Intent to murder? No. There are elements of the crimes with which Chauvin is charged that do involve intent.
There were 4 cops there, and like maybe 15 people.FOS » 02 Apr 2021, 3:08 pm » wrote: ↑
AnnoyedLiberall » 02 Apr 2021, 3:18 pm » wrote: ↑
It certainly wasn't an unruly mob.
They were yelling, yes.
But cops are supposed to be trained to handle themselves in chaotic situations.
Are you saying these 4 cops can't do 2 things at once?
No, I don't.
Cops do their jobs in public. Defense whining about the crowd is self defeating. Would make the case that Chauvin was incompetent.
I can respect that. Nonetheless the facts of the case show that Chauvin did exactly intend to murder him. Likely for months, too. Yes. When you consider how he potentially had some workplace-related hatred toward Floyd.
Sorry, but it's certainly not a fact that Chauvin was out to "punish" Floyd. That's your opinion, and it's not supported by any factual evidence. You then make the claim that it was "obvious" that Floyd WOULD have gotten into the police car, despite the efforts of 3 policemen who were unable to force him in. And despite what you claim, the "smirk" you saw on Chauvin's face DOES NOT "say it all". Facial expressions are NOT permissible as factual evidence of a crime, thank God! Furthermore, you offered the opinion that the cops had the equipment out to hog-tie him, wondering why that wasn't used. The fact is that hog-tying a suspect is not permitted under the MN Police Guidelines, and then speculate that the police "had other options", and that the police made "bad choices" which have consequences. Again, those are opinions that I don't believe you're qualified to make. Beyond that, you made the error of stating that counterfeiting is nothing but a misdemeanor, which is completely false.
A Minneapolis homicide detective has described Derek Chauvin’s decision to press his knee into George Floyd’s neck for more than nine minutes as a totally unnecessary use of “deadly force”. Lt Richard Zimmerman, who leads the Minneapolis homicide department, said in testimony on Friday that in four decades as a police officer he had never been trained to place a knee on someone’s neck as a means of restraining them during an arrest.“If your knee is on a person’s neck, that can kill them,” he said.
Facts? You mean, like how Chauvin and Floyd were co-workers? And therefore had a personal relationship?
Abatjour » 02 Apr 2021, 3:54 pm » wrote: ↑
Did you take this jaded view in any cases where police officers became enemies due to OJT issues? Did you allow their private relationship impact how we treated their professional behavior?? Yes, I would bet you did! Oh, but now, there is no way possible that Chauvin's personal relationship with Floyd via the workplace they shared, had annnnnnny impact on the way Chauvin approached Floyd when he saw his vehicle.
I'll even go as far as to say, since the nature of their jobs mean they were likely the last ones to leave their workplace each night when they worked together; Chauvin likely knew it was Floyd as he approached a familiar looking vehicle... which explains why Chauvin had such peculiar behavior as soon as he opened the door and saw Floyd.
Zimmerman also testified that what he saw on the video evidence was "not how he (Chauvin) was trained.An emotional week of testimony in the trial of Derek Chauvin concluded Friday with Lt. Richard Zimmerman, the most senior officer in the Minneapolis Police Department, rejecting the former officer’s use of force against George Floyd, calling it “uncalled for” and “totally unnecessary.” Zimmerman testified that once someone is handcuffed, “they are not a threat to you at that point” and the amount of force should be immediately reduced. “If your knee is on a person’s neck, that could kill him,” he testified.
IkeBana » 02 Apr 2021, 4:45 pm » wrote: ↑
Zimmerman also testified that what he saw on the video evidence was "not how he (Chauvin) was trained.
So now, after having stated that he knows better than licensed physicians and medical examiner's what the cause of death should be on 500,000+ death certificates. Since he knows better than the chief medical examiner what killed George Floyd. Since he knows better than 60 courts, 8 appellate courts, the Supreme Court, DHS Cybersecurity, and election officials of both parties, that the election was a fraud...
Neo is obvious gonna know better than the number one officer in the department in terms of seniority,, and the head of the Minneapolis PD Homicide Unit what the protocol and training in the use of deadly force in the Minneapolis PD better than Lt. Zimmerman.
Nope. If Chauvin has used the workplace they share, to harbor ill-will toward Floyd? It totally matters.
Not according to Lt. Richard Zimmerman,, the number two officer on the Minneapolis PD, behind only the chief. He stated in his testimony that Chauvin maintained his knee on the subject's neck after Floyd had been handcuffed, taken down and was no longer resisting.
IkeBana » 02 Apr 2021, 4:49 pm » wrote: ↑
If I can be so bold...we already know that Chauvin was enjoying it and nobody was gonna make him stop. What's important is that the case being made by the defense was crushed into dust today by the testimony of Lt. Richard Zimmerman. Chauvin exercised lethal force when none was necessary and he violated the department's lethal force protocols.
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