who released the Christie emails?

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Posted by Thrash-Ra
  326 09 Jan 2014, 9:08 am

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I'm surfing various sources right now, and all they've said so far in regards to these emails is that they 'recently surfaced' and were released by 'news sources.' Which sources? Where are the names?

We have names of whistleblowers and insiders in both them Bush and Obama admins. Why should this be any different?

This is what I call a Rising Star Controversy. We see it all the time whenever a politician or even athlete starts to gain notoriety: someone is always in the wings to accuse him or her of some atrocity.

Bush -- Katrina. Obama comes into the public eye, and racists and birthers bleed out of the woodwork. Palin's daughter gets knocked up and everyone loses their minds.

Christine's situation consists of
A. Being a rising star
B. ALLEGATIONS

So who put out the emails? What am I overlooking here? I've defended Obama. I'll defend Christie, too.
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  326 09 Jan 2014, 9:14 am

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I would suspect the Tea Party of a behind-the-scenes smear campaign before the Dems, honestly. Christie is bipartisan and would work across the aisle, imo. They want someone in there who is going to push a rabidly conservative ideology.
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  326 09 Jan 2014, 9:21 am

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golfboy » 09 Jan 2014 8:17 am wrote:
Perhaps, but it's more likely a Dim. I doubt there are many TEA Party people working in/for Christie.
But in Jersey? Dimocrats infect every corner of that State.


DEMS might work with Christie the way they wouldn't with the idiot Romney or rabid Rand. And the Dems would wait till closer to election to run a smear campaign. Tea partiers are too explosive for patience.

Personally, I think Christie is an ass, and he probably was behind this 100%.
But I see no difference between them closing a traffic lane, and how Obama closed all the National Parks and Monuments during the government shutdown.
Politicians use the citizens as pawns in their game of power. Why is anyone surprised?


If he did it, he should resign. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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  326 09 Jan 2014, 9:36 am

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Annoyed Liberall » 09 Jan 2014 8:35 am wrote:
You think Sarah Palin released the emails?

Lol probably. She wants to be the nominee for 2016.
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  326 09 Jan 2014, 9:59 am

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golfboy » 09 Jan 2014 8:48 am wrote:
So, you believe that Obama should resign as well for his actions punishing Americans to advance his political position?

I believe Obama should resign over Guantanamo Bay and the drone strikes he refuses to discuss.

But now we are talking about Gov Christie, not Obama.
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  326 09 Jan 2014, 3:23 pm

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GeorgeWashington » 09 Jan 2014 9:19 am wrote:

Wait a few days and see what bodies float up on the jersey shore.

Something big will pop off in DC and this will be a non issue. Slow news week. American is covered jn snow. What else is there to report?
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  326 09 Jan 2014, 3:28 pm

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Cannonpointer » 09 Jan 2014 9:20 am wrote:

Christie's top aides that HE hired orchestrated the lane closures to punish a politician for not endorsing Christie. That much is clear from the emails.

One school of thought is that they did so on his orders, and contributed to Granny's death.. Another is that he appointed people who acted criminally without his consent, and contributed to Granny's death. If you wish to give Christie the benefit of the doubt, that puts you category two.

How beneficial is that? I don;t see a political future for him under EITHER scenario - and I challenge you to provide another. Go ahead. Benefit Humpty Dumpty with a third explanation of events. :)

Third explanation, hot-muzzled weapon: these "emails" appear to have been patched together by someone with a rudimentary knowledge of Photoshop. Where are the names of who released the emails, rightly, in your opinion? Why has no one stepped forward to claim the credit? Could it be that whoever did is waiting to see if these allegations actually destroy Christie?
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2 pages and Skeptic comes through for me :wub: now I can investigate. Though, they don't seem like a rag, but rather a legit news source. I like that.


I haven't seen anything about this on the news, just news sites. Have you, Skeptic?
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  326 09 Jan 2014, 4:16 pm

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Ah, yes. Maddow. I remember. And I don't watch Fox News unless a resident happens to have it on in their room, so I didn't see that, lol.
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  326 09 Jan 2014, 5:15 pm

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Huey » 09 Jan 2014 3:56 pm wrote:
Regardless of what I think about Chris Christie he is a pretty good politician. So with that said exactly how does having the PA shut down three lanes punish a mayor that did not endorse him? Christie had to know that if this one came out it would go due to hi future political aspirations. And if he did know about it and allowed it he is pretty fucking stupid.

That's what I was wondering, how the Dem mayor was supposed to be affected by this. .
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Skeptic » 09 Jan 2014 5:18 pm wrote:

Do you actually have a point to make?

I made the same point. A legit political email addy would not end in gmail or yahoo.
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Skeptic » 09 Jan 2014 5:24 pm wrote:

Perhaps they were skirting usual channels. I use both my .gov email and a gmail account.

At this point, no one is denying these emails emanated from Christie's office. So, what is the contention?

Does lack of denial mean immediate guilt?
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Skeptic » 09 Jan 2014 7:28 pm wrote:

Thrash, they ADMITTED it.

I saw Christie owning up to being deceived. Who's they? Bc no one else came forward, as far as I know. Wildstein or whatever even bucked his interview.
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Skeptic » 09 Jan 2014 8:22 pm wrote:

Christie admitted it was done through his office, so the veracity of the email messages is not in question. Crimes were committed through his office.

Yes. I supposed he did admit it. I still think that the emails are fake, but whatever. No matter what did or did not happen, I admire his willingness to admit there was wrongdoing.

Cannonpointer » 09 Jan 2014 9:26 pm wrote:

That third explanation does not jibe with port authority appointees resigning and taking the fifth - or the author of the original email resigning and disappearing from public view. You're jumping on a train that already left the station.

I've come to that conclusion. No breath left to defend someone to the death that has already admitted guilt, though he may have not been a direct party.

I feel jaded.
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  326 09 Jan 2014, 11:29 pm

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I will remain skeptical. If those images are screenshots of the emails, they look contrived to me.
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  326 09 Jan 2014, 11:40 pm

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Cannonpointer » 09 Jan 2014 10:35 pm wrote:
What is there, specifically, to be "skeptical" about? Did the head of the port authority resign and take the fifth over contrived emails? Did Christie's top aid resign over such?

I don't understand what "skeptical" even means in this context. Please, tell me: skeptical about WHAT, precisely? :huh:

Firstly, the gmail/yahoo addresses. Unless these aides were complete idiots, I doubt they would have used personal emails on known open servers.
Secondly, look at the screenshots. They just look fake. At least to me.

I can concede Christie's guilt. The emails make me leery, is all.
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  326 09 Jan 2014, 11:41 pm

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Skeptic » 09 Jan 2014 10:37 pm wrote:

Your choice!

I think Christie's toast, Thrash. If he stays in office, he will never again enjoy the "above it all" veneer that kept him safe from serious scrutiny. Without that, he has far too much baggage to run for president. I'm starting to think his governorship is on very thin ice. If Kelly says "he knew," Christie is done in NJ.

I think we're two years out and it's too early to make that call.

He wouldn't be the nominee either way, bridge fiasco or no bridge fiasco. He's too partisan and moderate and not rabid right-wing enough.
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  326 09 Jan 2014, 11:46 pm

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Cannonpointer » 09 Jan 2014 10:44 pm wrote:

The emails are verified and substantiated, period. That train left the station when those people resigned and the first one took the fifth.

They looked hinky to you - okay, fine. But that issue has been settled. The same is true of the email addresses. All of your concerns have been answered in spades by the behaviors of the guilty.


Not really, but we'll go in circles on this one bc I'm not willing to concede this last point.
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Cannonpointer » 09 Jan 2014 10:51 pm wrote:

I'm back to not understanding what it is you won't concede? What last point? Do you deny the alleged authors of the emails resigned? I can get you links. Do you deny the port authority chief took the fifth? I can provide video.

There is no question they authored the emails: They do not deny it, and they resigned. That's confirmation. So what exactly do you not concede? :huh:

Just a hunch, dear. I would, however, love to see links to the other pages of these emails. But I can find that myself. No need to trouble yourself.
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  326 10 Jan 2014, 12:05 am

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Cannonpointer » 09 Jan 2014 11:05 pm wrote:

Gonna stop you right there.

There's your admission that the emails are genuine. All done.

I'm still going to be willfully obtuse about it.
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