Carl Sagan speaks of "God"

[Pastor Blast]

The whole argument about God and time is a strawman. Time does not apply to deities. It applies to matter and life. Humans constructed time, that's our thing. There doesn't have to be a beginning or an end applied to a deity, because time doesn't apply to them. What was time before humans even came around? There wasn't any. Non-existent.
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NONSENSE!
Time has existed from the beginning of the Universe, long before there were any humans, and it will exist after the last human has died.
You have no proof that time does not apply to God. Humans have an idea of time that is different from bears and whales and migratory fowl, but it exists, just ad dirt and the atmosphere exist.

And of course, anyone who destroyed the Universe would be unaware that they had done so, because they are a part of the Universe. That is the main point here.

If time didn't apply to an existence how would it exist?  If time doesn't apply to deities then they don't exist. QED.

[Bob]

Then, I suggest you invest in a lot of stuff today and sell it 5 year from now.  If you buy $100 worth of stuff today, it will be worth $328 in 5 years - more than triple your original investment!!!  If what you say is true, you are an idiot to pass up this opportunity.

   Grave yard space. The grave yards are running out of space and the price has been going up, a local area sports bar has been turned into a funeral home.

[Bob]

Nothing like a clip from a fictional movie to prove a point, Bob.

 History repeats the final solution, leaders have somehow decided that citizens need to die in order for the commune to survive.
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[Deezer Shoove]

I suggest that no one has ever been, is, or ever will be a "Master of Time".
Though the concept of Time Lords and The Tardus are an interesting topic for fiction.

Especially clever is the idea that the title and abilities of Dr Who can be transferred easily to a new actor. It prevents the title role actor from getting too greedy with his salary demands.

Masks on Lucha Libre competitors have a similar function.

In the quote I posted, Carl Sagan is being interviewed.  The exchange of words is precise and I would need more words to describe it to you than are used in the exchange. You have the right to ignore it and I reject the idea that I must spoon feed it to you because you are to effing lazy to click on it.

I rarely click links without any context.
If you're too **** lazy to establish that with an excerpt or opinion, don't complain about others being too lazy. You went to the effort to post it so nobody wants to look at it? Stupid...
 

[Skans]

   Grave yard space. The grave yards are running out of space and the price has been going up, a local area sports bar has been turned into a funeral home.

Actually, you may have something there. I've pondered this matter myself.  People should be allowed to be buried on their own land.  Only problem is, once you die, you don't own it anymore...................or, do you?

[Xavier_Onassis]

If your are dead, you cannot own land. But your relatives do.
If there are no local zoning regulations preventing it, then you can be buried on any land your heirs wish.

[DeplorablePatriot]

The whole argument about God and time is a strawman. Time does not apply to deities. It applies to matter and life. Humans constructed time, that's our thing. There doesn't have to be a beginning or an end applied to a deity, because time doesn't apply to them. What was time before humans even came around? There wasn't any. Non-existent.

Yeppers. Time is word only humans use...a measuring tool. No different than a "cup" of water.
And that tree that fell in the forest which no one can hear? It didn't happen.

[Vegas]

Yeppers. Time is word only humans use...a measuring tool. No different than a "cup" of water.
And that tree that fell in the forest which no one can hear? It didn't happen.

Bertrand Russel, my favorite philosopher, though he was an atheist, agreed that if there was a God, it would not be affected by mankind's construct of time. He said humans believing that the universe had a beginning, and that it would be impossible for it to never have a beginning, or an end, is a poverty of our imagination. 

[Xavier_Onassis]

OH LOOKY!!

@Xavier_Onassis  posts more nonsensical drivel that PROVES he is a MORON!!

SO you are saying what here?? There is NO GOD or there is one and "time" doesn't apply??

There is no conclusive proof that God exists. It is also impossible to prove that he does not.\
However, the God in the Christian tradition is presented in an extremely contradictory way.
Christians are urged to be "God-fearing" people. And yet, they also claim that "God is Love".
So a good Christians should fear love?
And then there is the contradiction between the Old Testament, which is clearly monotheistic, and the New, which claims that  God is a Trinity: there are things that God the Father knows, but somehow hides from the Son, such as the day and time of the Second Coming.

Most Christians are generally good people, but they would probably be just as good if they were atheists or agnostics. They avoid thinking very deeply about the philosophical contradictions.

Time seems to ALWAYS apply. It may not always apply in the same way outside the Earth's environment.

So that is what I am saying.

[ROG62]

Hey, Bobby, if you are paying good money for "expensive paperwork", I've got a freaking great deal for you!!!  Venmo me "SkansGuns" $500 to 771-273-4588, text me your address and I will send you BOXES of paperwork.  Expensive paperwork!!!

Oh, it's not  my cell phone, but my wife's - if she asks, just tell her I'm cleaning out her storage cabinet.

   

[Vegas]

Time seems to ALWAYS apply. 


 

This is still up for debate. Time isn't even defined outside the human definition. 

[ROG62]

What if I discover a way to annihilate the entire universe using copious amounts of anti-matter?  Would that not also destroy time?

If you annihilate all humanity on this planet, it will in of itself destroy time...
 

[Beekeeper]

There is no conclusive proof that God exists. It is also impossible to prove that he does not.\
However, the God in the Christian tradition is presented in an extremely contradictory way.
Christians are urged to be "God-fearing" people. And yet, they also claim that "God is Love".
So a good Christians should fear love?
And then there is the contradiction between the Old Testament, which is clearly monotheistic, and the New, which claims that  God is a Trinity: there are things that God the Father knows, but somehow hides from the Son, such as the day and time of the Second Coming.

Most Christians are generally good people, but they would probably be just as good if they were atheists or agnostics. They avoid thinking very deeply about the philosophical contradictions.

Time seems to ALWAYS apply. It may not always apply in the same way outside the Earth's environment.

So that is what I am saying.

Yes, dorkbreath, there is MORE than conclusive proof that God exists. YOUR problem is like God says, you are WAY to busy to try to prove he DOESN'T that you fail to see the PROOF!! Your hate for Him means your entire mind, body, and soul are CLOSED to his being and OPEN for the EVIL that Satan offers in your DENYING GOD EXISTS!! You know, like SATAN tells you there is NO GOD.

And the trinity of God the Father, The Son, and the Holy ghost is NOT a contradiction of monotheism, but an understanding that God is ALL things to ALL people for those who believe. Christ, the Son of God was never told the time of his 2nd coming. IF you understood the REASONING BEHIND IT, you would be "smart", but since your HATE OF GOD is so evident, you would NEVER understand that Christ was speaking in a parable that was a DIRECT EXAMPLE of how and when a Galilean Wedding was held. Where ONLY the father of the groom knows the TIME AND PLACE for his son to take his bride. AND that the PREPARATION before hand is to "be ready", for only the Father knows the time and place for that "Wedding" to occur. It far less a lesson in WHY Jesus didn't know the "time or place" of the second coming, but a WARNING for you to BE READY regardless since YOU know not the time or place of His return!!

And since you think that Christians are taught to "fear God" is what we believe, but God's love is another contradictions. Christians understand that YOU living in SIN should be the one FEARING GOD and the Scriptures say as much. It isn't the CHRISTIAN that is in fear, for through Christ, all our sins are forgiven BY GOD's LOVE for us. But YOUR SINS, having never been confessed, are the ones YOU have to be fearful of GOD'S great white throne judgement and what YOUR outcome is going to be. WE as those born again in Christ, understand that God is LOVE for us since our sins have been confessed and asked to be forgiven. WE KNOW that love abounds as we walk through THIS life and know that an ETERNAL LIFE without pain or heartbreak will be ours.

So you see, Dr. Brokeback, YOUR SIN is what YOU need to fear having to ANSWER TO GOD for it one day!! And your entire diatribe of HATE FOR GOD is why you will NEVER see the reward that awaits those who believe. As far as "proof" God exists, its there, since your EYES BLINDED BY EVIL AND HATE FROM SATAN are closed, but when they are opened to the POSSIBILITY THAT GOD IS REAL and lives today.

But you keep going like you are. And on the day you die, you'll discover the TRUTH and unfortunately, it will be TOO LATE to "change your mind" since that EVIL that lives inside by YOUR VERY DENIAL OF GOD, is what you'll have to atone for on that Judgement day.
 
 

[Xavier_Onassis]

This is still up for debate. Time isn't even defined outside the human definition.

What a silly statement!  The human definition of time is quite adequate for nearly every purpose. So after spending a lot of time in space, an astronaut returns to Earth and we learn that his age has changed by microseconds to his twin who has not left Earth. Big effing deal.
This is like saying "This is a chair. It's purpose is for humans to sit in.", and then saying, well that definition is inadequate: what is the definition of the chair according to the teensy mites that inhabit your eyebrows?  Or according to the nesting robins in the tree outside your door?


 

[Vegas]

What a silly statement!  The human definition of time is quite adequate for nearly every purpose. So after spending a lot of time in space, an astronaut returns to Earth and we learn that his age has changed by microseconds to his twin who has not left Earth. Big effing deal.
This is like saying "This is a chair. It's purpose is for humans to sit in.", and then saying, well that definition is inadequate: what is the definition of the chair according to the teensy mites that inhabit your eyebrows?  Or according to the nesting robins in the tree outside your door?

This is typical of someone who cannot think outside their own mind. Time is an abstract construct that we humans came up with. 

Before humans existed, there was no time within the definition that we have established. When speaking of time, in the context of the universe, it has to be within different scope than what we humans have applied. Humans are not the center of the universe, sorry to say. We don't know everything...though you probably think you do. 

[Xavier_Onassis]

Humans did not invent time. At most, they devised a way of looking at time. It was not as rational as later human developments, hence the arbitrary divisions of the day into 24 hours, rather than ten, or a hundred, hours, and the hour into sixty minutes, rather than a hundred. Base ten is of course based on the fact that we have ten fingers and ten toes. The Assyrians came up with sixty minutes and later this resulted i dividing the minutes into sixty seconds.

It would have been convenient for there to have been precisely ten lunar months in a year of a hundred or perhaps a thousand days. But it turns out that there are 365¼ days in a year, and there are more than 12 lunar cycles in a solar cycle.

Time has existed at least as long as the Universe. It exists independently from human beings, bears, whales and mayflies.

[Vegas]

Humans did not invent time. At most, they devised a way of looking at time. It was not as rational as later human developments, hence the arbitrary divisions of the day into 24 hours, rather than ten, or a hundred, hours, and the hour into sixty minutes, rather than a hundred. Base ten is of course based on the fact that we have ten fingers and ten toes. The Assyrians came up with sixty minutes and later this resulted i dividing the minutes into sixty seconds.

It would have been convenient for there to have been precisely ten lunar months in a year of a hundred or perhaps a thousand days. But it turns out that there are 365¼ days in a year, and there are more than 12 lunar cycles in a solar cycle.

Time has existed at least as long as the Universe. It exists independently from human beings, bears, whales and mayflies.

I never said time never existed. I said it exists under a different scope of what we humans constructed. Your whole point ^^^ 100% agrees with what I said. 

[DeplorablePatriot]

Bertrand Russel, my favorite philosopher, though he was an atheist, agreed that if there was a God, it would not be affected by mankind's construct of time. He said humans believing that the universe had a beginning, and that it would be impossible for it to never have a beginning, or an end, is a poverty of our imagination.

Poverty of our imagination...I like the phrase. And I agree. This I agree with as well; claiming that there is or is not an intellectual (as we know it) power beyond mortals, is actually more poverty of imagination. I don't attest to either. I do, however, have comfort with my thought that "why does it matter?"

[Vegas]

Poverty of our imagination...I like the phrase. And I agree. This I agree with as well; claiming that there is or is not an intellectual (as we know it) power beyond mortals, is actually more poverty of imagination. I don't attest to either. I do, however, have comfort with my thought that "why does it matter?"

I stole that from Russel. LOL! It was in his book "Why I am not a Christain." I am not an atheist, he is. However, he was one of the most brilliant philosopher and mathematician we have had. 

[Xavier_Onassis]

Yes, dorkbreath, there is MORE than conclusive proof that God exists. YOUR problem is like God says, you are WAY to busy to try to prove he DOESN'T that you fail to see the PROOF!! Your hate for Him means your entire mind, body, and soul are CLOSED to his being and OPEN for the EVIL that Satan offers in your DENYING GOD EXISTS!! You know, like SATAN tells you there is NO GOD.

And the trinity of God the Father, The Son, and the Holy ghost is NOT a contradiction of monotheism, but an understanding that God is ALL things to ALL people for those who believe. Christ, the Son of God was never told the time of his 2nd coming. IF you understood the REASONING BEHIND IT, you would be "smart", but since your HATE OF GOD is so evident, you would NEVER understand that Christ was speaking in a parable that was a DIRECT EXAMPLE of how and when a Galilean Wedding was held. Where ONLY the father of the groom knows the TIME AND PLACE for his son to take his bride. AND that the PREPARATION before hand is to "be ready", for only the Father knows the time and place for that "Wedding" to occur. It far less a lesson in WHY Jesus didn't know the "time or place" of the second coming, but a WARNING for you to BE READY regardless since YOU know not the time or place of His return!!

And since you think that Christians are taught to "fear God" is what we believe, but God's love is another contradictions. Christians understand that YOU living in SIN should be the one FEARING GOD and the Scriptures say as much. It isn't the CHRISTIAN that is in fear, for through Christ, all our sins are forgiven BY GOD's LOVE for us. But YOUR SINS, having never been confessed, are the ones YOU have to be fearful of GOD'S great white throne judgement and what YOUR outcome is going to be. WE as those born again in Christ, understand that God is LOVE for us since our sins have been confessed and asked to be forgiven. WE KNOW that love abounds as we walk through THIS life and know that an ETERNAL LIFE without pain or heartbreak will be ours.

So you see, Dr. Brokeback, YOUR SIN is what YOU need to fear having to ANSWER TO GOD for it one day!! And your entire diatribe of HATE FOR GOD is why you will NEVER see the reward that awaits those who believe. As far as "proof" God exists, its there, since your EYES BLINDED BY EVIL AND HATE FROM SATAN are closed, but when they are opened to the POSSIBILITY THAT GOD IS REAL and lives today.

But you keep going like you are. And on the day you die, you'll discover the TRUTH and unfortunately, it will be TOO LATE to "change your mind" since that EVIL that lives inside by YOUR VERY DENIAL OF GOD, is what you'll have to atone for on that Judgement day.

You are a very good example of someone who has overdosed on sermons.
Very seriously overdosed.