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I advocate for AI to a degree. It has, and still does, amazing things for humanity. Especially in the field of medicine. It can be used for a tremendous amount of good. However, I am seeing humanity going in the wrong direction with it. Just this morning, I heard on the radio that some radio stations across the nation will be using ChatGPT for their DJs. They played an example of it. You can tell it's a computer, but it's still human like. They will improve on it to the point where it will be so good that it will have become indistinguishable. No DJs will be needed. Thus, less expensive. TikTok seems to already be training society to get used to these kinds of voices. 

What direction will this go? Will it get to the point where if a chatGPT, or any other AI, can eliminate a job, then it will? Students, in college and high school, are loving it all. It writes papers for them. Soon, society may substitute real social connections with AI bots. This will slowly decay and dull our minds to the point where any critical thinking will be a thing of the past. 

The decline has begun. 
 

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Luddite pessimist. There will be people that lose their jobs, those that lose their ambition. Same was true for calligraphers, whale hunters, telegraph operators in years past. Radio and television and videogames reduced work ethics for many. AI is a tool. Any tool can be abused or misused.

it's potential for betterment of humanity surpasses any growing pains that might come with it. 
 

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Neo » 29 Mar 2023, 12:46 pm » wrote: Luddite pessimist. There will be people that lose their jobs, those that lose their ambition. Same was true for calligraphers, whale hunters, telegraph operators in years past. Radio and television and videogames reduced work ethics for many. AI is a tool. Any tool can be abused or misused.

It's more than just a tool. A tool is used to make things easier, better, and more efficient. Yes, AI qualifies for that. However, there is another component that AI has that makes it more than just a tool. It can socialize and think for us. The other tools make thinking easier, but it doesn't serve as a complete substitution for it. Why apply critical thinking when AI can do that for us? AI can make humans the tool for them. 

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Vegas » 29 Mar 2023, 12:50 pm » wrote: It's more than just a tool. A tool is used to make things easier, better, and more efficient. Yes, AI qualifies for that. However, there is another component that AI has that makes it more than just a tool. It can socialize and think for us. The other tools make thinking easier, but it doesn't serve as a complete substitution for it. Why apply critical thinking when AI can do that for us? AI can make humans the tool for them.
No, it cannot think for us. It's artificial. It's using existing human created data to generate a response. There are serious concerns, such as filters already obviously already in place driving politically correct responses. Ask chatgpt about Donald Trump and it refuses to answer. Ask about Biden and it returns some glowing butt kissing. 
 

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Neo » 29 Mar 2023, 1:09 pm » wrote: No, it cannot think for us. It's artificial. It's using existing human created data to generate a response. There are serious concerns, such as filters already obviously already in place driving politically correct responses. Ask chatgpt about Donald Trump and it refuses to answer. Ask about Biden and it returns some glowing butt kissing.

Yes, it can. Artificial or not. It doesn't think the same as we do, but it thinks. That's the point of the 'intelligence' part in 'artificial intelligence.' It displays intelligence. 

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AI is the beginning of a new period in human history. It certainly is not the end of humanity.

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Vegas » 29 Mar 2023, 1:12 pm » wrote: Yes, it can. Artificial or not. It doesn't think the same as we do, but it thinks. That's the point of the 'intelligence' part in 'artificial intelligence.' It displays intelligence.
I am in the field. It does not display intelligence. It's quite artificial. Getting better but ai will never think, it will always reference and compare data sets. The only opinions it develops are those programmed in. 
 

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Xavier_Onassis » 29 Mar 2023, 1:12 pm » wrote: AI is the beginning of a new period in human history. It certainly is not the end of humanity.

The only thing that separates humans from the rest of the animals is our ability to think rationally. Nothing else. Otherwise, we would be just as primitive as the rest of the mammals. Our ability to think rationally can deteriorate like anything else. Not overnight. It would take generations for that to occur. However, if that is the trajectory that we allow AI to go, then our existence will be tantamount to the rest of the mammals. 

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Vegas » 29 Mar 2023, 1:16 pm » wrote: The only thing that separates humans from the rest of the animals is our ability to think rationally. Nothing else. Otherwise, we would be just as primitive as the rest of the mammals. Our ability to think rationally can deteriorate like anything else. Not overnight. It would take generations for that to occur. However, if that is the trajectory that we allow AI to go, then our existence will be tantamount to the rest of the mammals.
I don't know about this evil Ai?
but so far all that i have seen.. shopping? The thing doesn't know it's arss from it's elbow. :lol:  
 

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Vegas » 29 Mar 2023, 12:29 pm » wrote: I advocate for AI to a degree. It has, and still does, amazing things for humanity. Especially in the field of medicine.

 
Well, if no one is going to give me a red nuclear button so I can destroy Russia, China and whatever other **** country I want to destroy, then please give me AI, so that I can use it to move Joe's arthritic finger to press the stupid button.

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Neo » 29 Mar 2023, 1:16 pm » wrote: I am in the field. It does not display intelligence. It's quite artificial. Getting better but ai will never think, it will always reference and compare data sets. The only opinions it develops are those programmed in.

I am also in the field. You need to think outside the algorithms. Here is the definition of intelligence: 
the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.
Here is the definition of 'thinking': 
The process of using one's mind to consider or reason about something.

AI can do both. I don't care if it's artificial. It can do both. 

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Vegas » 29 Mar 2023, 1:16 pm » wrote: The only thing that separates humans from the rest of the animals is our ability to think rationally. Nothing else. Otherwise, we would be just as primitive as the rest of the mammals. Our ability to think rationally can deteriorate like anything else. Not overnight. It would take generations for that to occur. However, if that is the trajectory that we allow AI to go, then our existence will be tantamount to the rest of the mammals.
It is more than being able to reason, of course, it is the ability for one generation to WRITE DOWN what it has learned and to pass it on to following generations.
The mother bear passes on how to catch salmon, but the grandmother bear and great great grandmother bear may have learned how to survive a forest fire or a flood and could NOT pass it on to the three generations that followed her.

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Neo » 29 Mar 2023, 1:16 pm » wrote: I am in the field. It does not display intelligence. It's quite artificial. Getting better but ai will never think, it will always reference and compare data sets. The only opinions it develops are those programmed in.
So, you disagree with this statement ?
and you down play the risk?
and could your opinion be tied to your lively hood?


The letter, issued by the non-profit Future of Life Institute, has been signed by more than 1,100 individuals, including Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, Stability AI founder and CEO Emad Mostaque, and engineers from Meta and Google, among others.They argue that AI systems with human-competitive intelligence can pose “profound risks to society and humanity,” and change the “history of life on Earth,” citing extensive research on the issue and acknowledgments by “top AI labs.”Experts go on to state that there is currently limited planning and management regarding Advanced AI systems despite companies in recent months being “locked in an out-of-control race to develop and deploy ever more powerful digital minds that no one—not even their creators—can understand, predict, or reliably control.”“Contemporary AI systems are now becoming human-competitive at general tasks and we must ask ourselves: Should we let machines flood our information channels with propaganda and untruth? Should we automate away all the jobs, including the fulfilling ones? Should we develop nonhuman minds that might eventually outnumber, outsmart, obsolete, and replace us? Should we risk loss of control of our civilization? Such decisions must not be delegated to unelected tech leaders,” the letter states.

 
 

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Is this Ai? none the less- it is one fun video. Man verses machine. It may be theatrics. Image  It has a nasty attitude. LOLOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv6op2HHIuM
 
 

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It is machine theatrics, that demonstrates that a machine can do some things better than a human.

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Xavier_Onassis » 29 Mar 2023, 1:29 pm » wrote: It is more than being able to reason, of course, it is the ability for one generation to WRITE DOWN what it has learned and to pass it on to following generations.
 
Which requires reasoning. 
The mother bear passes on how to catch salmon, but the grandmother bear and great great grandmother bear may have learned how to survive a forest fire or a flood and could NOT pass it on to the three generations that followed her.
Because they can't reason how. 

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Xavier_Onassis » 29 Mar 2023, 1:35 pm » wrote: It is machine theatrics, that demonstrates that a machine can do some things better than a human.

You clearly have no idea about AI. Go educate yourself first, then respond. 

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Vegas » 29 Mar 2023, 12:29 pm » wrote: I advocate for AI to a degree. It has, and still does, amazing things for humanity. Especially in the field of medicine. It can be used for a tremendous amount of good. However, I am seeing humanity going in the wrong direction with it. Just this morning, I heard on the radio that some radio stations across the nation will be using ChatGPT for their DJs. They played an example of it. You can tell it's a computer, but it's still human like. They will improve on it to the point where it will be so good that it will have become indistinguishable. No DJs will be needed. Thus, less expensive. TikTok seems to already be training society to get used to these kinds of voices. 

What direction will this go? Will it get to the point where if a chatGPT, or any other AI, can eliminate a job, then it will? Students, in college and high school, are loving it all. It writes papers for them. Soon, society may substitute real social connections with AI bots. This will slowly decay and dull our minds to the point where any critical thinking will be a thing of the past. 

The decline has begun.
That is just scratching the surface .....of the ethical debate ....that isn't being debated in a rush for profit.
like how will AI in conjunction with Robotics make the need for huge populations of laborer's obsolete and how will that affect government attitudes toward population control?

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Majik » 29 Mar 2023, 1:29 pm » wrote: So, you disagree with this statement ?
and you down play the risk?
and could your opinion be tied to your lively hood?

The letter, issued by the non-profit Future of Life Institute, has been signed by more than 1,100 individuals, including Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, Stability AI founder and CEO Emad Mostaque, and engineers from Meta and Google, among others.They argue that AI systems with human-competitive intelligence can pose “profound risks to society and humanity,” and change the “history of life on Earth,” citing extensive research on the issue and acknowledgments by “top AI labs.”Experts go on to state that there is currently limited planning and management regarding Advanced AI systems despite companies in recent months being “locked in an out-of-control race to develop and deploy ever more powerful digital minds that no one—not even their creators—can understand, predict, or reliably control.”“Contemporary AI systems are now becoming human-competitive at general tasks and we must ask ourselves: Should we let machines flood our information channels with propaganda and untruth? Should we automate away all the jobs, including the fulfilling ones? Should we develop nonhuman minds that might eventually outnumber, outsmart, obsolete, and replace us? Should we risk loss of control of our civilization? Such decisions must not be delegated to unelected tech leaders,” the letter states.
Obviously we need to have limits in place. I agree with the concerns. Deep fakes generated by AI would be indistinguishable from real footage as the usual giveaways would be removed. We are certainly in an age where anything you do not personally witness first hand should be met with some skepticism. Tests will have to be monitored real time. Controls over things like infrastructure should always have a human at the switch. 
 

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