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Instead of definitions, let's talk functions.

Look at the materials required to construct a solar panel.They cost about $200.00. Add a day's labor to that $200.00, and you've got yourself a solar panel. You could sell iffor $400.00, and you've got yourself a job. So, why isn't anyone doing it?We live in a free enterprise economy, do we not?

Not.

We live in a capitalist economy, which games the system to PREVENT free enterprise. You are not allowed to sell your solar panels without a stamp of approval from Underwriters Laboratories -and they are gate keepers for Wall Street.The cost of shaking hands with UL prevents free enterprisers from operating in that market -and the same thing is going on in almost every market. The little guy is locked out by the engineered and manipulated expense of sitting at the table - locked out. Only Wall Streeters, using OTHER PEOPLES' capital, can afford to play in the game.

We need to go back to a free enterprise economy, where the little guy does not face unsurmountable obstacles to starting a small business.

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Here is capitalism for you: http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/05/02/this ... over-6-30/
A Pennsylvania judge has ruled against a widow whose home was sold at a tax auction in 2011 after she failed to pay $6.30 in unpaid interest.

Eileen Battisti’s home was sold in September 2011 over the unpaid interest, despite Battisti’s claims that she paid everything that she thought she had to pay.

I paid everything, and didn’t know about the $6.30,” said Battisti. “For the house to be sold just because of $6.30 is crazy.”Beaver County Judge Gus Kwidis handed down his ruling last week, maintaining his belief that Battisti had been given ample notice to pay the money, which in full was $235 including other fees and accrued interest.
What a prick of a judge, and a bank. This is how bad the fusion of government and capitalism has become in America. :twisted:

Social well being and compassion for those in bad straights is viewed as far less important than giving banks money, or foreclosing on people and destroying their lives.

But given half the chance, many legislators would have America turned into a fascist state, where corporations can do whatever they like and crush all competition. Fascism of the Mussolini definition, already exists in areas like Agriculture, with the FDA basically eating out of Monsanto's hand while crushing small farmers.

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You're a **** idiot!!!

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KiwiPete » 02 May 2014 11:04 pm » wrote:Here is capitalism for you: http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/05/02/this ... over-6-30/
What a prick of a judge, and a bank. This is how bad the fusion of government and capitalism has become in America. :twisted:

Social well being and compassion for those in bad straights is viewed as far less important than giving banks money, or foreclosing on people and destroying their lives.

But given half the chance, many legislators would have America turned into a fascist state, where corporations can do whatever they like and crush all competition. Fascism of the Mussolini definition, already exists in areas like Agriculture, with the FDA basically eating out of Monsanto's hand while crushing small farmers.
That sounds like petty government bureaucracy, not capitalism. She needs to sue someone.

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tharock220 » 02 May 2014 11:06 pm » wrote:You're a **** idiot!!!
Read Naomi Wolf, and you might learn what fascism means, or read Mussolini, this quote is as succinct as it gets:

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Cannonpointer » 02 May 2014 11:10 pm » wrote:
That sounds like petty government bureaucracy, not capitalism. She needs to sue someone.
It is capitalism, as tax debts are put above human welfare by the government, and the financial community.

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Cannonpointer » 02 May 2014 10:35 pm » wrote:Instead of definitions, let's talk functions.

Look at the materials required to construct a solar panel.They cost about $200.00. Add a day's labor to that $200.00, and you've got yourself a solar panel. You could sell iffor $400.00, and you've got yourself a job. So, why isn't anyone doing it?We live in a free enterprise economy, do we not?

Not.

We live in a capitalist economy, which games the system to PREVENT free enterprise. You are not allowed to sell your solar panels without a stamp of approval from Underwriters Laboratories -and they are gate keepers for Wall Street.The cost of shaking hands with UL prevents free enterprisers from operating in that market -and the same thing is going on in almost every market. The little guy is locked out by the engineered and manipulated expense of sitting at the table - locked out. Only Wall Streeters, using OTHER PEOPLES' capital, can afford to play in the game.

We need to go back to a free enterprise economy, where the little guy does not face unsurmountable obstacles to starting a small business.
OMGOSH!!!! Cannonpointer FINALLY realizing that government regulation is used to consolidate corporate power???????

Prepare for the 2nd coming!!!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Str8tEdge » 03 May 2014 7:20 am » wrote: OMGOSH!!!! Cannonpointer FINALLY realizing that government regulation is used to consolidate corporate power???????

Prepare for the 2nd coming!!!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Yes but to be clear, the "government regulation" does not originate with the government but from the corporate world. In other words, the government is a tool of the American capitalist system to get what it wants.

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Cannonpointer » 02 May 2014 10:35 pm » wrote:Instead of definitions, let's talk functions.

Look at the materials required to construct a solar panel.They cost about $200.00. Add a day's labor to that $200.00, and you've got yourself a solar panel. You could sell iffor $400.00, and you've got yourself a job. So, why isn't anyone doing it?We live in a free enterprise economy, do we not?

Not.

We live in a capitalist economy, which games the system to PREVENT free enterprise. You are not allowed to sell your solar panels without a stamp of approval from Underwriters Laboratories -and they are gate keepers for Wall Street.The cost of shaking hands with UL prevents free enterprisers from operating in that market -and the same thing is going on in almost every market. The little guy is locked out by the engineered and manipulated expense of sitting at the table - locked out. Only Wall Streeters, using OTHER PEOPLES' capital, can afford to play in the game.

We need to go back to a free enterprise economy, where the little guy does not face unsurmountable obstacles to starting a small business.
Buy the solar panel made here and it lasts decades. Buy it from China and you're lucky it works at all!
Does China have an UL equivalent? I didn't think so.....

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Nubber » 03 May 2014 9:52 am » wrote:
Yes but to be clear, the "government regulation" does not originate with the government but from the corporate world. In other words, the government is a tool of the American capitalist system to get what it wants.
This is the fascism I have been ranting about for years now!

The corporation is the tail wagging the dog of govenment.

You libertarians get it bass ackwards!

Always ranting about big government, on and on.

Nurse Rached, I thought you had been banned by now.
Or locked up in the nut house you work at.

But don't fret, I am not after you anymore, but the Potty Patrol may be! :\

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Cannonpointer » 02 May 2014 10:35 pm » wrote:Instead of definitions, let's talk functions.

Look at the materials required to construct a solar panel.They cost about $200.00. Add a day's labor to that $200.00, and you've got yourself a solar panel. You could sell iffor $400.00, and you've got yourself a job. So, why isn't anyone doing it?We live in a free enterprise economy, do we not?

Not.

We live in a capitalist economy, which games the system to PREVENT free enterprise. You are not allowed to sell your solar panels without a stamp of approval from Underwriters Laboratories -and they are gate keepers for Wall Street.The cost of shaking hands with UL prevents free enterprisers from operating in that market -and the same thing is going on in almost every market. The little guy is locked out by the engineered and manipulated expense of sitting at the table - locked out. Only Wall Streeters, using OTHER PEOPLES' capital, can afford to play in the game.

We need to go back to a free enterprise economy, where the little guy does not face unsurmountable obstacles to starting a small business.
Can't do it CP. Let me put it to you the way the National Electrical Code put's it to me as an electrical contractor. Every electrical device manufactured in the US, as well as most countries requires them to be "Listed". The definition of listed in the NEC reads as follows:

Article 100: Definitions;

"Equipment, materials, or services included in a list by an organization ( UL, NEMA ) that is acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction and concerned with evaluation of products and services, that maintains periodic inspection of production of listed equipment or materials or periodic evaluation of services, and whose listing states that the equipment, material, or services either meets appropriate designated standards or has been tested and found suitable for a specified purpose."

In other words anything I install at a customers home or place of business has to meet UL, or NEMA rated specifications to legally be installed and pass an inspection by the local or state electrical inspector ( Authority having jurisdiction ). If I were to install anything that didn't meet that criteria I can be held civilly, and or criminally liable if something goes wrong. Not to mention lose my Master electricians license, and contractors license. If you want to make your own solar panels and install them on your own property, it may be permitted, but if something goes wrong, your home owners or business property insurance won't pay for any damages that arise.

The NEC is part of NFPA 70 which all fire departments and electrical inspectors go by. They don't want anything electrical manufactured that isn't uniformly built the same way. It applies to every electrical device manufactured, receptacles, switches, motors, fixtures, you name it. And you're right, it makes the competition very stiff when estimating and submitting bids for jobs.

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Nubber » 03 May 2014 9:52 am » wrote: Yes but to be clear, the "government regulation" does not originate with the government but from the corporate world. In other words, the government is a tool of the American capitalist system to get what it wants.
So when did the tide turn? When did elected officials decide to side with corporations in favor of laborers and consumers? I say Reagan changed all that.

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greatnpowerfuloz » 03 May 2014 5:43 pm » wrote:
So when did the tide turn? When did elected officials decide to side with corporations in favor of laborers and consumers? I say Reagan changed all that.
and the rich have been getting unimaginably richer ever since.
to the detriment of everyone else

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Cannonpointer » 02 May 2014 10:35 pm » wrote:Instead of definitions, let's talk functions.

Look at the materials required to construct a solar panel.They cost about $200.00. Add a day's labor to that $200.00, and you've got yourself a solar panel. You could sell iffor $400.00, and you've got yourself a job. So, why isn't anyone doing it?We live in a free enterprise economy, do we not?

Not.

We live in a capitalist economy, which games the system to PREVENT free enterprise. You are not allowed to sell your solar panels without a stamp of approval from Underwriters Laboratories -and they are gate keepers for Wall Street.The cost of shaking hands with UL prevents free enterprisers from operating in that market -and the same thing is going on in almost every market. The little guy is locked out by the engineered and manipulated expense of sitting at the table - locked out. Only Wall Streeters, using OTHER PEOPLES' capital, can afford to play in the game.

We need to go back to a free enterprise economy, where the little guy does not face unsurmountable obstacles to starting a small business.
Can't somebody just make the panels themselves? Don't people do that all the time? Does UL have a requirement to be involved? It becomes and issue when you try to sell stuff to others.

The taxes incurred are first and foremost.
The guise for other restrictions has to be public safety.
Then comes the fraud and restitution, the crooked side.

The order listed is important only for the first item. Everything else is tied at a distant second. UL seems too cozy with the gov. and Wall St. after all these years.

Jus' sayin' :\

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greatnpowerfuloz » 03 May 2014 5:43 pm » wrote: So when did the tide turn? When did elected officials decide to side with corporations in favor of laborers and consumers? I say Reagan changed all that.
Elected officials decided to side with corporations when corporations started buying elections. Before the 17th amendment, it was impossible for special interest money to invest in Senate campaigns.

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Cannonpointer » 02 May 2014 10:35 pm » wrote:Instead of definitions, let's talk functions.

Look at the materials required to construct a solar panel.They cost about $200.00. Add a day's labor to that $200.00, and you've got yourself a solar panel. You could sell iffor $400.00, and you've got yourself a job. So, why isn't anyone doing it?We live in a free enterprise economy, do we not?

Not.

We live in a capitalist economy, which games the system to PREVENT free enterprise. You are not allowed to sell your solar panels without a stamp of approval from Underwriters Laboratories -and they are gate keepers for Wall Street.The cost of shaking hands with UL prevents free enterprisers from operating in that market -and the same thing is going on in almost every market. The little guy is locked out by the engineered and manipulated expense of sitting at the table - locked out. Only Wall Streeters, using OTHER PEOPLES' capital, can afford to play in the game.

We need to go back to a free enterprise economy, where the little guy does not face unsurmountable obstacles to starting a small business.
WTF are you talking about? i got solar dealers from all over the country banging down my door constantly wanting me to become a dealer. IT'S BS! there's no commercial market and it's not worth it for a residential property owner..............

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KiwiPete » 02 May 2014 11:04 pm » wrote:Here is capitalism for you: http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/05/02/this ... over-6-30/ What a prick of a judge, and a bank. This is how bad the fusion of government and capitalism has become in America. :twisted:

Social well being and compassion for those in bad straights is viewed as far less important than giving banks money, or foreclosing on people and destroying their lives.

But given half the chance, many legislators would have America turned into a fascist state, where corporations can do whatever they like and crush all competition. Fascism of the Mussolini definition, already exists in areas like Agriculture, with the FDA basically eating out of Monsanto's hand while crushing small farmers.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
You blame capitalism for this instead of corruption. The judge should have given her a chance to pay for it.

But you do not want to look at reality of what capitalism really is. You just want to look at things like this and blame what is blameless.

Real capitalism is businesses competing with each other on a level playing field that government is supposed to produce. The problem is that nothing is leveled by the Democrats. Businesses are leaving to go to where they get a more level playing field. Keep in mind that a judge is not a business. Therefore that reprehensibly act has nothing to do with Capitalism.

WHY ARE LIBERALS SO
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Lostphoenix » 03 May 2014 6:10 pm » wrote: and the rich have been getting unimaginably richer ever since.
to the detriment of everyone else
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
The problem is you think the money is a zero sum game which is not true. When businesses are operating in a normal way the amount of money grows. The businesses make money and pay more employees and as long as this goes on there is more and more money. When this is killed by the government like now the money shrinks because people are losing jobs, businesses shrink, and businesses go into a turtle mode pulling in to a safe protective mode to stay in business. In this mode many businesses fail. Money shrinks.

Of course there is a problem that this administration keeps on doing what kills businesses and jobs. Raising taxes and spending. The best way to keep a depression or resession going by looking at history. FDR, Carter, and now Obama have used this method. All other Depressions and Recessions ended within 6 months to 2 years if the government did nothing or lowered taxes and spending. Of course all liberals never ever want to look at history.

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Nubber » 03 May 2014 9:52 am » wrote: Yes but to be clear, the "government regulation" does not originate with the government but from the corporate world. In other words, the government is a tool of the American capitalist system to get what it wants.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
OH GOODY!!!! ANOTHER CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!!!!

Lets have the facts to back up this theory. Do you have the under the table payoffs for this or is there other credible methods of the transactions????? How do they give the laws to be created to the people in congress. How deep does this go to be able have all of the needed congressmen to be able vote for these laws????? How long has this been going on??????? All the way back to the Constitutional Convention or later??????? Facts and more facts please!!!!!!!!

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