com/2020/01/russias-brie ... evolution/)
The link was a good read.
 
Accomplishments are helpful, yes - but the critical qualifications for VP are melanin and a vagina.

When your map disputes the territory, it's your map that is wrong.
Hearing much sizzle, expect little steak
Lies are a lazy man's truths
Humanity's law of the jungle is survival of the tribe

Only weak ideas must be protected from debate, and only religions declare people heretics.

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You cannot betray me, only yourself, to me

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I will share my answer from the nominations thread:
bludog » 20 Jun 2020, 10:00 pm » wrote: This does not describe Liberals or Liberalism. It describes the behavior of saints.
Heroes, MAYBE. Saints? Give that **** a break. You just don't like being held to a genuine standard - the very standard promulgated by Doctor King.
bludog » 20 Jun 2020, 10:00 pm » wrote: And then complains about their scarcity. There is not one word about idealism or equality.
You can't whine that I am describing saints and then complain that I didn't talk about the ideal. You need to make up your mind.

As to equality, I belong to a nation which has spent three generations giving preferential hiring, college placement and procurement contracts to minorities - based on the color of their skin. Are you against that? It's not equality, now is it. But we are doing it - so stop pretending that no one is trying. If there is anyone not trying, it is the objects of that charity.
bludog » 20 Jun 2020, 10:00 pm » wrote: Nothing about free markets, free trade, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, ...
Most of those are republican values, dumb ***. The repukes have been championing almost all of that since reagan.

You just cleared up why you don't like my definition of a liberal - you're a **** third way neolib who has adopted just about every republican position of the last thirty years - up to and including cap and trade.
bludog » 20 Jun 2020, 10:00 pm » wrote: Included in the meaning of Liberal is someone who is in favor of progressive ideas and not adverse to jettisoning the means and institutions of the past. Being Liberal, in many ways, means being pragmatic..... In favor of doing what works and moving on if it doesn't.
Pragmatism is not exclusively a liberal value. Fascists are often very pragmatic. And an unpragmatic person can still be a liberal. So that's meaningless pabulum.

You're about as liberal as a dog turd, kid - so are the other fruit cakes in the L.O.

You retards would force 150 million American women to share their showers with swinging dicks in order to cater to a few confused screw balls. Real liberals put the greatest good of the greatest number first. You feed on racial animosity like vampires, and if low expectations are soft bigotry, then you fruit cakes are Mr. Whipple.
Accomplishments are helpful, yes - but the critical qualifications for VP are melanin and a vagina.

When your map disputes the territory, it's your map that is wrong.
Hearing much sizzle, expect little steak
Lies are a lazy man's truths
Humanity's law of the jungle is survival of the tribe

Only weak ideas must be protected from debate, and only religions declare people heretics.

Nostalgia is a crime against past and present
You cannot betray me, only yourself, to me

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Polar1ty » 20 Jun 2020, 5:50 pm » wrote: I see poster #2 has resorted to using the dicktionary, because obviously, nobody but him is intelligent enough to come up with such a brilliant idea.

I swear to god, BeeVee is a **** genius compared to these newcomers. He can string together a cogent argument.

I wasn't even aware. I saw the worthless dick sucker, reddied him and moved on.
Accomplishments are helpful, yes - but the critical qualifications for VP are melanin and a vagina.

When your map disputes the territory, it's your map that is wrong.
Hearing much sizzle, expect little steak
Lies are a lazy man's truths
Humanity's law of the jungle is survival of the tribe

Only weak ideas must be protected from debate, and only religions declare people heretics.

Nostalgia is a crime against past and present
You cannot betray me, only yourself, to me

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