Capitlism vs. Free Enterprise

[Fuelman]

Yes but to be clear, the "government regulation" does not originate with the government but from the corporate world. In other words, the government is a tool of the American capitalist system to get what it wants.

?? Sure, the coal industry has the EPA right where they want them??

If you see the Nature Nazi's as a corporation, then I might buy that,,,,,,

[Fuelman]

The short answer is no. You cannot negate state and local laws, or the installation requirements set forth by the NFPA 70 to legally operate in any state. If you own a home would you want anyone installing anything on it that wasn't listed, or didn't have the proper license and insurance, so you would have a legal recourse if they burned your house down?

Currently building a house and this is one regulation for "the good of the people".

Shyt would be burning down left and right,,,,,

[tharock220]

The problem with the current definition is that the crony capitalists have coopted the word capitalism. Fundamentally, capitalism is simply the private exchange of capital for goods and services, capital being anything of value, be it labor or the fruits of labor. Many people think we live in a capitalist society when it is actually crony capitalism, where the rules of the road are written by the powerful to keep the powerless from getting a leg up. The prime example of this is "deregulation" in recent years that yields more regs, which benefit the monied.

I agree with this. I disagree with Cannon's definitions of capitalism and free enterprise.

[Fuelman]

Of all the thousands of regulations, why did CP pick this one????

[greatnpowerfuloz]

This statement is not going to make your side happy at all. They love excessive regulations and hate free enterprise economy. I commend you for seeing the light finally, but be prepared for the libs to attack you something fierce.

Liberals are fully behind a free enterprise economy vs the crony capitalist system we have now, and always have been. They know the difference between an economy operating and supporting itself at the local level and one being controlled and manipulated from the top down. It's right wing corporate Wall St bootlickers and government nanny staters who support the Capitalist/Fed machine and keep it running.

Most of the bootlickers here wear a conservative label.

Welcome to the liberal side.

[Vegas]

Liberals are fully behind a free enterprise economy and always have been. They know the difference between an economy operating at the local level and one being controlled from the top down. It's right wing corporate Wall St bootlickers and government nanny staters who support the Capitalist/Fed machine and keep it running.

Most of them here called themselves conservatives.

Welcome to the liberal side.

You're a liar!! The left push socialism on everyone. Socialism is the complete antithesis of free market eterprise. You want the gov in control, not the individual. Why do you lie so much?

[shintao]

You're a liar!! The left push socialism on everyone. Socialism is the complete antithesis of free market eterprise. You want the gov in control, not the individual. Why do you lie so much?

Free market enterprise is a **** joke, and a myth. Its like a pipe dream of dreamers and lunatic ramblings. Orson Wells might have that in a book somewhere.

[Vegas]

Free market enterprise is a **** joke, and a myth. Its like a pipe dream of dreamers and lunatic ramblings. Orson Wells might have that in a book somewhere.

Thanks for proving my point that libs are communist pigs.

[greatnpowerfuloz]

Hi, I'm skews13, a jack of all trades. I've got this fancy new fangled item I would like to install on your house. I don't have a license or insurance, and I can't vouch for the quality of materials this contraption is made out of, but I'll do a real good job for ye at a fair price. We don't need no stikin' govmint regerlations. And don't wurry bout' no stinkin' purmit. The govmint don't need to know about it. And if a littl' fire happns' to break out, just tell the surnce' company ta mind their bisnes and writhe the check. It's bout' liberty I tell ya.

How much input does the average American have in reviewing and questioning regulations? There are some that have been in effect for years and provide a layer of safety for the American public. There are other regulations that have been added over the years, touting some safety measure, complete with a proprietary product or material, which only benefits the top players in the industries who have had a hand in writing them, shutting out smaller enterprises who might like to compete.

I believe these are the main type of regulations that are under fire here. You would have to believe that everything listed is listed solely for its public benefit. You would be naive to think this.

I see no greater indication of collusion than CP's $14,000 solar panel example.

[Cannonpointer]

The short answer is no. You cannot negate state and local laws, or the installation requirements set forth by the NFPA 70 to legally operate in any state. If you own a home would you want anyone installing anything on it that wasn't listed, or didn't have the proper license and insurance, so you would have a legal recourse if they burned your house down?

No, I don't want to play pin the tail on the monkey with electrical work.

Nor do I want a legitimate public interest to be used as cover to rape me on solar panels. Without the corruption of which I speak, solar panels would cost 500 bucks instead of 12-14 thousand. EVERYONE would have them.

[Cannonpointer]

This statement is not going to make your side happy at all. They love excessive regulations and hate free enterprise economy. I commend you for seeing the light finally, but be prepared for the libs to attack you something fierce.

You and I are not comrades in arms, nanny stater. You think bill gates is practicing free enterprise.

[Cannonpointer]

Meanwhile back at the ranch, capitalism funded a great offshore trip to the Ram Powell rigs yesterday and about 40lbs of tuna steaks resting in the freezer. About 300 gals of diesel including generator and figure another 200 for beer, bait, ice, drinks and incidentals.

No it didn't. Read an OP from time to time.

Like to see MW and a gov't program do that.

Is that why you're such a fan of the regulations shutting you down, big government boy?

[Cannonpointer]

Leave it up to libturds like Skrews Loose, to show their true colors when it comes too being green, and or living a green lifestyle. They don't approve unless their nanny government approves. Who will never approve, because they are controlled by the big energy monopolies.

Other than you slander against poor, innocent skrews, I agree.

[Cannonpointer]

Spot on. This country is anti free enterprise. There are still things one can do of course but it isn't as simple as it
once was. And if you get too big at any of these, Nazi's will show up and shut you down.

This one has eyes. Prepare for the "conservatives" to attack you, sir.

[Cannonpointer]

This doesn't make any sense Cannon. In all seriousness, you're blaming a public institution for controlling the ability of the economy to produce something. That isn't Capitalism. I agree with what you're saying, but I don't agree with you definition.

I'll tell you this though, a friend of my Dad's owns a number of car-washes around Houston. He hired a book-keeper to take care of his finances several years back, and at one point a couple years ago that book-keeper made a mistake that had tax implications. The guy wound up having to pay penalties. Here's the thing though, if the guy had hired a CPA then my Dad's friend wouldn't have been on the hook for the mistake and the CPA would have, and that's exactly what he uses.

Is it not insane that government gives a subgroup of what are essentially accountants this special power so that they can charge more???

I don't have an issue with licensed contractors being paid more to shoulder more liability - it makes perfect sense, IF we agree to the IRS in the first place - which we don't.

But yes, it IS CAPITALISM, not free enterprise.

Please reassure me, forthwith, that you have the intellect to distinguish between an economy which relies for its funding on a veritable priesthood class which has access to billions in anonymous cash, and an economy funded by risk takers who steward their OWN resources. Please reassure me that you know the difference between a game with a bar against entrance for the common man, and a game where all are welcome to play, provided they bring their own helmet?

[Vegas]

You and I are not comrades in arms, nanny stater. You think bill gates is practicing free enterprise.

and where did I say that?

[greatnpowerfuloz]

Thanks for proving my point that libs are communist pigs.

Come on, shin. How do think the US operated before regulations were created to benefit the industrialists?

Before Reagan and the Walmart effect, local communities, independent banks and small businesses within that community were in many ways, still operating in a free "as possible' enterprise environment. At least it was the closest thing to it in recent memory.

It may be a pipe dream, but it's not a myth. And no free enterprise within a civilized society comprised of millions of people with ever be totally free, with no regulations.

What isn't a pipe dream is the demand for an end to Fed and state regulations which have crippled the ability of local economies to be autonomous. In Virginia, farmers are prohibited by law to sell their meat, produce and dairy directly to the public. They are forced to sell to large food conglomerates at a fraction of what their goods are worth.

[Cannonpointer]

The problem with the current definition is that the crony capitalists have coopted the word capitalism.

This is a mistake.

Capitalism is a system where CAPITAL makes the rules, and all of the emphasis and power are focused on CAPITAL.

Free Enterprise is a system which rewards ENTERPRISE, not capital, and participants need no special license, no imprimatur of entrance, no friends in high places - just an idea, some energy, and as much money as market implementation of that idea requires.

WE DON'T HAVE A CRONY CAPITALISM PROBLEM. WE HAVE A CAPITALISM PROBLEM. The solution is free enterprise - what the founders implemented when they overthrew the British East India Company.

Fundamentally, capitalism is simply the private exchange of capital for goods and services, capital being anything of value, be it labor or the fruits of labor. Many people think we live in a capitalist society when it is actually crony capitalism, where the rules of the road are written by the powerful to keep the powerless from getting a leg up. The prime example of this is "deregulation" in recent years that yields more regs, which benefit the monied.

Mo, we live in a capitalist society. Capitalism is what it is, and pretending that your abuser's problem is curable - that he's ACTUALLY a "good guy" who just needs therapy - is not the solution. Nuking Wall Street to rescue Main Street is the solution.

[Cannonpointer]

?? Sure, the coal industry has the EPA right where they want them??

If you see the Nature Nazi's as a corporation, then I might buy that,,,,,,

The greenies who use the courts to make nuclear too expensive to build work for big coal. Welcome to the scary world of adults, kid.

[greatnpowerfuloz]

You're a liar!! The left push socialism on everyone. Socialism is the complete antithesis of free market eterprise. You want the gov in control, not the individual. Why do you lie so much?

I'm a liar, huh. I am if you listen to Rush, Sean Hannity and the rest of the corporate controlled media. They invest in you believing such nonsense and you pay out big dividends, sparky.

I'm not a grand national socialist - though I do believe in it at the community level - Tribes take care of each other. Call it socialism if you like. Communities would go back to taking care of their own, if allowed to do so.