Why Didn't Trump Release His Own Copy of The Warrant?

[ScottMon]

he was given a copy as they searched his home.  He could hand it off to any news agency.

[LibDave]

he was given a copy as they searched his home.  He could hand it off to any news agency.

You contention is incorrect.  Trump did not get a copy of the warrant prior to or during the raid.  Even his attorney who arrived on the scene after the raid was underway was not given a copy of the warrant, nor was she allowed to observe the search, and they requested any cameras be turned off.  The cameras weren't turned off because no one who knew how they worked was there to turn them off.  I'm sure any surveillance system on the level of Mar-a-Lago has a backup if power is removed.  She was read the warrant verbally and told to leave the premises.  She indicated what she heard of the warrant wasn't very specific.

We now have the warrant available.  It was indeed very non-specific.  The warrant was basically to obtain any documentation which may have originated during Trump's 4 year presidency.  In other words, so non-specific as to be categorized as a witch hunt.  To drive this point home even further, the location of the documents had already been shown to the FBI 2 months prior (June) and Trump's team indicated at that time if they wanted to have them delivered for examination they need only make the request.  The FBI's response was merely to request an additional lock on the storage location.

We will likely never know the content of the material in question.  Revealing such information would presumably cause more damage to the country than having it stored at Mar-a-Lago, a fairly secure location I'm sure.  Regardless,
    1. Trump claims he declassified the documentation contained in the boxes (his authority to do so),
    2. Trump did not pack the boxes himself, so even he may not be fully aware of what they contained,
    3. The manner in which the raid was conducted leaves open the possibility additional documents were planted.  Something not entirely out of the realm of possibility due to the history and recent revelations as to the veracity of the FBI in regards to Trump.  The raid itself is evidence of this possibility due to the fact it was done in a very heavy handed manner, after the documents had previously been offered up for examination, under a process were zero transparency as the to legitimacy of anything discovered during the raid could be verified.  Every action conducted during the raid indicates the FBI planned the raid process to insure no misconduct on the part of the FBI agents could be proven.  However, by this same action they have guaranteed nothing the raid produced can be trusted.

The FBI and their conduct has only served to get more egg on the face of the FBI.  They have got to stop this "get Trump" at all costs and by all means strategy. Unfortunately nothing the FBI does can be believed and the more they attempt to use their charter as a weapon against their obvious political opponent (i.e. Trump), the worse they look.  At this point there is little choice left but to dismantle the FBI, put all of them out on the streets and create one or more new entities to carry out the functions chartered to the FBI. In many cases current FBI functions may be eliminated entirely if unnecessary.  Restructuring would be needed to insure Agency bias doesn't continue after it is dismantled.  This is the easier route than giving the FBI time to make corrections themselves.  The FBI has been given ample opportunities to correct itself and get back in line with their constitutional oath.  They have failed utterly and appear entirely tone-deaf to the damage their political bias has foistered upon the nation.
 
 
 

[GHETTO BLASTER]

he was given a copy as they searched his home.  He could hand it off to any news agency.

Wow..LibDave really blasted the **** right out of your head with his reply.
How many hours will it take for your to get your head reloaded ..?

[Independent]

You contention is incorrect.  Trump did not get a copy of the warrant prior to or during the raid.  Even his attorney who arrived on the scene after the raid was underway was not given a copy of the warrant, nor was she allowed to observe the search, and they requested any cameras be turned off.  The cameras weren't turned off because no one who knew how they worked was there to turn them off.  I'm sure any surveillance system on the level of Mar-a-Lago has a backup if power is removed.  She was read the warrant verbally and told to leave the premises.  She indicated what she heard of the warrant wasn't very specific.

We now have the warrant available.  It was indeed very non-specific.  The warrant was basically to obtain any documentation which may have originated during Trump's 4 year presidency.  In other words, so non-specific as to be categorized as a witch hunt.  To drive this point home even further, the location of the documents had already been shown to the FBI 2 months prior (June) and Trump's team indicated at that time if they wanted to have them delivered for examination they need only make the request.  The FBI's response was merely to request an additional lock on the storage location.

We will likely never know the content of the material in question.  Revealing such information would presumably cause more damage to the country than having it stored at Mar-a-Lago, a fairly secure location I'm sure.  Regardless,
    1. Trump claims he declassified the documentation contained in the boxes (his authority to do so),
    2. Trump did not pack the boxes himself, so even he may not be fully aware of what they contained,
    3. The manner in which the raid was conducted leaves open the possibility additional documents were planted.  Something not entirely out of the realm of possibility due to the history and recent revelations as to the veracity of the FBI in regards to Trump.  The raid itself is evidence of this possibility due to the fact it was done in a very heavy handed manner, after the documents had previously been offered up for examination, under a process were zero transparency as the to legitimacy of anything discovered during the raid could be verified.  Every action conducted during the raid indicates the FBI planned the raid process to insure no misconduct on the part of the FBI agents could be proven.  However, by this same action they have guaranteed nothing the raid produced can be trusted.

The FBI and their conduct has only served to get more egg on the face of the FBI.  They have got to stop this "get Trump" at all costs and by all means strategy. Unfortunately nothing the FBI does can be believed and the more they attempt to use their charter as a weapon against their obvious political opponent (i.e. Trump), the worse they look.  At this point there is little choice left but to dismantle the FBI, put all of them out on the streets and create one or more new entities to carry out the functions chartered to the FBI. In many cases current FBI functions may be eliminated entirely if unnecessary.  Restructuring would be needed to insure Agency bias doesn't continue after it is dismantled.  This is the easier route than giving the FBI time to make corrections themselves.  The FBI has been given ample opportunities to correct itself and get back in line with their constitutional oath.  They have failed utterly and appear entirely tone-deaf to the damage their political bias has foistered upon the nation.

Be gentle. His news sources don’t inform him of truth like this. 

[LibDave]

Wow..LibDave really blasted the **** right out of your head with his reply.
How many hours will it take for your to get your head reloaded ..?

My point is, this has been my real concern over the conduct of the FBI for quite a few years now.  They became a weapon to be thrust upon the opposition to the DNC and a shield to protect the DNC from Justice for all manner of blatant political corruption.  What they failed to appreciate is the only REAL weapon the FBI possessed was INTEGRITY.  They lost their integrity and the result is the public no longer believes anything they claim.  Without integrity and the trust of The People, they have ceased to provide their intended function.  It is like going before a judge who has been publicly convicted of taking 100s of bribes.  The judges verdicts can no longer be trusted and therefore the judge must be replaced as no verdict right or wrong holds any weight.
 
 

[Pastafarian]

You contention is incorrect.  Trump did not get a copy of the warrant prior to or during the raid.  Even his attorney who arrived on the scene after the raid was underway was not given a copy of the warrant, nor was she allowed to observe the search, and they requested any cameras be turned off.  The cameras weren't turned off because no one who knew how they worked was there to turn them off.  I'm sure any surveillance system on the level of Mar-a-Lago has a backup if power is removed.  She was read the warrant verbally and told to leave the premises.  She indicated what she heard of the warrant wasn't very specific.

We now have the warrant available.  It was indeed very non-specific.  The warrant was basically to obtain any documentation which may have originated during Trump's 4 year presidency.  In other words, so non-specific as to be categorized as a witch hunt.  To drive this point home even further, the location of the documents had already been shown to the FBI 2 months prior (June) and Trump's team indicated at that time if they wanted to have them delivered for examination they need only make the request.  The FBI's response was merely to request an additional lock on the storage location.

We will likely never know the content of the material in question.  Revealing such information would presumably cause more damage to the country than having it stored at Mar-a-Lago, a fairly secure location I'm sure.  Regardless,
    1. Trump claims he declassified the documentation contained in the boxes (his authority to do so),
    2. Trump did not pack the boxes himself, so even he may not be fully aware of what they contained,
    3. The manner in which the raid was conducted leaves open the possibility additional documents were planted.  Something not entirely out of the realm of possibility due to the history and recent revelations as to the veracity of the FBI in regards to Trump.  The raid itself is evidence of this possibility due to the fact it was done in a very heavy handed manner, after the documents had previously been offered up for examination, under a process were zero transparency as the to legitimacy of anything discovered during the raid could be verified.  Every action conducted during the raid indicates the FBI planned the raid process to insure no misconduct on the part of the FBI agents could be proven.  However, by this same action they have guaranteed nothing the raid produced can be trusted.

The FBI and their conduct has only served to get more egg on the face of the FBI.  They have got to stop this "get Trump" at all costs and by all means strategy. Unfortunately nothing the FBI does can be believed and the more they attempt to use their charter as a weapon against their obvious political opponent (i.e. Trump), the worse they look.  At this point there is little choice left but to dismantle the FBI, put all of them out on the streets and create one or more new entities to carry out the functions chartered to the FBI. In many cases current FBI functions may be eliminated entirely if unnecessary.  Restructuring would be needed to insure Agency bias doesn't continue after it is dismantled.  This is the easier route than giving the FBI time to make corrections themselves.  The FBI has been given ample opportunities to correct itself and get back in line with their constitutional oath.  They have failed utterly and appear entirely tone-deaf to the damage their political bias has foistered upon the nation.

^^^^utter ****. 

https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-tea ... d-warrant/

i love this thing you call karma. 

Cultists lie for their leader. Soon y’all will be dying at his feet. 

 

[thelion]

Wow..LibDave really blasted the **** right out of your head with his reply.
How many hours will it take for your to get your head reloaded ..?

Too bad that literally everything libdave claimed is false to fact. 
 

[LibDave]

^^^^utter ****. 

https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-tea ... d-warrant/

i love this thing you call karma. 

Cultists lie for their leader. Soon y’all will be dying at his feet.

First, your post is from the NY Post.  Upgrade your sources.  Second, your post confirms everything I wrote.  It is a matter of time frame.  Trump was in NY during the raid and did not receive a copy of the warrant before or during the raid.  He requested his lawyer be given a copy and they refused (supposedly due to the sensitive nature of the raid).  She stated in an interview they "read here parts of the warrant then told her to remain outside the premises" while they conducted the raid.  Very suspect as normally raids encourage witnesses to the search.  And turning off the cameras?  You would think they would want a record.  Regardless, what about your  link contradicts the facts?

When asked what was in the warrant she couldn't fully recall saying only it was very non-specific.  Now that we have a copy of the warrant, given later to trump and made public as part of a request by Trump and others, we can see why she stated it seems very non-specific.  It encompassed ANY document from the time of the Trump Presidency.  That's pretty non-specific.  Appears they had no clue what they would find, just wanted to conduct an unjustified search hoping they could find something to justify the raid after the fact.

[Pastafarian]

First, your post is from the NY Post.  Upgrade your sources.  Second, your post confirms everything I wrote.  It is a matter of time frame.  Trump was in NY during the raid and did not receive a copy of the warrant before or during the raid.  He requested his lawyer be given a copy and they refused (supposedly due to the sensitive nature of the raid).  She stated in an interview they "read here parts of the warrant then told her to remain outside the premises" while they conducted the raid.  Very suspect as normally raids encourage witnesses to the search.  And turning off the cameras?  You would think they would want a record.  Regardless, what about your  link contradicts the facts?

^^^Denial for dear leader in action. 

 

[ScottMon]

Then how did Trump show his warrant to the press?
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-new-york ... nt-1732358

[Pastafarian]

First, your post is from the NY Post.  Upgrade your sources.  Second, your post confirms everything I wrote.  It is a matter of time frame.  Trump was in NY during the raid and did not receive a copy of the warrant before or during the raid.  He requested his lawyer be given a copy and they refused (supposedly due to the sensitive nature of the raid).  She stated in an interview they "read here parts of the warrant then told her to remain outside the premises" while they conducted the raid.  Very suspect as normally raids encourage witnesses to the search.  And turning off the cameras?  You would think they would want a record.  Regardless, what about your  link contradicts the facts?

This from a man who posted no sources only conjecture. 


 

[ScottMon]

You contention is incorrect.  Trump did not get a copy of the warrant prior to or during the raid.  

False.
Donald Trump Arrives in New York, Yet To Share FBI Warrant (newsweek.com)

[Pastafarian]

Then how did Trump show his warrant to the press?
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-new-york ... nt-1732358

Lying for dear leader is cult mentality. 

Trump once said what you’re seeing isn’t really happening and his cult hasn’t looked back since. 


 

[Deezer Shoove]

You contention is incorrect.  Trump did not get a copy of the warrant prior to or during the raid.  Even his attorney who arrived on the scene after the raid was underway was not given a copy of the warrant, nor was she allowed to observe the search, and they requested any cameras be turned off.  The cameras weren't turned off because no one who knew how they worked was there to turn them off.  I'm sure any surveillance system on the level of Mar-a-Lago has a backup if power is removed.  She was read the warrant verbally and told to leave the premises.  She indicated what she heard of the warrant wasn't very specific.

We now have the warrant available.  It was indeed very non-specific.  The warrant was basically to obtain any documentation which may have originated during Trump's 4 year presidency.  In other words, so non-specific as to be categorized as a witch hunt.  To drive this point home even further, the location of the documents had already been shown to the FBI 2 months prior (June) and Trump's team indicated at that time if they wanted to have them delivered for examination they need only make the request.  The FBI's response was merely to request an additional lock on the storage location.

We will likely never know the content of the material in question.  Revealing such information would presumably cause more damage to the country than having it stored at Mar-a-Lago, a fairly secure location I'm sure.  Regardless,
    1. Trump claims he declassified the documentation contained in the boxes (his authority to do so),
    2. Trump did not pack the boxes himself, so even he may not be fully aware of what they contained,
    3. The manner in which the raid was conducted leaves open the possibility additional documents were planted.  Something not entirely out of the realm of possibility due to the history and recent revelations as to the veracity of the FBI in regards to Trump.  The raid itself is evidence of this possibility due to the fact it was done in a very heavy handed manner, after the documents had previously been offered up for examination, under a process were zero transparency as the to legitimacy of anything discovered during the raid could be verified.  Every action conducted during the raid indicates the FBI planned the raid process to insure no misconduct on the part of the FBI agents could be proven.  However, by this same action they have guaranteed nothing the raid produced can be trusted.

The FBI and their conduct has only served to get more egg on the face of the FBI.  They have got to stop this "get Trump" at all costs and by all means strategy. Unfortunately nothing the FBI does can be believed and the more they attempt to use their charter as a weapon against their obvious political opponent (i.e. Trump), the worse they look.  At this point there is little choice left but to dismantle the FBI, put all of them out on the streets and create one or more new entities to carry out the functions chartered to the FBI. In many cases current FBI functions may be eliminated entirely if unnecessary.  Restructuring would be needed to insure Agency bias doesn't continue after it is dismantled.  This is the easier route than giving the FBI time to make corrections themselves.  The FBI has been given ample opportunities to correct itself and get back in line with their constitutional oath.  They have failed utterly and appear entirely tone-deaf to the damage their political bias has foistered upon the nation.

Number 3!, Number 3!!!

[LibDave]

Then how did Trump show his warrant to the press?
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-new-york ... nt-1732358

Like I said, the confusion may be a matter of time frame.  I stated very clearly Trump was not given a copy prior to or during the raid.

Trump requested over a phone call they give a copy to his attorney there on the scene.  They refused to give a copy to anyone other than Trump in person.  They finally agreed to read her some of the more important aspects of the warrant.  Therefore neither Trump nor his attorney initially had a copy.  He received a copy within 48 hours after the raid.  Trump and others on his team then requested they make the warrant (that they now had) public as well as the affidavits and such used to obtain the warrant.  The DOJ agreed to make the warrant public but has yet to make the affidavits and other information leading to the warrant public.  But just a reading of the warrant alone, it is apparent they weren't looking for anything specific.  If they were they would  have specifically listed it on the warrant as required by law.  When you file for a warrant you must provide the most complete description possible of the items being sought.  I don't think "any government documents dated between Jan 17 2017 and Jan 19 2021 is very specific.  Correct me if I am wrong.  They just wanted to look down the rabbit-hole to see what they could find... or plant.
 

[ScottMon]

Like I said, the confusion may be a matter of time frame.  I stated very clearly Trump was not given a copy prior to or during the raid.


 

You're quibbling at best.  I have a really hard time believing that Trump and CO weren't handed a copy of the warrant.

[LibDave]

You're quibbling at best.  I have a really hard time believing that Trump and CO weren't handed a copy of the warrant.

Its not quibbling.  It is just a verifiable fact.  Trump was in NY (and they knew that).  No family was at Mar-a-Lago, only staff.  Attorney was notified and went to MAL on Trump's behalf.  It shouldn't be all that surprising they wouldn't deal with anyone in regards to this matter.  What if it had been me or you who drove up saying I represent the President and want to get a copy of the warrant.  It is a sensitive matter they might not necessarily want others involved.  In any event, it is verifiable and a matter of record.  Trump and/or his team was delivered a physical copy within 48 hours of them concluding the raid.  Not really all that important.  Of more import is the warrant and what brought it about.  Apparently they didn't really know what they were looking for specifically.  All government documents/photos etc during the 4 years Trump was in office?  About as non-specific as you could get!!!  Now they "claim" they found a few classified documents (possibly nuclear in nature).  But the affidavits and the information used to obtain the warrant will indicate whether this was what they were looking for prior to the raid.  This is why they are important.

I'm familiar with classified documents and the nature of the classification process.  It doesn't appear much will come of it.  Precisely why the circumstances of the raid are all the more suspicious.  All appearances are this is just one more example of the witch hunt we call Trump Derangement Syndrome.
 
 

[GHETTO BLASTER]

Too bad that literally everything libdave claimed is false to fact.

Provide details

[Huey]

^^^^utter ****. 

https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/trump-tea ... d-warrant/

i love this thing you call karma. 

Cultists lie for their leader. Soon y’all will be dying at his feet.

From the article

Fox Business also reported Wednesday afternoon that Trump’s legal team is considering legal action to force the Justice Department to “turn over a physical copy of the search warrant, the affidavit, and a complete inventory of what was taken in the Mar-a-Lago raid.” It’s unclear if Trump would publicly release those records.

​​​​​​​If they have the physical copy why are they asking the Justice Department to turn it over?

[nuckin futz]

First, your post is from the NY Post.  Upgrade your sources.  Second, your post confirms everything I wrote.  It is a matter of time frame.  Trump was in NY during the raid and did not receive a copy of the warrant before or during the raid.  He requested his lawyer be given a copy and they refused (supposedly due to the sensitive nature of the raid).  She stated in an interview they "read here parts of the warrant then told her to remain outside the premises" while they conducted the raid.  Very suspect as normally raids encourage witnesses to the search.  And turning off the cameras?  You would think they would want a record.  Regardless, what about your  link contradicts the facts?

When asked what was in the warrant she couldn't fully recall saying only it was very non-specific.  Now that we have a copy of the warrant, given later to trump and made public as part of a request by Trump and others, we can see why she stated it seems very non-specific.  It encompassed ANY document from the time of the Trump Presidency.  That's pretty non-specific.  Appears they had no clue what they would find, just wanted to conduct an unjustified search hoping they could find something to justify the raid after the fact.

Trump had a lawyer?????  A real one?